VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[DIKHammer]

I agree with you.

I believe Juliette actually calls Katsumi her most loyal servant at some point and the Faction Summary seems to mostly approve of this. (Though Katsumi is willing to follow anyone at the top of The Karlsson Group if they're evil..)

If Olivia and Elena are 'good', Katsumi is 100% turning on them no matter what. And it looks like Juliette likely plays a role in this betrayal.

100% Agree Katsumi is there for power, she will screw over Elena/Olivia/Kane if all are good at some point on that path. On an Evil Path however she will be an Ally

 

[kinkyshin]

I made a post before half-joking if Elena was incompetent... I've been thinking for a while now that she's a washed up has-been. She thinks everyone is loyal to her and they're just... not.





But here's the faction summary...

Spoiler: WSA. Good Olivia takes over the company with/without a sub Kane

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So if Olivia is good... then Katsumi is locked out with Juliette.

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Olivia takes over the company with/without a sub Kane

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Strangely though... Even if Olivia takes over the Karlsson Group and is evil then Katsumi is STILL not locked in. (I guess she will need high katsisslave points in addition to being leader of evil Karlsson Group...)

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Juliette OR Evil Dominique take over the company with a Sub Kane

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Katsumi is locked in for either of them.

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Dom Kane... can be him solo or coupled with Juliette/Dominique/Olivia

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Surprisingly it says she's ONLY locked in if Juliette is the leader...
Of course, I think it's safe to assume she can join with any of them as leader. But yea... I think it goes to show that she is definitely more loyal to Juliette than anyone else.

 

[Stan5851]

100% Agree Katsumi is there for power, she will screw over Elena/Olivia/Kane if all are good at some point on that path. On an Evil Path however she will be an Ally

Blessed are those who believe. Let’s start with the fact that Katsumi is far from foolish to attempt to overthrow those who literally control her life and can end her existence with just a couple of words.

By the way, I don’t know whether the other Karlsson sisters are aware of this little secret hidden within Kat, but the main thing is that Katsumi herself is well aware of it, so there will be no overthrow (from her side). This fairy tale about the overthrow of Olivia and Elena might become true (and even that’s not certain) only by the will of the player, but it will certainly not depend on Katsumi.

 

[kinkyshin]

Blessed are those who believe. Let’s start with the fact that Katsumi is far from foolish to attempt to overthrow those who literally control her life and can end her existence with just a couple of words.

I mean... Kane is in the exact same boat...

And honestly, if Elena stuck a secret chip inside my brain that could end me at any second, I would want to betray her too lol

 

[PickerLewd]

Now that Tess is gradually creating a gallery, I hope she can include a full version (there are too many scenes).

I remember that not even SanchoMod had all the NSFW scenes available to watch.

 

[DIKHammer]

I made a post before half-joking if Elena was incompetent... I've been thinking for a while now that she's a washed up has-been. She thinks everyone is loyal to her and they're just... not.

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But here's the faction summary...

Spoiler: WSA. Good Olivia takes over the company with/without a sub Kane

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So if Olivia is good... then Katsumi is locked out with Juliette.

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Olivia takes over the company with/without a sub Kane

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Strangely though... Even if Olivia takes over the Karlsson Group and is evil then Katsumi is STILL not locked in. (I guess she will need high katsisslave points in addition to being leader of evil Karlsson Group...)

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Juliette OR Evil Dominique take over the company with a Sub Kane

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Katsumi is locked in for either of them.

Spoiler: WSA. Evil Dom Kane... can be him solo or coupled with Juliette/Dominique/Olivia

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Surprisingly it says she's ONLY locked in if Juliette is the leader...
Of course, I think it's safe to assume she can join with any of them as leader. But yea... I think it goes to show that she is definitely more loyal to Juliette than anyone else.

where is this faction chart is it in the guide?

Blessed are those who believe. Let’s start with the fact that Katsumi is far from foolish to attempt to overthrow those who literally control her life and can end her existence with just a couple of words.

