VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Silver_Crow117]

He said he didn't trust her. That's from a players perspective, and from that perspective, I stand by what I said. Unlike every other sister, she is not actively lying to you (Olivia and Veronica), nor is she actively withholding information from you (Olivia, Alessa, Veronica), nor is she actively trying to sabotage you (Alessa, Jules and possibly Olivia) or play games with you (Alessa, Jules)...should I continue?

This coincidentally, stands for both routes but especially on the DomPath (which is what he is playing so nothing to do with the SubPath).

I’m not discounting that she’s trustworthy like I said before, it’s the nature of who she is… which isn’t as straightforward of a character… unlike most characters, she’s actively trying to portray herself one way to others than what she shows herself specifically towards Kane…

And ofc she is actively holding information/which can pretty much be lying to Kane.. the Existence of his father… furthermore, when Cole cut off coms to Dominique, she took out her anger out on sub Kane , because she can’t get the father… so what for she do? She can punish his son… obv it’s from the sub pov but the conditions are kinda f up that she related her anger towards Kane.. how does this relate? Because this is the first time for sub Kane how expressively sadistic she’s been towards Kane… (once again… read what Delilah says…) and if you wanna be honest, Juliette is the straightest arrow for being how brutally honest with how true she is to what she is… she accepts herself and is outwardly putting herself out there of who she is…

She’s also is playing games with Kane with if you accept Her favor or not, she might sabotage you if you don’t do whatever that favor is… Should I continue? Cuz clearly me and The_Man_With_No_Name can agree on this

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Cuz clearly me and The_Man_With_No_Name can agree on this

I don't know. We don't disagree all the time. We mostly disagree on preferences. But then again my preferences are all over the place. Though it is interesting since Mav and I agree more often than not. . Silver, I mentioned it before but Is Anais making it a tradition for the girl given everything to be named Olivia. Or working the "I have the same name and have brown hair and blue eyes like her too people expect a lot from me."

 

[Maviarab]

Juliette is the straightest arrow. She hides absolutely nothing from Kane. In fairness though you are right that she at times works against you , or at least refuses to help you.

Not just her nature, Dominique hides Cole from everyone because its in her interest to do so. Something I'm sure Kane would like to know. So no not the straightest arrow.

Is that the best you have? Really?

While we are under the impression, I don't recall it is ever explicitly stated (happy to be corrected)..in game, that Dom knows Cole is Kanes father. The only person 'at the time' who knew, was Alexander, Callista and Elana. We do not yet know exactly how old Dominique was when Veronica and Olivia were born so difficult to ascertain or know if she found out before others). On the SecretSub path...Stefan tells Kane that all the sisters know that Cole is his father (but this is only in 8.2).

Now, bear in mind, this is largely useless and irelevant information to Kane, he's never met him, doesn't know who he is....or anything else and has never even heard the name before. So all you have is, Dominique is keeping the fact he is alive secret. Even if she told Kane...what? However, hehehe, Olivia, Veronica, Alessandra, Yvette (and Astrid though we'll not count her at the moment) and others all know Calista...is alive and well. His own godamn mother. That's just one secret (not even going to bother mentioning every single point I brought up before and who does them). I'll also just throw in that Veronica kept steralising Kane not only from him, but everyone else.

So in reality, even Dominique is more honest to Kane than his own damn mother is.....as for Jules being who she is, have I not already stated/said that cruelty has nothing to do with trustworthyness towards Kane? All the sisters bar Olivia (and nearly all the damn staff) are in the same boat here so you can't use that as a positive for her.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Is that the best you have? Really?

While we are under the impression, I don't recall it is ever explicitly stated (happy to be corrected)..in game, that Dom knows Cole is Kanes father. The only person 'at the time' who knew, was Alexander, Callista and Elana. We do not yet know exactly how old Dominique was when Veronica and Olivia were born. On the SecretSub path...Stefan tells Kane that all the sisters know that Cole is his father.

NOw, bear in mind, this is largely useless and irelvant information to Kane, he's never met him, doesn't know who he is....or anything else. So all you have is, Dominique is keeping the fact he is alive secret. Even if she told Kane...what? However, hehehe, Olicia, Veronica, Alessandra, Yvette (and Astrid though we'll not count her at the moment) all know Calista...is alive and well. His own godamn mother.

So in reality, even Dominique is more honest to Kane than his own damn mother is.....as for Jules being who she is, have I not already stated/said that cruelty has nothing to do with trustworthyness towards Kane? All the sisters bar Olivia (and nearly all the damn staff) are in the same boat here.

She knows he is a DeKock. They all know. I'm sure they don't think Cynthia and Calista conceived him somehow. I don't even know what your getting at in your first bit. Why does it matter if we are told early on that Dom knows? She knows. The whole time.
During Sub scenes she even almost accidently let it slip.

And its not just hiding Cole from Kane, because telling him would break the rules of the Gambit, she hides it from EVERYONE. Even Veronica her science project partner. Not trustworthy.

Again, what is Juliette's deception that makes her less trustworthy than Dominique?

