VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

It's because Kane can be killed immediately inside his body (only Callista and another person know this) so she needs to ensure this is resolved first. She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away.

Hmm, it doesn't seem to be Alexander at all, since he knows full well that Callista was alive and raising Kane and Liv all those years...Well, things just got even more confusing.

 

[kinkyshin]

Well, that makes sense. Maybe Nadia knows about the "bomb" too (whatever it is) and is trying to help Kane somehow...Yeah, I remember those words from Yvette (dialog when Kane was talking to her and Astrid), but they didn't provide any clarity. Based on Tess' response quoted above, it appears as follows:

The bomb inside Kane is still some sort of remote access device(?) that could stop Kane's life instantly. If that's the case, it could be one of the few things V hasn't been able to hack into, which Alexander promised to give her access to if she fulfills his last request for a meeting with (insert the right name, mine is Liv).

So, then perhaps Kane's life could be in the hands of Veronica, who is not noted for her hasty decisions and impulsive actions. If so, Kane's life is safe for the moment. I dont know how Yvette could even know about this "bomb" if Tess mentions that only Callista and one other person knows about it (probably Alexander). So most likely Veronica could have told Yvette about it..And the worst case scenario is if this "bomb" is not under V control, but I honestly can't imagine that.

Err, it's definitely not Veronica if that's what you meant.

It's because Kane can be killed immediately inside his body (only Callista and another person know this) so she needs to ensure this is resolved first. She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away.

Hmm, it doesn't seem to be Alexander at all, since he knows full well that Callista was alive and raising Kane and Liv all those years...Well, things just got even more confusing.

Looks like a lot of people know at this point lol. Callista, Nadia, Otto, Kiyomi, Cole, and Yvette all seem to know. Perhaps Elena too since Callista told her that she would explain to her why she did the things the way she did... which would be impossible without telling this information, as it was critical to her decisions.

I'm very confident that the 7th board member could only be Astrid or a character that hasn't been introduced yet. If it's the latter, perhaps that's the person with the power to delete Kane/Callista. I'm also wondering if either Juliette or Alessandra has a mother that's still around. Alexander did warn Olivia that his former lovers will scheme until their dying breath. So far we've only seen 3 of his former lovers and 2 of them are completely on Olivia's side lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Err, it's definitely not Veronica if that's what you meant.



Looks like a lot of people know at this point lol. Callista, Nadia, Otto, Kiyomi, Cole, and Yvette all seem to know. Perhaps Elena too since Callista told her that she would explain to her why she did the things the way she did... which would be impossible without telling this information, as it was critical to her decisions.

I'm very confident that the 7th board member could only be Astrid or a character that hasn't been introduced yet. If it's the latter, perhaps that's the person with the power to delete Kane/Callista. I'm also wondering if either Juliette or Alessandra has a mother that's still around. Alexander did warn Olivia that his former lovers will scheme until their dying breath. So far we've only seen 3 of his former lovers and 2 of them are completely on Olivia's side lol.

Well, if things get really bad and this mysterious(?) malcontent gets in our way, I hope V has an analog of a Faraday cage or some sort of completely shielded from waves and electromagnetic fields bunker to isolate Kane and extract this "bomb".We have a few geniuses (Veronica, Astrid, Callista, Cole) so surely there must be specialists with the appropriate competence in minimally invasive surgery.

About the 7th board member, yeah, I'm sticking to that same theory (either Astrid or someone we haven't been shown yet).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Except this particular male descent has a genetic disease that will have him crippled until he dies at a relatively young age. Not exactly the 'perfect' child he was looking for.

I feel like the same veronica that can determine the sex of a child before they're born can probably remove any defects from Seth's sperm if it came to that.

So now two new theories possibly come to light.
Whether or not Callista was trying to save Seth?
Possible, but helping Seth helps Astrid; I don't see why Callista would have to use her other son to save him.

Who is this mysterious person who doesn't know Callista is alive, or they'd kill Kane?
By process of elimination, we can probably figure it out. We can remove anybody not on the board. Dekocks wouldn't do it they'd be killing their power source. Claudia would be interesting, but that's not how she operates, and nobody else is big enough to have access to something like that in the game.
Let's now eliminate the board members. Elena and Veronica both know Callista is alive, since she has told them herself. Yvette is all about the revolution and keeping her daughters after. Juliette and Dom want to be the head of the company, and killing Kane is detrimental to that. This leaves two options: our mysterious seventh member or Alessandra. Until we find out the seventh member, I'll tentatively consider Alessandra. Callista didn't reveal herself to Alessandra when she could've easily done so near the beginning. Her father, at the beginning, told her she could kill him. She fits well. Especially if it comes out that Veronica worked with Callista to kill Alexander ( that's a theory for another day).

