VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Three questions:
1) if otto is super loyal to callista as he claims, why he is planning revolution with kiyomi? Because callista plan is to break the wall between decocks & karlsons and make even more big kingdom and free trade.

2) is Cynthia actually a good person or a bad person? Because, we all know she killed a slave brutally and asked Delilah to clean the mess. And also suspicious to the MC and somehow fears that stefan is in a threat for succession to the throne of decock. And when she meets MC, her behavior sounded somewhat negative (particularly in sub path if you are k1pro, she actually criticizes callista's decision to put him under training but he is not nothing but a slave) now close to getting killed. She haven't talked with him like for say how nadia Or stefan talks with MC. Decock cousins are the best, I can even see some bromance going on with stefan. But, cynthia is kind of a grey character and she all of a sudden helps callista to meet cole by driving plane?

3) Does callista really cares for son's struggles? I think callista just see her son as a person to survive and serve for emperor olivia as her sperm donor. As last he is only useful for cum collection (do you remember Dominique's plan?). She don't have great plans for her son except what I told you above. But thanks for dom paths, I'm very sure MC can write his own history and throw gambit plan into the trashcan.

1. Callista's ultimate aim is a better future for the world so her son can have a better future. The only thing we can say for sure about the revolution is that they want to end slavery. How large scale any social changes will be outside of that is up for debate. Otto wants a better future and thinks that ending slavery is vital to that. Callista may not like slavery either, but there are other larger issues higher on her list of world problems to deal with.

2. Depends on what you mean by "good person". She gets frustrated with people and disposes of them like they are rotten meat. But this doesn't mean she doesn't care about people like Cole and since she was an old friend of Callista and of course Kane's Decock ties she takes interest in what Kane is up to. Going by our standards in this world, only a small handful of people are "good" in this game.
...So no not really good.

3.She does care about Kane but she didn't see a way for him to have a shot at a better future in a world that isn't doomed without the program. Remember, the world is dying at the moment.

To me, the fact that Callista comes up all the time especially for things about Kane just shows how much of a problem things about her story are. But unfortunately she is central to the plot so everything revolves around her.

 

[harsha_26]

Is liking Veronica a controversial take? She's splendid.
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No man, she is one of my fav. But yeah, as stacy. Not as veronica.

 

[harsha_26]

1. Callista's ultimate aim is a better future for the world so her son can have a better future. The only thing we can say for sure about the revolution is that they want to end slavery. How large scale any social changes will be outside of that is up for debate. Otto wants a better future and thinks that ending slavery is vital to that. Callista may not like slavery either, but there are other larger issues higher on her list of world problems to deal with.

2. Depends on what you mean by "good person". She gets frustrated with people and disposes of them like they are rotten meat. But this doesn't mean she doesn't care about people like Cole and since she was an old friend of Callista and of course Kane's Decock ties she takes interest in what Kane is up to. Going by our standards in this world, only a small handful of people are "good" in this game.
...So no not really good.

3.She does care about Kane but she didn't see a way for him to have a shot at a better future in a world that isn't doomed without the program. Remember, the world is dying at the moment.

To me, the fact that Callista comes up all the time especially for things about Kane just shows how much of a problem things about her story are. But unfortunately she is central to the plot so everything revolves around her.

Yeah callista is the most overhyped
"putting on a pedestal" character who can never be wrong about anything.

Gambit Queen lol.. More like a Dumbwit Queen..

 

[minibaer12]

Three questions:
1) if otto is super loyal to callista as he claims, why he is planning revolution with kiyomi? Because callista plan is to break the wall between decocks & karlsons and make even more big kingdom and free trade.

2) is Cynthia actually a good person or a bad person? Because, we all know she killed a slave brutally and asked Delilah to clean the mess. And also suspicious to the MC and somehow fears that stefan is in a threat for succession to the throne of decock. And when she meets MC, her behavior sounded somewhat negative (particularly in sub path if you are k1pro, she actually criticizes callista's decision to put him under training but he is not nothing but a slave) now close to getting killed. She haven't talked with him like for say how nadia Or stefan talks with MC. Decock cousins are the best, I can even see some bromance going on with stefan. But, cynthia is kind of a grey character and she all of a sudden helps callista to meet cole by driving plane?