 

[Maviarab]

she hides it from EVERYONE.

And again, what has her keeping secrets from other people got to do with her trustworthyness towards Kane? Everyone is keeping secrets from each other (like btw Kane, your mum didn't die in a helicopter crash, she faked her death and has been keeping shit from you for the last 21 years). So if everyone is doing the same shit...you can't use that as a negative against her alone.

I'll ask again..at this point, knowing his father is alive does what for him exactly? Kane knows literally nothing about the man. I'll also remind you, at this point, he doesn't even know his father is alive, all he knows is his name because Callista has never said jack shit about who is father is.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

And again, what has her keeping secrets from other people got to do with Kane? Everyone is keeping secrets from each other.

She is less trustworthy than Juliette therefore not the straightest arrow. Yes Juliette is less advantageous to Kane, but she is more trustworthy. I will ask again, where is her deception outside of rules of the Gambit where she has to lie? Name one. Dominique hides her nature and hides a rival family member from her family just to start.

 

[Maviarab]

She is less trustworthy than Juliette therefore not the straightest arrow. Yes Juliette is less advantageous to Kane, but she is more trustworthy. I will ask again, where is her deception outside of rules of the Gambit where she has to lie? Name one. Dominique hides her nature and hides a rival family member from her family just to start.

FFS...I'm sure you're doing it on purpose:

Dominique is probably one of the straightest arrows and most trustworthy. (which isn't a high bar admittedly lol)

she is not actively lying to you (Olivia and Veronica), nor is she actively withholding information from you (Olivia, Alessa, Veronica), nor is she actively trying to sabotage you (Alessa, Jules and possibly Olivia) or play games with you (Alessa, Jules)...should I continue?

Did I state Dominique IS the straightest? Did I? Did I state Jules lies? Read again what I wrote. And if you need me to explain exactly what I highlighted...I'll stick my head in the microwave, or maybe I won't, some users here might actually like that.

I'm done with this, pointless continuing.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I don't know. We don't disagree all the time. We mostly disagree on preferences. But then again my preferences are all over the place. Though it is interesting since Mav and I agree more often than not. . Silver, I mentioned it before but Is Anais making it a tradition for the girl given everything to be named Olivia. Or working the "I have the same name and have brown hair and blue eyes like her too people expect a lot from me."

No but you can expect some characters to have green eyes and red hair heh

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

FFS...I'm sure you're doing it on purpose:

Did I state Jules lies? Read again what I wrote.

Is funny you say that....out of all the people there, Dominique is probably one of the straightest arrows and most trustworthy. (which isn't a high bar admittedly lol)....

You: Dom Straightest arrow.
Me: Juliette is straighter than Dom.
You: NO.
Me: Why not?

You: Rage quit.

To be fair you did say ONE of the straightest so I guess we have no dispute.

 

[Maviarab]

You: Dom Straightest arrow.
Me: Juliette is straighter than Dom.
You: NO.
Me: Why not?

You: Rage quit.
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And now you've also proven you either can't read...or can't comprehend simple structured sentences.

Night.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

And now you've also proven you either can't read...or can't comprehend simple structured sentences.

Night.

I have until now always understood you ,If the thread and I misunderstood this time fine, but I'm not the only one.

Have a good rest of your night brother.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

No but you can expect some characters to have green eyes and red hair heh

Olivia DeClaire? Brown hair blue eyes? Prominent family? Hmmm

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Is funny you say that....out of all the people there, Dominique is probably one of the straightest arrows and most trustworthy. (which isn't a high bar admittedly lol)....

Time to gaslight you a little bit, Mav) I think she's one of the least trustworthy characters in the game - she keeps secrets not just from Kane, but from Cole as well. Not to mention her 'Dark side'. Her motives may be good, but a lie is a lie nonetheless. I suppose she's a less evil Veronica, in that sense.

With people like my girls Jules and Sam, you know exactly who they are from the first encounter. Now they are the straight arrows who wear their admittedly black hearts on their sleeves, so to speak. And if they lie, it's only to the victim, err, willing participant of their games and with an explicit goal of enchancing the experience for everyone involved. And that's why we love them!

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Time to gaslight you a little bit, Mav) I think she's one of the least trustworthy characters in the game - she keeps secrets not just from Kane, but from Cole as well. Not to mention her 'Dark side'. Her motives may be good, but a lie is a lie nonetheless. I suppose she's a less evil Veronica, in that sense.

With people like my girls Jules and Sam, you know exactly who they are from the first encounter. Now they are the straight arrows who wear their admittedly black hearts on their sleeves, so to speak. And if they lie, it's only to the victim, err, willing participant of their games and with an explicit goal of enchancing the experience for everyone involved. And that's why we love them!

He confused me by starting off saying "one of" then pivoted to saying

I'll add, again, knowing all the paths and nuances, she is still the straightest arrow shooter on the island, especially when it comes to Kane. Even our beloved red haired angel (as strongly suggested/hinted at by Tess) will throw us to the wolves to save her ass. Well, Dominique is one of the wolves...and she still straight with us. Unlike every other sister.

