VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[MilesEdgeworth]

Callista was still pregnant when she first ran away with Kane. She was caught soon after and forced to take Olivia with her.
I think we can safely assume that's when the bomb was planted (to ensure that Callista would have Kane and Olivia in the gambit). So Veronica would've been like a year old lol.

Why can we safely assume that he'd be able to safely place a bomb in a baby. A bomb that has to account for growth and all kind of other things likely to set off a bomb.
Besides, Kane had the option of saying no to the gambit when he was in jail. What wouldve happened then? Id argue that the bomb was placed in Kane likely shortly before he entered the gambit.

 

[kinkyshin]

Why can we safely assume that he'd be able to safely place a bomb in a baby. A bomb that has to account for growth and all kind of other things likely to set off a bomb.
Besides, Kane had the option of saying no to the gambit when he was in jail. What wouldve happened then? Id argue that the bomb was placed in Kane likely shortly before he entered the gambit.

Does that really make sense though?

You're telling me Callista faked her own death and THEN the Karlsson Group planted a bomb inside of him!?

Literally the whole reason that Callista did fake her death was because of this bomb lol

Like, at this point in time the DeKock Syndicate is so strong, they could just pick him up and he is safe lol... which completely goes against the whole concept of why Kane even needed to participate in the Gambit in the first place.

Clearly Yvette is not a villain, she is the active contributor for revolution path along with Astrid and even if it's true, Veronica should have already know this truth and alerted callista, but it seems, mother and daughter are still in good relations. I'm not it won't be possible, but very unlikely.


My wishful bet is on Alesandra but, my real bet is on.. Well.. Olivia.. How? Figure it out lol.

btw slight correction but here's a list of the people that know at this point:

Callista
Yvette
Cole
Kiyomi
Otto
Nadia (almost certainly)
Stefan (almost certainly)
Cynthia (almost certainly)
Astrid (almost certainly)
Veronica (almost certainly)
Olivia (most likely)
Elena (most likely)
Grym Gudinna (it's possible?)
And of course, whoever has the detonator.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Does that really make sense though?

You're telling me Callista faked her own death and THEN the Karlsson Group planted a bomb inside of him!?

Literally the whole reason that Callista did fake her death was because of this bomb lol

Like, at this point in time the DeKock Syndicate is so strong, they could just pick him up and he is safe lol... which completely goes against the whole concept of why Kane even needed to participate in the Gambit in the first place.

So again I ask, what happens if Kane says no to the gambit? If they put a bomb in his head to make sure callista has him participate, what happens if he simply says nty and decides to just stay in prison instead? Also it's not as if the Dekocks have a hacker that could disable said controls.... wait.

 

[kinkyshin]

So again I ask, what happens if Kane says no to the gambit? If they put a bomb in his head to make sure callista has him participate, what happens if he simply says nty and decides to just stay in prison instead?

I don't know. This is outside the scope of the story and not something I would ever bother to ponder. Ask Tess.

Also it's not as if the Dekocks have a hacker that could disable said controls.... wait.

Are you implying that Nadia can simply disable the 'bomb' or whatever it is inside of Kane?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I don't know. This is outside the scope of the story and not something I would ever bother to ponder. Ask Tess.


Are you implying that Nadia can simply disable the 'bomb' or whatever it is inside of Kane?

Its not outside the scope of the story, it was a very real option that couldve happened. If it was all about the baby bomb, then the choice shouldnt have been Kane's in regards to the game.

The bombs, the controls to said bomb? sure. If we're making baby bombs, let's go all the way out there.

 

[kinkyshin]

Its not outside the scope of the story, it was a very real option that couldve happened. If it was all about the baby bomb, then the choice shouldnt have been Kane's in regards to the game.

It is. It's like asking me what happens if Harry Potter refuses his Hogwarts letter. Like, I don't know man.

The bombs, the controls to said bomb? sure. If we're making baby bombs, let's go all the way out there.

I think we can safely assume that if Nadia could simply hack the controls to said bomb then she would've already done so. Regardless, I don't see how this relates to our discussion of when the bomb was placed inside of Kane.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It is. It's like asking me what happens if Harry Potter refuses his Hogwarts letter. Like, I don't know man.


I think we can safely assume that if Nadia could simply hack the controls to said bomb then she would've already done so. Regardless, I don't see how this relates to our discussion of when the bomb was placed inside of Kane.