 

[Ricthequick]

Well, if things get really bad and this mysterious(?) malcontent gets in our way, I hope V has an analog of a Faraday cage or some sort of completely shielded from waves and electromagnetic fields bunker to isolate Kane and extract this "bomb".We have a few geniuses (Veronica, Astrid, Callista, Cole) so surely there must be specialists with the appropriate competence in minimally invasive surgery.

About the 7th board member, yeah, I'm sticking to that same theory (either Astrid or someone we haven't been shown yet).

I hope I didn't start a red herring chase to the "bomb" or whatever by sharing that message I got on Patreon.
All I can add is that back then I was on my 2nd playrthough, with a very dumb Kane, and while I was expressing my overall compliments for the VN I was pointing out how the 2 scenes at the begiining of that chapter:

• Kane + Callista = Flashback in the undergrownd lake
• Elena + Callista = on the hanging bridge

were imo working with a dominant (or at least partially sucessfull) Kane, one who's not suffering too much, but were giving me a whiplash effect with a submissive Kane who was suffering like hell (I think it was provisional K1, I was trying my best to fail at everything haha).

Why would a loving mother, by then fully aware of how badly her son is faring not do anything more urgently to save him?
She clearly could waltz in the Karlsson institute, and not only that, but also inside of Veronica's sancta sanctorum, what would stop her from helping him?

The answer is the one I got in that screenshot.

 

[kinkyshin]

Claudia would be interesting, but that's not how she operates, and nobody else is big enough to have access to something like that in the game.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

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Claudia tortures, she doesn't kill right away. Look at what she's doing to her husband

 

[jadepaladin]

Claudia tortures, she doesn't kill right away. Look at what she's doing to her husband

Am I missing something? Claudia doesn't have a husband. Phoebe is the one with the husband.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Am I missing something? Claudia doesn't have a husband. Phoebe is the one with the husband.

I fucked up and got too confident and didn't refer to the chart, I def meant phoebe. The twins have other priorities, they'd def be eliminated anyway.

 

[jadepaladin]

I fucked up and got too confident and didn't refer to the chart, I def meant phoebe. The twins have other priorities, they'd def be eliminated anyway.

If Claudia wants a husband, I guess I can volunteer.

 

[Hazardgaming]

You’re all overlooking the obvious answer. Callista has a second personality called the Gambit Queen

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

If Claudia wants a husband, I guess I can volunteer.

You gonna be at the ceremony pull off the veil and it will be Celeste, the twins done fucked around and pulled twin magic on you

 

[Bloker997]

You gonna be at the ceremony pull off the veil and it will be Celeste, the twins done fucked around and pulled twin magic on you

that's not a problem, i can take care of both of them.

 

[Ricthequick]

that's not a problem, i can take care of both of them.

Was about to say the same, both as a sub and as a dom tbh.

 

[Stan5851]

I hope I didn't start a red herring chase to the "bomb" or whatever by sharing that message I got on Patreon.
All I can add is that back then I was on my 2nd playrthough, with a very dumb Kane, and while I was expressing my overall compliments for the VN I was pointing out how the 2 scenes at the begiining of that chapter:

• Kane + Callista = Flashback in the undergrownd lake
• Elena + Callista = on the hanging bridge

were imo working with a dominant (or at least partially sucessfull) Kane, one who's not suffering too much, but were giving me a whiplash effect with a submissive Kane who was suffering like hell (I think it was provisional K1, I was trying my best to fail at everything haha).

Why would a loving mother, by then fully aware of how badly her son is faring not do anything more urgently to save him?
She clearly could waltz in the Karlsson institute, and not only that, but also inside of Veronica's sancta sanctorum, what would stop her from helping him?

The answer is the one I got in that screenshot.

Thank you for your detailed response. I always knew that Callista was not to blame for what happened to sub Kane. You know, we've had arguments more than once where I have defended Callista and some other thread oldtimers, on the contrary, have accused her of all the deadly sins...You know, something like this..."and where the hell was that loving mother who didn't want to take care of poor suffering slave Kane?".Yeah she's just "mother of the year" and that sort of thing in a sarcastic way.