3) Does callista really cares for son's struggles? I think callista just see her son as a person to survive and serve for emperor olivia as her sperm donor. As last he is only useful for cum collection (do you remember Dominique's plan?). She don't have great plans for her son except what I told you above. But thanks for dom paths, I'm very sure MC can write his own history and throw gambit plan into the trashcan.

1. Callista's ultimate aim is a better future for the world so her son can have a better future. The only thing we can say for sure about the revolution is that they want to end slavery. How large scale any social changes will be outside of that is up for debate. Otto wants a better future and thinks that ending slavery is vital to that. Callista may not like slavery either, but there are other larger issues higher on her list of world problems to deal with.

2. Depends on what you mean by "good person". She gets frustrated with people and disposes of them like they are rotten meat. But this doesn't mean she doesn't care about people like Cole and since she was an old friend of Callista and of course Kane's Decock ties she takes interest in what Kane is up to. Going by our standards in this world, only a small handful of people are "good" in this game.
...So no not really good.

3.She does care about Kane but she didn't see a way for him to have a shot at a better future in a world that isn't doomed without the program. Remember, the world is dying at the moment.

To me, the fact that Callista comes up all the time especially for things about Kane just shows how much of a problem things about her story are. But unfortunately she is central to the plot so everything revolves around her.

Well, the question of which person is good and which person is bad can't be answered like that. We have to consider the world order in this VN; it is, after all, FEMALE-DOMINATED! World history has taught us that good can be bad and bad can be good. There are plenty of examples! And even our current world order is anything but equal. In this VN, men are merely slaves, eking out a miserable existence for the amusement of the ladies, at their mercy. The sub-path demonstrates this impressively (I believe, since I don't play it). Even the Dom path isn't spared from this (yes, I've changed my mind here). A few men are "granted" the opportunity to "pleasure" the ladies in other ways. There's no other explanation for V having Kane "optimized" his penis. This raises the question: is Kane dominant in the Dom path? I say not. I'm much more inclined to believe that the ladies WANT TO BE "submissive", or just WANT to be fucked hard!

Now let's move on to the two posts mentioned above:
Regarding Otto, this could possibly explain one of his motives for the revolution.
Regarding Cynthia, I place her among the ranks of the Karlsson siblings.
Regarding Callista, this explains Callista's strange behavior, especially as a mother. She values her foster daughter far more highly than her own flesh and blood. And I have no idea what sick plan she's pursuing.

I'm curious to hear the opinions of the two experts in this thread.

 

[harsha_26]

Well, the question of which person is good and which person is bad can't be answered like that. We have to consider the world order in this VN; it is, after all, FEMALE-DOMINATED! World history has taught us that good can be bad and bad can be good. There are plenty of examples! And even our current world order is anything but equal. In this VN, men are merely slaves, eking out a miserable existence for the amusement of the ladies, at their mercy. The sub-path demonstrates this impressively (I believe, since I don't play it). Even the Dom path isn't spared from this (yes, I've changed my mind here). A few men are "granted" the opportunity to "pleasure" the ladies in other ways. There's no other explanation for V having Kane "optimized" his penis. This raises the question: is Kane dominant in the Dom path? I say not. I'm much more inclined to believe that the ladies WANT TO BE "submissive" , or just want to be fucked hard!

Now let's move on to the two posts mentioned above:
Regarding Otto, this could possibly explain one of his motives for the revolution.
Regarding Cynthia, I place her among the ranks of the Karlsson siblings.
Regarding Callista, this explains Callista's strange behavior, especially as a mother. She values her foster daughter far more highly than her own flesh and blood. And I have no idea what sick plan she's pursuing.

I'm curious to hear the opinions of the two experts in this thread.

Yeah, it felt like girls wants to be submissive more than MC wants to be dominant (in dom path) .
This actually proves even for so called brutal femdoms like Juli if you observe the MC lines during kastumi's wager video scenes., he said something like "These women are submissive, they just need a strong man". This is alteast right in terms of sex scenes of dom path. But let's see, MC is still k9.