Then at the end he went back to the first thing he said.

I apologized to him if their was a misunderstanding and really meant the first thing and not the second. But We'll see if I'm blocked today. He was pretty pissed.

 

[Stan5851]

Truth be told, the straightest arrow is Alessandra. All just jealous of her in that she's just floating along, sweetly and harmlessly enjoying the perks of her position and taking her modest hedonistic pleasure while all those evil sisters fight each other..

Look how sweet she was to Olivia when they first met? Look at what a luxurious gift she gave Dom Kane by agreeing to be his personal sex toy buddy for him to have fun with? Besides, we have a proven scientific fact that says she's an innocent green-eyed angel just incapable of lying.That's it, case closed.

 

[Maviarab]

Also, in Episode 4, who is Luke in the flashback?

Sorry, missed this and noticed no one replied to this:

Currently it is unknown, however, comparing all the renders of Callista she is young. My theory is that 'Luke' is the son that Alexander wanted with Callista and whatever accident transpired...he was lost...and that this moment...is/was the moment that sent Alexander down the dark path that he went.

I apologized to him if their was a misunderstanding and really meant the first thing and not the second. But We'll see if I'm blocked today. He was pretty pissed.

We're all good, no worries.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

By the way, I don't know if its relevant, but here are the notes Silver and I were talking about yesterday for Anais's thing.

 

[Stan5851]

Everyone is keeping secrets from each other (like btw Kane, your mum didn't die in a helicopter crash, she faked her death and has been keeping shit from you for the last 21 years).

I don't want to reignite this argument again, some things I agree with, some things I don't. For example, I don't think Olivia has lied to Dom Kane in any way (she may be withholding some information as part of "Olivia's agent" theory, but even so, I'm sure Liv did/does not do it out of malice). Of course, I'm talking about good Olivia first of all, as I'm deeply convinced that her canon personality (if I may say so) is exactly good, which is confirmed by all kinds of flashbacks that were shown to us in season 1.

About the fact that the information about Cole is useless for Kane, here I agree, it really doesn't give him anything, besides, nobody canceled Gambit's rules and all the sisters (except Veronica, who stands above Gambit, but who, however (at least in terms of giving information to Kane, still adheres to the rules)), are forced to comply, giving Kane key information smoothly and gradually, probably coordinating it with each other.

The one thing that is glaring and that I'd like to point out (perhaps you've misspoken) is that there's no way Callista could have kept her fake death from Kane for 21 years, since she raised him for most of his conscious life, and we have a flashback from 0.8.2, in which the adult Kane communicates with the living Callista...And the fake death of Callista itself was organized less than 3 years (we don't know the exact date of this) before the game events began (Game day 01, in the prison).

 

[Maviarab]

The one thing that is glaring and that I'd like to point out (perhaps you've misspoken) is that there's no way Callista could have kept her fake death from Kane for 21 years, since she raised him for most of his conscious life, and we have a flashback from 0.8.2, in which the adult Kane communicates with the living Callista...And the fake death of Callista itself was organized less than 3 years (we don't know the exact date of this) before the game events began (Game day 01, in the prison).

I said she been lying, misleading and witholding information from Kane for 21 years (as has Olivia...or did she tell the truth of where she was/what she has been doing). Seeing Callista at the water temple happens just before seeing Olivia at the mesopotamian temple (where conveniently, she also tells Kane a mistruth...lol).

Timeline on when Callista left Olivia on the helicopter with Otto is unsure, but I still believe this happened right after Alexander's death was made public. So she faked her death and led her own son to believe she was dead for 6 months. That she faked her death is fact and that Kane is blissfully unaware mommy is walking around the facility is also fact now (in my mind, given the dialogue of 8.2 where previously I thought Kane may have known given the conversation with Alessandra before going to the yacht with her and Dominique).

This all started...and even from other people, the only..single...thing...anyone...here has on Dom is that she is keeping Cole being alive (and subsequently is whereabouts) a secret. That's only...single...thing...anyone has on her to say she isn't trustworthy (towards Kane...not anyone else...forget her cruelty...this started as her being untrustworthy to a player...so Kane in this instance). The only thing anyone has on her....which is a weak counter argument given the shit everyone else has been/ is doing don't you think?

So on this hill I will die with my very original comment.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Timeline on when Callista left Olivia on the helicopter with Otto is unsure, but I still believe this happened right after Alexander's death was made public. So she faked her death and led her own son to believe she was dead for 6 months. That she faked her death is fact and that Kane is blissfully unaware mommy is walking around the facility is also fact now (in my mind, given the dialogue of 8.2 where previously I thought Kane may have known given the conversation with Alessandra before going to the yacht with her and Dominique).

Agreed. Calista's conversation seems to be implying events that are to come soon(now that Alex is dead and the Gambit started "they will come soon rest assured") and that Olivia needs to be ready. Which Olivia reassures her.

Of course we all know the one we can trust the most and is the most useful to Kane is Amy. Not a hint of deception and very useful in errr... situations.
Though I am concerned about Alessandra's plans for her on S-sub. That face isn't reassuring...