VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[MilesEdgeworth]

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Yea, a bit of a sadist, yea... A perfectly normal and healthy amount of sadism, but nothing over the top or anything.

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If you was trying to show Kane's sis being awesome, you have succeeded.

Also looking at those pics makes me sad that she's off limits :s

 

[Stan5851]

Perhaps, but I just don’t see an explanation that covers the reason why she couldn’t have reached out to Veronica and made a deal. Which is exactly what Astrid argued for and what is happening.. except Kane isn’t excluded from the Gambit in this case and for some reason Callista isn’t pushing for it.

In fact, this deal has been around for a long time, it's just now taken to a new level when, after listening to Astrid's words, Veronica fully disclosed their joint plans to Callista and asked for her help in exchange for help with Kane (and Olivia).

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[kinkyshin]

In fact, this deal has been around for a long time, it's just now taken to a new level when, after listening to Astrid's words, Veronica fully disclosed their joint plans to Callista and asked for her help in exchange for help with Kane (and Olivia).

Think back to the very meeting between Callista (Gambit Queen) and Veronica in the ninja costume (season 1, where QG arrived on a small yacht). And the fact that she told Veronica that she had to make sure Kane and Seth were going to be succeed or she would never be able to open that very door. Isn't that a deal?

GQ: With the Gambit, I Know you will do what you must, but you also know my price.

V: I can likely succeed on two of them, but you Know I can't guarantee the third yet. It's more uncertain.

GQ: Just find him. You cannot unlock your final door without me. That key is beyond even you.

I assume it's Cole.

I don't think it's that simple. If Alexander's will meant nothing, then Veronica wouldn't need Callista (even setting aside the fact that she extols her as the only person who can understand her thoughts).

Do you think that opening that "final door" is nonsense and just a figure of speech? I dont think so. And if Veronica doesn't care too much about Gambit's rules, that doesn't mean she can refuse what Callista offers her in exchange for Kane and Seth being succeed. So I'm 100% sure that for all her independence, even V can't ignore Gambit completely and Callista knew where to push when she said that.

And now Callista and Veronica are in the same boat altogether, and I'm assuming they'll work as a unit and V will do whatever Callista asks.

P.S. And about the "bomb", we don't know yet how it works or who it is under remote control of. However, we do know (someone wrote about it here, referring to Yvette's dialogs) that if this enemy of Callista finds out she's alive, he can kill Kane immediately.

I have no doubt that V will pull it off, but so far we have no idea what it is or how to retrieve it. Maybe it's some kind of nano-bot hanging from a key artery leading to the brain, which on remote command could be immediately clogged or severed and "hello, Valhalla". So I wouldn't oversimplify things here either.

I am also curious about Alexander's will...

This is such a shot in the dark but maybe it has something to do with control over their AI, A.N.N.E or N.O.A.H? Though I forget what NOAH even is lol.

cass "This is A.N.N.E. and the letters for her name stand for Advanced Neural Network Entity. She is one of the most advanced artificial intelligence programs in the world."
cass "You will find her invaluable for your work, as she controls numerous functions within this facility."

If it's something that truly allows them to take control over all the other board members, then how was he even stripped of his power in the first place?

I'm surprised by a couple things:
A bit surprised he was able to get away with everything (at no point did Cole, Callista, Elena, and Yvette team up against him as he became more and more deranged?)
More than a bit surprised that he stuck some sort of bomb inside Kane (and possibly Callista) but not his own children.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

More than a bit surprised that he stuck some sort of bomb inside Kane (and possibly Callista) but not his own children.

Well he was probably the one who screwed over Astrid so Veronica threatened to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off. Then she messed him up.

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[kinkyshin]

Well he was probably the one who screwed over Astrid so Veronica threatened to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off. Then she messed him up.

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I'm genuinely confused about what this has to do with what I said

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I'm genuinely confused about what this has to do with what I said

You were wondering in your last bit about why Alexander didn't tamper with his kids right? Well he probably did and Veronica stepped in.

 

[Stan5851]

Well he did screw over Astrid so Veronica screwed him over back and was also willing to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off.