 

[kinkyshin]

Three questions:
1) if otto is super loyal to callista as he claims, why he is planning revolution with kiyomi? Because callista plan is to break the wall between decocks & karlsons and make even more big kingdom and free trade.

He is very loyal to Callista, yes. There's absolutely no reason to believe he is lying about that.

Callista is almost certainly involved with the revolution herself. Yvette says to Kane, "Kane...there's so much more to tell you. You'd be shocked at what we know...and who is part of our efforts."

I think we can very safely assume that she was referring to Callista here.

2) is Cynthia actually a good person or a bad person? Because, we all know she killed a slave brutally and asked Delilah to clean the mess. And also suspicious to the MC and somehow fears that stefan is in a threat for succession to the throne of decock. And when she meets MC, her behavior sounded somewhat negative (particularly in sub path if you are k1pro, she actually criticizes callista's decision to put him under training but he is not nothing but a slave) now close to getting killed. She haven't talked with him like for say how nadia Or stefan talks with MC. Decock cousins are the best, I can even see some bromance going on with stefan. But, cynthia is kind of a grey character and she all of a sudden helps callista to meet cole by driving plane?

If Elena describes Cynthia as 'evil', then I'm ready to assume that it's true lol. Regardless we have a lot of evidence to suggest that Cynthia is indeed evil. Such as killing a man for spilling a plate of food. Or the state that her servant Lola is in. Or that she presumably raised Nadia who is very sadistic. Or what Otto said about her...

otto "I'm also glad you had the chance to meet my Mistress yesterday. Cynthia is not a consistently moral and honorable woman by any means..."
otto "...but in the end, a lot of who she is today was shaped by the historical forces around her. She probably was a wonderful woman...before."
p "Before what?"
scene e7otemple9 with mediumdissolve
otto "Before...she lost her faith in a lot of things."
otto "[pname], I am bound by an honor code and a promise to not tell you everything I wish I could...but that doesn't mean I can't do other things."
otto "And there are people...that see and mourn the corruption of both The Karlsson Group and The DeKock Syndicate."

3) Does callista really cares for son's struggles? I think callista just see her son as a person to survive and serve for emperor olivia as her sperm donor. As last he is only useful for cum collection (do you remember Dominique's plan?). She don't have great plans for her son except what I told you above. But thanks for dom paths, I'm very sure MC can write his own history and throw gambit plan into the trashcan.

Of course Callista cares about her son's struggles... There's so much evidence of this, but a specific and direct example of this is when she straight up tells Elena, "I love Olivia like my own daughter. But of course I worry about Kane. I feel great sorrow and regret about what he's gone through..."

Callista is in a tough spot and is doing everything she can. There's a lot of people that she cares about (Kane, Seth, Nadia, Cole, Veronica in particular) but the thing about what Callista is doing is that a lot of the problems intertwine, and they all intertwine in a way that they can help all the people she cares about, especially Kane.

For example, from her perspective:
Helping Olivia also helps Kane and Veronica. Or at least, is supposed to.
Helping Kane also helps Olivia and Veronica. Or at least, is supposed to.
Helping Veronica also helps Kane and Olivia. Or at least, is supposed to.

These 3 in particular can help each other in massive ways. So it absolutely makes sense for Callista to try and help all of them, since the stronger that one of them is, the more they can help the other 2. If Olivia and/or Kane and/or Veronica ALL refuse to get along, it's not really Callista's fault. She did everything she could.

We have to consider the world order in this VN; it is, after all, FEMALE-DOMINATED! World history has taught us that good can be bad and bad can be good. There are plenty of examples! And even our current world order is anything but equal. In this VN, men are merely slaves, eking out a miserable existence for the amusement of the ladies, at their mercy. The sub-path demonstrates this impressively (I believe, since I don't play it). Even the Dom path isn't spared from this (yes, I've changed my mind here). A few men are "granted" the opportunity to "pleasure" the ladies in other ways. There's no other explanation for V having Kane "optimized" his penis. This raises the question: is Kane dominant in the Dom path? I say not. I'm much more inclined to believe that the ladies WANT TO BE "submissive", or just WANT to be fucked hard!