We're not talking about an acceptance letter to a school. We're talking about people being so desperate to include Kane in the gambit that they placed a baby bomb on him, then they gave Kane the choice of whether to join said gambit. Does that seem logical to you?

I think we can safely assume that Nadia wouldn't know about the baby bomb cuz like most things, Callista's would keepthat shit to herself. Besides, you bought up the Dekocks, not me.

But here's the real question, if Kane had a baby bomb placed on him why did the smartest woman in the world not try to do anything to remove or disable it? Surely she didnt just leave that shit to the whims of a madman.

 

[kinkyshin]

We're not talking about an acceptance letter to a school. We're talking about people being so desperate to include Kane in the gambit that they placed a baby bomb on him, then they gave Kane the choice of whether to join said gambit. Does that seem logical to you?

I think we can safely assume that Nadia wouldn't know about the baby bomb cuz like most things, Callista's would keepthat shit to herself. Besides, you bought up the Dekocks, not me.

But here's the real question, if Kane had a baby bomb placed on him why did the smartest woman in the world not try to do anything to remove or disable it? Surely she didnt just leave that shit to the whims of a madman.

You know what, I just realized you were right about everything and the bomb was placed inside Kane whenever you said it was.

 

[rai1230]

do we know who implemented the bomb inside kane??

 

[harsha_26]

Does that really make sense though?

You're telling me Callista faked her own death and THEN the Karlsson Group planted a bomb inside of him!?

Literally the whole reason that Callista did fake her death was because of this bomb lol

Like, at this point in time the DeKock Syndicate is so strong, they could just pick him up and he is safe lol... which completely goes against the whole concept of why Kane even needed to participate in the Gambit in the first place.


btw slight correction but here's a list of the people that know at this point:

Callista
Yvette
Cole
Kiyomi
Otto
Nadia (almost certainly)
Stefan (almost certainly)
Cynthia (almost certainly)
Astrid (almost certainly)
Veronica (almost certainly)
Olivia (most likely)
Elena (most likely)
Grym Gudinna (it's possible?)
And of course, whoever has the detonator.

"And Whoever is the detonator", Sorry, but you already mentioned her in your list.

 

[Sick Bubblegum]

There's no baby bomb, and the earth is not flat. It could be the threat of the disease inflicted on Seth and Astrid.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

This VN uses an impressive number of flags and variables. The data transfer from season 1 to season 2 contains more than 300 (!) values. Right from the start the player can make choices which increase/decrease variables but most of them seem to just store player actions and may trigger small dialog variations without changing the course of the story. For example elena_p, Elena's opinion on mc (player), can increase/decrease based on player choices but is NEVER evaluated so far, so the player can completely ignore the value when playing current version E1 to E8.2.

Is there a list of the really important variables which fork the story?

Spoiler: data transfer

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[Maviarab]

This VN uses an impressive number of flags and variables. The data transfer from season 1 to season 2 contains more than 300 (!) values. Right from the start the player can make choices which increase/decrease variables but most of them seem to just store player actions and may trigger small dialog variations without changing the course of the story. For example elena_p, Elena's opinion on mc (player), can increase/decrease based on player choices but is NEVER evaluated so far, so the player can completely ignore the value when playing current version E1 to E8.2.

Is there a list of the really important variables which fork the story?

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The vast majority of character variables have not been used yet, along with the majority of actual labels.

My excel sheet in the OP lists every single one. As to your last question, far too many to mention.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

The vast majority of character variables have not been used yet, along with the majority of actual labels.

My excel sheet in the OP lists every single one. As to your last question, far too many to mention.

I wonder if Tess has a full "overview" of her variables and their effects?

For example " bad_joke " is a flag used only in the very first meeting with Elena in Episode 1 and causes only a slight variation in Elena's wording most players will likely miss. No need to transfer such a one-time flag to Season 2.

 

[Maviarab]

I wonder if Tess has a full "overview" of her variables and their effects?

Be a crappy dev if she didn't...so you can safely assume that yes, she does.

At the end of Ep7, there were:

173 Flags
40 different point variables for Characters
40 other misc point variables
and 21 point variables directly for Kane & Olivia themselves

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Going a bit off topic, Im wondering how Callista faked a pregancy with Seth. Faking Olivia wouldve been easy since Elena was an absentee mother back in the day and Olivia was with Callista before Kane was born. But what about Seth. I imagine by that point, Olivia knew how babies were made.