By the way, I don’t know whether the other Karlsson sisters are aware of this little secret hidden within Kat, but the main thing is that Katsumi herself is well aware of it, so there will be no overthrow (from her side). This fairy tale about the overthrow of Olivia and Elena might become true (and even that’s not certain) only by the will of the player, but it will certainly not depend on Katsumi.

But if Katsumi thinks she can get Juliette in charge and gain even more power she might make that play. People are greedy for power

 

[kinkyshin]

where is this faction chart is it in the guide?

https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-2b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-16547212

 

[harsha_26]

Some people here are hell bent on Alesandra not interested in being a leader, but according to faction sheet, She may end up as leader.. And surprisingly, leader of revolution endings, that too in Dom path? How the fuck is that possible? She likes to torment men and love the slavery system.

That girl doesn't even want to give a drop of water to old man wants to end the slavery system?

 

[kinkyshin]

Some people here are hell bent on Alesandra not interested in being a leader, but according to faction sheet, She may end up as leader.. And surprisingly, leader of revolution endings, that too in Dom path? How the fuck is that possible? She likes to torment men and love the slavery system.

That girl doesn't even want to give a drop of water to old man wants to end the slavery system?

Seems like she can join the revolution, but not as the leader. (Only on the SS path if Angelica turns her into the light)

She can be the leader of Faction C which is actually opposing the revolution.

The way it's written is a bit weird because there's world states (A-D) and factions which are also (A-D) and they don't line up perfectly.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

She can be the leader of Faction C which is actually opposing the revolution.

Already seen things probably relevant to that when she gives orders to sub Kane. Not much seen on that yet on other routes.

(Let's hope a really zoomed in picture of chains doesn't cause mass hysteria here again)

 

[jadepaladin]

Already seen things probably relevant to that when she gives orders to sub Kane. Not much seen on that yet on other routes.
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(Let's hope a really zoomed in picture of chains doesn't cause mass hysteria here again)
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Says a lot about someone that will look at a post that features one of Alessandra's tits hanging out and focus on the chains instead.

Priorities, I guess.

 

[harsha_26]

Seems like she can join the revolution, but not as the leader. (Only on the SS path if Angelica turns her into the light)

She can be the leader of Faction C which is actually opposing the revolution.

The way it's written is a bit weird because there's world states (A-D) and factions which are also (A-D) and they don't line up perfectly.

But it is not written anywhere in faction sheet that faction C will be opposing the revolution.

 

[kinkyshin]

But it is not written anywhere in faction sheet that faction C will be opposing the revolution.

I agree that she should've clarified, but it seems pretty obvious...

World State C means the revolution is happening. You already know this.

And Faction C has Yvette, Astrid, Kiyomi etc locked out. Meanwhile it has things like Claudia is locked in if Dominqiue or Olivia is leader and high evil for all of them.

 

[harsha_26]

I agree that she should've clarified, but it seems pretty obvious...

World State C means the revolution is happening. You already know this.

And Faction C has Yvette, Astrid, Kiyomi etc locked out. Meanwhile it has things like Claudia is locked in if Dominqiue or Olivia is leader and high evil for all of them.

Wow.. You gone through more details.. Good observation lol.. Faction C seems like a failed/fake revolution endings by looking at the characters. Then how World State C is possible and by which characters?

I can ask tess but she said Dom Faction details are removed for now and she is modifying into new sheet and it takes time..

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Well I've seen this scene a hundred times and I've never once thought this was the case. I am considering it now, though it still seems pretty unlikely that this is her intention.

And I definitely wouldn't go as far as to say "No reason for her to say that if she's not working on getting him to turn on her" though... I can immediately think of a few reasons at the top of my head lol but most likely of all is that it's just Alessandra doing what Alessandra loves to do the most... tormenting men. And this specific instance could be something of a unique case as it's somewhat a continuation of their previous conversation since she was there when Kane first met Olivia at the Joy Facility:

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Would you say she's trying to turn them against each other here as well? She does mention the same thing after all (that Kane is essentially a slave and his sister is here in charge). But once again, I don't get the impression that she's trying to turn Kane and Olivia against each other at all... She even says that Kane doing well makes it easier for Olivia lol

And there are others too that insult Kane on the disparity between him and his 'sister' as well on the sub path. For example:

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Chanel's not Alessandra, she's clearly rubbing it in . As for the scene above yea she is. She's clearly planting seeds in Kane's head for future use. If you don't see how Alessandra is trying to cause chaos, I don't know what to tell you.