Err, kind of? Until pretty recently, The Karlsson Group was very, very much dominated by Alexander, and he was adamant he wanted a male heir to eventually run the company again.

As for the DeKocks, we know much less but we have all reason to believe that Stefan is next in line, so that's the 2 major places on this content that are to be led by a man.

Regarding Otto, this could possibly explain one of his motives for the revolution.

No, I think Otto is just a good guy...

Kwame said why he rebelled and it was because of the way they were treated in the mines... it was eating away at his soul.

Also, the leaders of the revolution are all women.

I don't think anyone is rebelling because they simply hate the idea of women being in charge lol

Regarding Callista, this explains Callista's strange behavior, especially as a mother. She values her foster daughter far more highly than her own flesh and blood.

She doesn't value Olivia over Kane, it's just that their positions (and what they can offer to one another, and what they need) are very different.

And I have no idea what sick plan she's pursuing.

lmao

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Three questions:
1) if otto is super loyal to callista as he claims, why he is planning revolution with kiyomi? Because callista plan is to break the wall between decocks & karlsons and make even more big kingdom and free trade.

2) is Cynthia actually a good person or a bad person? Because, we all know she killed a slave brutally and asked Delilah to clean the mess. And also suspicious to the MC and somehow fears that stefan is in a threat for succession to the throne of decock. And when she meets MC, her behavior sounded somewhat negative (particularly in sub path if you are k1pro, she actually criticizes callista's decision to put him under training but he is not nothing but a slave) now close to getting killed. She haven't talked with him like for say how nadia Or stefan talks with MC. Decock cousins are the best, I can even see some bromance going on with stefan. But, cynthia is kind of a grey character and she all of a sudden helps callista to meet cole by driving plane?

3) Does callista really cares for son's struggles? I think callista just see her son as a person to survive and serve for emperor olivia as her sperm donor. As last he is only useful for cum collection (do you remember Dominique's plan?). She don't have great plans for her son except what I told you above. But thanks for dom paths, I'm very sure MC can write his own history and throw gambit plan into the trashcan.

1. The revolution is a backup plan just in case Kane is as rotten as the sisters. I doubt that Astrid would screw over her own sister. As of now they're under the assumption he isnt so they're just putting things in place.

2. Cynthia is the dominique version of a good person. She's raising two kids that arent hers and she wiants to protect Kane. Yet, she considers poor people beneath her . which is why she treated that waiter like that.

3. She does but she's more concerned with the greater good of all people not just her son. She's willing to put her son in danger to ensure the safety of the world and it's inhabitants

 

[Negan22]

2. Cynthia is the dominique version of a good person. She's raising two kids that arent hers and she wiants to protect Kane. Yet, she considers poor people beneath her . which is why she treated that waiter like that.

That's not actually a good person we get attached to these characters so much that we forget the difference between good and bad. Are you saying if someone hurts someone whom you care about that the perpetrator is some kind of a good person (like here Cynthia is Dominique kind of good person lol). Both have similarities but that makes both of them bad.

 

[harsha_26]

He is very loyal to Callista, yes. There's absolutely no reason to believe he is lying about that.

Callista is almost certainly involved with the revolution herself. Yvette says to Kane, "Kane...there's so much more to tell you. You'd be shocked at what we know...and who is part of our efforts."

I think we can very safely assume that she was referring to Callista here.



If Elena describes Cynthia as 'evil', then I'm ready to assume that it's true lol. Regardless we have a lot of evidence to suggest that Cynthia is indeed evil. Such as killing a man for spilling a plate of food. Or the state that her servant Lola is in. Or that she presumably raised Nadia who is very sadistic. Or what Otto said about her...

otto "I'm also glad you had the chance to meet my Mistress yesterday. Cynthia is not a consistently moral and honorable woman by any means..."
otto "...but in the end, a lot of who she is today was shaped by the historical forces around her. She probably was a wonderful woman...before."
p "Before what?"
scene e7otemple9 with mediumdissolve
otto "Before...she lost her faith in a lot of things."
otto "[pname], I am bound by an honor code and a promise to not tell you everything I wish I could...but that doesn't mean I can't do other things."
otto "And there are people...that see and mourn the corruption of both The Karlsson Group and The DeKock Syndicate."