 

[kinkyshin]

Going a bit off topic, Im wondering how Callista faked a pregancy with Seth. Faking Olivia wouldve been since Elena was an absentee mother back in the day and Olivia was with Callista before Kane was born. But what about Seth. I imagine by that point, Olivia knew how babies were made.

I've made a couple shitposts about this before:
https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-2b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-17189743
https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-2b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-16610179

Obviously no one knows... could just be that

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and Elena like she's already done multiple times now.

Perhaps a better theory though now that I think about it is that Callista was pregnant with twins. (Kane and Nadia) but gave Nadia to Cynthia (as was planned with Cole) and in return got Seth.

Cole never bothered to ask about Seth (seems unaware of his existence) but Cynthia has asked about Seth multiple times now. Personally, I think Seth has similar cheekbones to Cynthia, but that being said... During this scene:



There are different flags (with the names of gods) based on the options picked.
If Kane picks to save Seth then you get the flag 'Kaneashur', which according to wikipedia:

suggesting that Seth has no family.

If he has no family then I guess it could be so simple that Alexander simply knew she was pregnant with twins, so Callista had to swap Nadia with someone else... and Seth is just some random guy. I don't know...


Seth has the same sickness as Astrid. This line from Kiyomi always makes me think that the disease Alexander injected Astrid with came from Seth and that Cynthia played some role in it. But this is quite the reach lol

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Seth has the same sickness as Astrid. This line from Kiyomi always makes me think that the disease Alexander injected Astrid with came from Seth and that Cynthia played some role in it. But this is quite the reach lol

Maybe.
Veronica then proceeded to turn it on Alexander after he refused to acknowledge boundaries, even after she threatened him with breaking the whole system, so her appetite for revenge might be sated already.
As for Cynthia, not enough info on the Dekock side of things.

 

[harsha_26]

Which paths "are getting cancelled"?
You mean the fact dom Kane can't shag Elena?

Don't get me wrong I find Elena to be one of the better looking and more intriguing character of this VN, but once one gets past the very first chapters it's easy to understand why she wouldn't be a LI and I mean on any path.
Not every option for every character needs to be open in a VN, especially one that has a strong focus on story and setting.

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Again I repeat, there's a part of me that would love for Kane to be able to "romance" or have more interactions with Elena, I truly like her character and her model, but ain't going to happen and has nothig to do with giving preference to submissive paths.

domKane wont able to romance Elena, yes because of you explaining that she believes daughter is best choice. But, she can fuck him in dom path in future updates (don't know when) as confirmed my Tess. But domKane has to support Olivia Faction in order to do that. Elena willing to do anything to make her daughter ready for Gambit. So, fucking domKane in order to make him more invested in her faction is not something out of the box.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I've made a couple shitposts about this before:
https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-2b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-17189743
https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-2b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-16610179

Obviously no one knows... could just be that

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and Elena like she's already done multiple times now.

Perhaps a better theory though now that I think about it is that Callista was pregnant with twins. (Kane and Nadia) but gave Nadia to Cynthia (as was planned with Cole) and in return got Seth.

Cole never bothered to ask about Seth (seems unaware of his existence) but Cynthia has asked about Seth multiple times now. Personally, I think Seth has similar cheekbones to Cynthia, but that being said... During this scene:

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There are different flags (with the names of gods) based on the options picked.
If Kane picks to save Seth then you get the flag 'Kaneashur', which according to wikipedia:
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suggesting that Seth has no family.

If he has no family then I guess it could be so simple that Alexander simply knew she was pregnant with twins, so Callista had to swap Nadia with someone else... and Seth is just some random guy. I don't know...

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Seth has the same sickness as Astrid. This line from Kiyomi always makes me think that the disease Alexander injected Astrid with came from Seth and that Cynthia played some role in it. But this is quite the reach lol

Unless tess fucked up in the writing this right here shows us that Callista only had one kid:


If I had to guess, Nadia is probably the product of a one night stand with some rando before cole got serious with Callista.
It's hard to ignore the fact that Seth has the same disease as Astrid and that he's currently being used as research. No idea where he came from though. I wanted to say that Yvette ran across him somewhere and she gave him to Callista for safekeeping knowing that he could be used to help Astrid. But that makes little sense since she was probably affected later. No character that's ran across him gave him a knowing look either. Definitely need to learn a bit more about him before I can come up with a decent hypothesis