And later, she finished Alexander off with his own (bio) weapon, if we're talking about the outcome of their confrontation. Although, if I understood Veronica's hint in her conversation with Callista in Ep8 (and Tess hinted at it as well), that bastard raped young Veronica...So, on the totality of his deeds, Alexander got what he deserved.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

And later, she finished Alexander off with his own (bio) weapon, if we're talking about the outcome of their confrontation. Although, if I understood Veronica's hint in her conversation with Callista in Ep8 (and Tess hinted at it as well), that bastard raped young Veronica...So, on the totality of his deeds, Alexander got what he deserved.

This line? Its just vague enough that that people can fill in with whatever abuse they think fits.

 

[kinkyshin]

You were wondering in your last bit about why Alexander didn't tamper with his kids right? Well he probably did and Veronica stepped in.

These are not even remotely the same things at all though...

1. I mean when they were very young, which is surely when he stuck a bomb inside Kane.

2. Placing a bomb inside of them to ensure that he could easily delete them IF he ever needed to isn't the same as giving them a terminal disease that certainly would have them dead within a couple years. And he said he wasn't done with Astrid. He was essentially torturing her to death.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

These are not even remotely the same things at all though...

1. I mean when they were very young, which is surely when he stuck a bomb inside Kane.

2. Placing a bomb inside of them to ensure that he could easily delete them IF he ever needed to isn't the same as giving them a terminal disease that certainly would have them dead within a couple years. And he said he wasn't done with Astrid. He was essentially torturing her to death.

Time scales for things are funny. They are even more funny with a deranged man. He was obsessed with Calista and willing to do anything, including tampering with Kane, to have access or control involving her. For his kids according to lines by the sisters, he apparently showed disinterest while they were little unless they could demonstrate their use somehow. He thought of them as imperfect next to his ultimate prize of a child with Calista.

Only when they got older and more capable did he care more about keeping them in line and brutally acting against Astrid when she didn't.

Alex's view of Kane is funny anyway since he wants and needs him to fulfill the Gambit. He is a unique case.

 

[Stan5851]

This line? Its just vague enough that that people can fill in with whatever abuse they think fits.
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Yeah, but later Tess wrote something along the lines of “only women can fully understand this” so I assumed the worst - rape..And that fits the context best (imo). But even if it was "just" sexual harassment of his own young daughter, I don't think that excuses him in any way. So the bastard got what he deserved.

 

[Hazardgaming]

I’m pretty sure that guys can understand rape as well. It’s what happens to dom Kane when he’s first examined by Veronica and the nurse.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yeah, but later Tess wrote something along the lines of “only women can fully understand this” so I assumed the worst - rape..And that fits the context best (imo). But even if it was "just" sexual harassment of his own young daughter, I don't think that excuses him in any way. So the bastard got what he deserved.

Hmm suffered abuse. Well it could be but doesn't have to be rape. Could have been starved or beaten

“only women can fully understand this”

Ok fine Tess. Rape it is.

I’m pretty sure that guys can understand rape as well. It’s what happens to dom Kane when he’s first examined by Veronica and the nurse.

Or what happens to pretty much all the men in general in that world.

 

[harsha_26]

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Yea, a bit of a sadist, yea... A perfectly normal and healthy amount of sadism, but nothing over the top or anything.

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Okay.. She is Juliette. I admit.. But still, family is family..

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.
b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.
c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.

 

[harsha_26]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.
b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.
c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.

May be thats the reason his sperm is infertile yet? (Cum collection). Dominique knows too much. Veronica rightly said that she has to give more credit for keeping cole hidden from all and supporting his work for food growth.

I mean, upto now what we knew is.. out of all 4 karlssons sisters, Dominique is the good one (unless you make her bad to get movie theater sex lol), while veronica is a pragmatic, alensandra is also bad, Juliette is just brutal. So, nobody expects a good once to do all these. Nice cover Dominique. Well, she is the eldest sister and also the executive head of overall operations while her sisters only heading the one area of operation. I wouldn't be suprised if the enemy is indeed Dominique.

 

[kinkyshin]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.

Huh, why then? Why not simply the same time he did it to Kane?

And putting bombs inside them doesn't just ensure obedience in his children, but also his lovers as well. Yvette certainly is never going to cross him or take her children and flee like Callista tried to if Veronica and Astrid both have bombs that he can detonate whenever he pleases. If you're unhinged enough to place a bomb inside of your ex-lover's child, then why not your own children as well...

b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.

Well, a few things:
1) It happens offscreen so Patreon likely won't have much of a problem with it.
2) It doesn't sensualize incest in any way, it actually demonizes the specific form of incest that Tess hates the most (Father/daughter or Father/Stepdaughter)
3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.

c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.