Of course Callista cares about her son's struggles... There's so much evidence of this, but a specific and direct example of this is when she straight up tells Elena, "I love Olivia like my own daughter. But of course I worry about Kane. I feel great sorrow and regret about what he's gone through..."

Callista is in a tough spot and is doing everything she can. There's a lot of people that she cares about (Kane, Seth, Nadia, Cole, Veronica in particular) but the thing about what Callista is doing is that a lot of the problems intertwine, and they all intertwine in a way that they can help all the people she cares about, especially Kane.

For example, from her perspective:
Helping Olivia also helps Kane and Veronica. Or at least, is supposed to.
Helping Kane also helps Olivia and Veronica. Or at least, is supposed to.
Helping Veronica also helps Kane and Olivia. Or at least, is supposed to.

These 3 in particular can help each other in massive ways. So it absolutely makes sense for Callista to try and help all of them, since the stronger that one of them is, the more they can help the other 2. If Olivia and/or Kane and/or Veronica ALL refuse to get along, it's not really Callista's fault. She did everything she could.



Err, kind of? Until pretty recently, The Karlsson Group was very, very much dominated by Alexander, and he was adamant he wanted a male heir to eventually run the company again.

As for the DeKocks, we know much less but we have all reason to believe that Stefan is next in line, so that's the 2 major places on this content that are to be led by a man.


No, I think Otto is just a good guy...

Kwame said why he rebelled and it was because of the way they were treated in the mines... it was eating away at his soul.

Also, the leaders of the revolution are all women.

I don't think anyone is rebelling because they simply hate the idea of women being in charge lol



She doesn't value Olivia over Kane, it's just that their positions (and what they can offer to one another, and what they need) are very different.



lmao

So their positions are like Olivia as a queen and MC as her concubine? Callista took measures for olivia to train fighting skills but giving love to MC? In a dangerous world, if parents care about their children, one has to teach them how to fight, not how to love. By your words, it look likes sub-MC is the canon.

So, that's what dumbwit queen planned. Okay, well, I hope there is at least one ending where instead of olivia, MC can rule the world.

 

[harsha_26]

But, tess is impressive for one reason:

Karlsson's gambit is the first adult game I seen players are fighting over non sexual reasons lol.

 

[Negan22]

But, tess is impressive for one reason:

Karlsson's gambit is the first adult game I seen players are fighting over non sexual reasons lol.

That says, you haven't seen much and arguing in this thread is only intense because well there are so many paths, other femdom games mostly go hard femdom without any other paths whatsoever mostly so anti femdom users just ignore them and femdom users remain happy, that's why there's not much bickering in those threads.

 

[harsha_26]

That says, you haven't seen much and arguing in this thread is only intense because well there are so many paths, other femdom games mostly go hard femdom without any other paths whatsoever mostly so anti femdom users just ignore them and femdom users remain happy, that's why there's not much bickering in those threads.

What I meant to say is.. I seen fighting over game in threads generally for optional NTR/Games and it's always about the sexual focus. Not for the story.

But this game is not like that even with all the extreme kink scenes. We are discussing about characters's non sexual actions.

 

[kinkyshin]

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[Maviarab]

Some people appear to be missing 2 simple facts:

1. Cynthia is Coles sister which make Kane her....
2. Calista had to allow Kane to be put into the program. Regardless of whether Alexander is dead or not, you think he would not put in place plans to carry out his threats?

Now ask all your questions again reminding yourself of the above two facts.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Some people appear to be missing 2 simple facts:

1. Cynthia is Coles sister which make Kane her....
2. Calista had to allow Kane to be put into the program. Regardless of whether Alexander is dead or not, you think he would not put in place plans to carry out his threats?

Now ask all your questions again reminding yourself of the above two facts.

For 2. She could have easily hid him with the Decocks for protection. But this would do nothing to help the state of the world since Karlsson resources are necessary. Doomed world means doomed Kane future. Not a good outcome for her.