I've never said that Alessandra was trying to win the Gambit. (Veronica doesn't appear to be eligible to participate in the Gambit, but many people tell her that she could take it over if she wished to. The logical conclusion to make is that there are other ways to take control of the company than winning the Gambit.)

Here's what I said and it was mostly in jest:

I think it would be great if an evil Kane can somehow convince Alessandra/Juliette/Olivia/Dominique that he will impregnate them all... and then whichever son is the worthiest will take over the company one day. This is definitely a major improvement to Alexander's plan.

The only sister that Kane is impregnating is the one that wins the gambit so for your scenario to be effective Alessandra would have to want to win the gambit to get impregnated in the first place.

 

[kinkyshin]

Wow.. You gone through more details.. Good observation lol.. Faction C seems like a failed/fake revolution endings by looking at the characters. Then how World State C is possible and by which characters?

I can ask tess but she said Dom Faction details are removed for now and she is modifying into new sheet and it takes time..

I don't know any more than you do lol...

But if I had to guess it mostly just comes down to whether the Gambit succeeds or not.

1. If the Gambit succeeds, then it's World State A and there will be no revolution or it will be squashed immediately to the point where it accomplishes nothing.

2. If the Gambit fails, then it's World State C (or World State D, which we don't know much about, so let's ignore that for now) and the revolution will succeed to at least SOME degree. Juliette will die. (as it seems to me like she always dies if the Gambit doesn't succeed)

And for all we know, Faction C doesn't necessarily mean that they oppose the revolution... they're simply the faction that forms while/after the revolution occurs. Though, I think we can assume that they do oppose it. Since that wouldn't really make much sense.

Chanel's not Alessandra, she's clearly rubbing it in . As for the scene above yea she is. She's clearly planting seeds in Kane's head for future use. If you don't see how Alessandra is trying to cause chaos, I don't know what to tell you.

You can tell me again about how Alexander is 100% still alive.

The only sister that Kane is impregnating is the one that wins the gambit so for your scenario to be effective Alessandra would have to want to win the gambit to get impregnated in the first place.

Bro... how are you not getting it?

 

[harsha_26]

I don't know any more than you do lol...

But if I had to guess it mostly just comes down to whether the Gambit succeeds or not.

1. If the Gambit succeeds, then it's World State A and there will be no revolution or it will be squashed immediately to the point where it accomplishes nothing.

2. If the Gambit fails, then it's World State C (or World State D, which we don't know much about, so let's ignore that for now) and the revolution will succeed to at least SOME degree. Juliette will die. (as it seems to me like she always dies if the Gambit doesn't succeed)

And for all we know, Faction C doesn't necessarily mean that they oppose the revolution... they're simply the faction that forms while/after the revolution occurs. Though, I think we can assume that they do oppose it. Since that wouldn't really make much sense.

Why Juliette should die? There may be a chance for her redemption path.

 

[kinkyshin]

Why Juliette should die? There may be a chance for her redemption path.

Redemption for Juliette? Lol, this is completely out of my imagination.

There's never any mentions of Juliette in any of the factions besides Faction A. I think it's most likely that she dies, but I suppose it's possible she could still be alive and just simply not one of the leaders?

 

[Negan22]

Why Juliette should die? There may be a chance for her redemption path.

Her only redemption path is being kane's cock sleeve or dead.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

You can tell me again about how Alexander is 100% still alive.


Bro... how are you not getting it?

Arent you the one who just said lets not speak in absolutes? Yet here you are scoffing at a theory.

Im not getting it because your scenario of getting alessandra pregnant without her winning the gambit makes no sense in the context of the game.