There was always a legitimate argument on my part (as a player playing only the Dom route) that Callista had given Kane enough care and tutelage to allow him to succeed among these sharks, reaching K9 rank in a week and gaining brilliant prospects for the future.

Well, now, thanks to the context of your question you asked Tess and her answer, I too, like you, know why Callista can't openly intervene and defend sub Kane. And yes, it explains a lot, including to those players who are offended by the completely unfair fate of sub Kane and the fact that Callista supposedly does nothing for him/doesn't do it openly.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

This thread lately:

 

[Ricthequick]

Thank you for your detailed response. I always knew that Callista was not to blame for what happened to sub Kane. You know, we've had arguments more than once where I have defended Callista and some other thread oldtimers, on the contrary, have accused her of all the deadly sins...

You know, something like this..."and where the hell was that loving mother who didn't want to take care of poor suffering slave Kane?".Yeah she's just "mother of the year" and that sort of thing in a sarcastic way...

There was always a legitimate argument on my part (as a player playing only the Dom route) that Callista had given Kane enough care and tutelage to allow him to succeed among these sharks, reaching K9 rank in a week and gaining brilliant prospects for the future.

Well, now, thanks to the context of your question you asked Tess and her answer, I too, like you, know why Callista can't openly intervene and defend sub Kane. And yes, it explains a lot, including to those players who are offended by the completely unfair fate of sub Kane and the fact that Callista supposedly does nothing for him.

I mean, starting from the premise that in a VN like this, is literally up to the player how much of a sub/dom Kane is, so yes whining about the mother not caring enough makes no sense.

Back then my point was more about subtlety, which I understand is pretty difficult to achieve when you have so many different paths, but if someone on their 1st playthrough (without WT) ends up being a very sub Kane... those 2 scenes are still a bit off imo.

It reminded me of personal experiences (smart and succesfull mother who doesn't show to care too much), so I over analyzed pretty much everything, because if we want to be honest Callista:

• Sends Olivia to learn martial arts, that doesn't apply to Kane.
• Teaches her how to be strong, teaches Kane... buh how to be gentle?
• Actually plots with Olivia what's to come (that scene with Otto is still a bit a mistery for me), tells absolutely nothing to him.

Now, if the player leads him down the harsh sub path, Kane is risking a lot and in that conversation with Elena, while admitting that Kane is her priority, still glazes about Olivia (yes even if Olivia is bad Olivia).
Then she enters Veronica's secret lab and in the whole conversation she glazes about Veronica and how she wants to have Olivia and Kane succeed... maybe she could be doing something more proactive?

The point being, nothing wrong in having Callista prefer Olivia, heck my mother to this day prefers my cousin to me, despite me being the one who relocated back across the pond to take care of her and also being the most successful of the 2, one can't do much about personal preferences, but that's not how Callista is presented.

That's what prompted Tess to give me the answer, which absolutely dispels most of my concerns, for sure about the present and lack of proactivity from Callista, still leaves me as bit perplexed about the past thou.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

The point being, nothing wrong in having Callista prefer Olivia, heck my mother to this day prefers my cousin to me, despite me being the one who relocated back across the pond to take care of her and also being the most successful of the 2, one can't do much about personal preferences, but that's not how Callista is presented.

Yea, if anything, one of the talks between olivia and Kane indicate that Callista favors Kane.

Im still stuck on why she'd trade Kane's safety for Seth. There better be a helluva reason for that.

 

[Ricthequick]

Yea, if anything, one of the talks between olivia and Kane indicate that Callista favors Kane.

Im still stuck on why she'd trade Kane's safety for Seth. There better be a helluva reason for that.

Does she really thou? In Karlssons Gambit's world being unprepared is recipie for disaster, which is even more likely to happen if you are a male.
(you can also ingore me, I'm just typing here what I was wondering haha)

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Does she really thou? In Karlssons Gambit's world being unprepared is recipie for disaster, which is even more likely to happen if you are a male.
(you can also ingore me, I'm just typing here what I was wondering haha)

The best she could do for Kane in terms of the gambit is ensure that her and kane grew up close. Well either that or raise him as a snob that hates poor people but I doubt shed do that