 

[harsha_26]

For 2. She could have easily hid him with the Decocks for protection. But this would do nothing to help the state of the world since Karlsson resources are necessary. Doomed world means doomed Kane future. Not a good outcome for her.

As if it is anything better for k1 MC. There is already a ending planned where callista lives MC dies.
There are tons of outcomes MC would become regarding callista plan fails:

1) He may get killed as K1 (especially if the Olivia is evil.) Not because wantedly,, just because he is of torchur he faced in jail, could have made him phylogically weak because his mother never taught him how to survive even though she is so called genuis. She only teach him to love and enjoy the life and trust oilvia. But an olivia does not care about helping him, became a evil and want to kill him because he doesn't want to sleep with her or support her ideas. Now whose to blame? I can't blame MC because I seen in real life also, some people are weak and dumb. That doesn't mean have to die.
Yes it is the survival femdom world. But, mother should alteast warned him of those dangers. But she raised him as a feminine while she raised oilivia to fight and rule the world.

2) He may reject olivia to fail the gambit plan because he is in love with other lady like junko? Or he just don't want to sleep with olivia because it is weird. I would also not do that in real life if my sister turned out to be not my blood. She would be still my sister no matter what.

3) He may go for revolution as the dom guy.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

That's not actually a good person we get attached to these characters so much that we forget the difference between good and bad. Are you saying if someone hurts someone whom you care about that the perpetrator is some kind of a good person (like here Cynthia is Dominique kind of good person lol). Both have similarities but that makes both of them bad.

Im not saying she was, that's why I called her the dominique version of a good guy. She's someone who does good things under the right circumstances. But overall she's just as corrupted as the rest of the people in power.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

2. Calista had to allow Kane to be put into the program. Regardless of whether Alexander is dead or not, you think he would not put in place plans to carry out his threats?

At the point that Kane is put into the gambit, Veronica has Alexander right where she wants him. He cant do shit. I think whatever the reason that Callista puts him in the gambit goes beyond the fact that Alexander wants him there. Im guessing that she wants access the Karlsson's resources for whatever shitstorm is headed their way.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

As if it is anything better for k1 MC. There is already a ending planned where callista lives MC dies.
There are tons of outcomes MC would become regarding callista plan fails:

1) He may get killed as K1 (especially if the Olivia is evil. Not because wantedly,, just because he is of torchur he faced in jail, could have made him phylogically weak because his mother never taught him how to survive even though she is so called genuis. She only teach him to love and enjoy the life and trust oilvia. But an olivia does not care about helping him, became a evil and want to kill him because he doesn't want to sleep with her or support her ideas. Now whose to blame? I can't blame MC because I seen in real life also, some people are weak and dumb. That doesn't mean have to die.
Yes it is the survival femdom world. But, mother should alteast warned him of those dangers. But she raised him as a feminine while she raised oilivia to fight and rule the world.

2) He may reject olivia to fail the gambit plan because he is in love with other lady like junko? Or he just don't want to sleep with olivia because it is weird. I would also not do that in real life if my sister turned out to be not my blood. She would be still my sister no matter what.

3) He may go for revolution as the dom guy.

"If k1 if k1 if k1". Look, she can't help him if he is dumb and useless enough to end up in k1. Doesn't expect Kane to get there. She can't do everything.

Who ever actually ends up in k1 without trying to fuck up that bad?

At the point that Kane is put into the gambit, Veronica has Alexander right where she wants him. He cant do shit. I think whatever the reason that Callista puts him in the gambit goes beyond the fact that Alexander wants him there. Im guessing that she wants access the Karlsson's resources for whatever shitstorm is headed their way.

Pretty sure Alexander is on death's door by the time Alessandra ensures Kane, but yeah the resources are a big deal.

 

[jadepaladin]

"If k1 if k1 if k1" look, she can't help him if he is dumb and useless enough to end up in k1. Doesn't expect Kane to get there. She can't do everything.

Who ever actually ends up in k1 without trying to fuck up that bad?

You HAVE to do it intentionally. There's no stumbling into k1.

On the flipside, k9 feels natural? Maybe I've done too many dom runs.