Yes, of course when he was a baby...

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Huh, why then? Why not simply the same time he did it to Kane?

And putting bombs inside them doesn't just ensure obedience in his children, but also his lovers as well. Yvette certainly is never going to cross him or take her children and flee like Callista tried to if Veronica and Astrid both have bombs that he can detonate whenever he pleases. If you're unhinged enough to place a bomb inside of your ex-lover's child, then why not your own children as well...


Well, a few things:
1) It happens offscreen so Patreon likely won't have much of a problem with it.
2) It doesn't sensualize incest in any way, it actually demonizes the specific form of incest that Tess hates the most (Father/daughter or Father/Stepdaughter)
3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.


Yes, of course when he was a baby...

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

A) We know he didnt place bombs inside of his kids because if he did so, Veronica wouldve had nothing to threaten him with since the board wouldve voted however he wanted regardless of what Veronicas threats were.

B) The patreon stuff means nothing. Tess herself is on record as saying she hates incest and won't have it in her game. Also as far as Kane knows he had a relatively normal childhood so he wouldnt have had that in common with veronica.

C) Callista escaped when she was pregnant with Kane, not sure he couldve done anything to Kane while he was still a kid. If there is a bomb it had to have either been done by veronica or when Kane was arrested.

 

[Stan5851]

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

Well, that's good old Miles. I'd be surprised if he didn't try to blame it on Veronica, who he doesn't like. Haha, classic.

3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.

Yeah, that's about what I was gonna write, but you beat me to it. But I have an excuse, it's 7:00 in the morning and I'm insanely sleepy.

As for the bomb, guys, I'll give you a hint.

Think about who Alexander can trust with the keys to set it off. Yes, it could be anyone, but above all it would have to be his most devoted daughter, willing to do anything without hesitation or doubt.

Here's a good post by Miles with a brief pschological portrait of each of the sisters. You can argue with some things, particularly the phrase about Veronica's moral compass, haha, but overall everything else makes sense..

I wish to examine Alexander and his relationship with his daughters more.

Astrid likely wanted nothing to do with him so mentally, he had little to no effect of her.
Juliette likely was a daddy's girl who wanted to impress him, which would explain her cruelty. She's trying to emulate her father. She gets off on the mental stuff. That scene with the boat survivor was brutal but important from a character's perspective.
Dominique tries to fight her father's training, but ultimately, it still affects her. It messes with her the most out of all the sisters. It messes her up big time as she can't decide whether or not she wants to be moral.
Veronica I'd imagine wouldn't have a moral compass if not for her sister. She'd likely be a lot worse in her treatment of slaves, but her sister affected her.
Alessandra is an interesting case. She's taken her upbringing in stride and has become a people pleaser. Probably as psychologically messed up by her upbringing as her sisters but she hides it well. She sums up her upbringing as the cost of being rich.

So Alexander definitely didn't need a wavering daughter, not entirely sure if she was on the side of good or evil...No, there had to be someone here willing to fight not only Callista, but Veronica. I guess there aren't that many options, hehe.

Although, I still don't rule out that this someone mysterious with a "remote in her hand" is one of Alexander's surviving sisters (Karin, I think). But that's assuming she wasn't one of those mysterious and bossy women who subjected Alexander to humiliation when he wasn't yet the founder of the company... And we can't rule out the possibility that this someone is a character we don't even know yet.

Okay, that's a wrap and I'm going to bed. See you guys.

 

[kinkyshin]

A) We know he didnt place bombs inside of his kids because if he did so, Veronica wouldve had nothing to threaten him with since the board wouldve voted however he wanted regardless of what Veronicas threats were.

B) The patreon stuff means nothing. Tess herself is on record as saying she hates incest and won't have it in her game. Also as far as Kane knows he had a relatively normal childhood so he wouldnt have had that in common with veronica.

C) Callista escaped when she was pregnant with Kane, not sure he couldve done anything to Kane while he was still a kid. If there is a bomb it had to have either been done by veronica or when Kane was arrested.

A) I already said he didn't place bombs inside his kids. I simply said I was surprised that he didn't.
B) Kane has suffered a lot and the direct source of this suffering is Alexander Karlsson.
C) Except she didn't actually escape. She was soon found by Alexander.