VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[NewGuy2022]

Ironically unless she's changed her mind, her dream ending seems to be Kane winning the gambit but turning the power down and walking away. Not sure who her cannon girl is. I assume olivia but cant be sure

What you're describing sounds a lot like what was known as the "Lone Ranger" ending in the discussion threads on discord. Back when I followed that, the dev came online and said this planned ending was cancelled. While it was not to be my first choice for endings, it was an ending I wanted to see. Not to be, though.

 

[MagicMan753]

Ironically unless she's changed her mind, her dream ending seems to be Kane winning the gambit but turning the power down and walking away. Not sure who her cannon girl is. I assume olivia but cant be sure

The "canon" girls as it leads to next game is Veronica/Olivia throuple. There are both Sub and Dom variants, that may slightly converge to same point in some way.

But don't get too caught up in canon. Canon is what you make it.

 

[RNasc4444]

That's a pretty good ending, another way to say fuck you to the system.

I beg to differ. The only "good" ending that would "say fuck you to the system" is one where you burn the entire system down and everyone that ever partook in it with it. Kill every The Cock, every Karlsson, every founder, every executive, every employee, anyone that isn't a powerless slave. Tear the whole thing down. Rip the evil from the ground, root and stem.

Anything less cannot possibly be considered "good". Ideally Kane would have to go in the end too because you cannot possibly get to the "good ending" by keeping your morals, ethics and values "clean".

 

[HiHaHo]

I beg to differ. The only "good" ending that would "say fuck you to the system" is one where you burn the entire system down and everyone that ever partook in it with it. Kill every The Cock, every Karlsson, every founder, every executive, every employee, anyone that isn't a powerless slave. Tear the whole thing down. Rip the evil from the ground, root and stem.

Anything less cannot possibly be considered "good". Ideally Kane would have to go in the end too because you cannot possibly get to the "good ending" by keeping your morals, ethics and values "clean".

kill everyone,burn & destroy everything! = "good"
my man you don't want to get rid off the kalsson system,you want to be one in controle of it.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I beg to differ. The only "good" ending that would "say fuck you to the system" is one where you burn the entire system down and everyone that ever partook in it with it. Kill every The Cock, every Karlsson, every founder, every executive, every employee, anyone that isn't a powerless slave. Tear the whole thing down. Rip the evil from the ground, root and stem.

Anything less cannot possibly be considered "good". Ideally Kane would have to go in the end too because you cannot possibly get to the "good ending" by keeping your morals, ethics and values "clean".

That's kinda the overriding takeaway I got from playing the game. To be able to advance within the system (i.e., gain levels) you have to do the corrupt things those in power want to see. By the time you rise high enough, you've become nearly as bad as they are. The message was "everyone in charge is a criminal." A little unnerving, frankly but I'm still here for the story.

 

[RNasc4444]

kill everyone,burn & destroy everything! = "good"
my man you don't want to get rid off the kalsson system,you want to be one in controle of it.

The fuck!?!?!?! Are you high?

No. I REALLY don't! I want to tear it apart! Why the ever loving fuck would I want to be in control of a system that:

1. rapes
2. enslaves
3. mutilates
4. conducts human experiments on
5. physically and emotionally abuses
6. tortures
7. opresses
8. murders
9. denigrates

so on and so forth... I'd really have to be very sick in the head to even consider perpetuating such a system. How in the fuck can you make a case for "control" being the "good" option. The system only works if there are sub human animals on the levels below that you can take advantage of. Without them the system crumbles.

 

[Vincent Valentine]

Please no spoil, but how to be K5 before the Ktrain (ep4) ? it's not clear if i have to be dominant to win a rank or if i have to obei to win a rank ? I try to be dominant/good but all my choice make me K4...please just explain and try not to spoil.

 

[HiHaHo]

The fuck!?!?!?! Are you high?

No. I REALLY don't! I want to tear it apart! Why the ever loving fuck would I want to be in control of a system that:

1. rapes
2. enslaves
3. mutilates
4. conducts human experiments on
5. physically and emotionally abuses
6. tortures
7. opresses
8. murders
9. denigrates

so on and so forth... I'd really have to be very sick in the head to even consider perpetuating such a system. How in the fuck can you make a case for "control" being the "good" option. The system only works if there are sub human animals on the levels below that you can take advantage of. Without them the system crumbles.

well for one,the world setting isn't like ours.
its a dystopian world,where there isn't enough for everyone. desolate plains, toxic environment which make global travel nearly impossible etc.
the karlsons somehow setup a government system to keep what they have going.

yes its cruel etc. kinda like how most of our world used to be.
IRL we still rape,Slavery still exsist (albeit most call it "human trafficking" now) , people still mutilate,we still do human experiments,physical & mental abuse happens to,tortures probably happen to.
oppression? that is 100% present everywhere! don't think so? try not paying your taxes and let me know how that works out or basicly any other law/regulation your local government has,might as well pick one you disagree with.
murder still happens to.
denigrate? (to critique or belittle in a "unfair" way) this mostly ties into all the other issue's mostly slavery,i mean you think people would treat slaves like gods or something?

i get it though its a cruel place,but i don't see how "tearing it apart" by " Kill every The Cock, every Karlsson, every founder, every executive, every employee " helps.
even if we conveniently ignore the "kill everyone" part you want which you claim is the a reason why you want to get rid off them in the first place.(guess you plan on killing yourself and everyone who helped you get it done at the end off it all to make amends? because killing people is wrong. right?)
and then the people would have a utopia?? no not really ,there still wouldn't be enough to go around in this VN's earth.
the only thing that would do is allow people to do what they please when and how they please,which will naturally lead to all the things you wanted to get rid off.

currently they aren't entirely evil and selfish, they are doing research into improve food output,revitalising the environment ,and they are even focking building a space ark to take humanity to a planet that isn't as good dead/dying.

nah man if anyone here is "high" its you ,high on your own morality that is,doing what you feel is right,in same way of that what seek to destroy.
whit no suggestion,idea or plan for what comes after to actually make it better.

 

[RNasc4444]

nah man if anyone here is "high" its you ,high on your own morality that is,doing what you feel is right,in same way of that what seek to destroy.

You seem to ignore that the Cocks and the Karlsson's aren't the only forms of "government" or order that exist. They merely control parts of the livable areas on the planet. Therefore obliterating everyone that's part of those 2 systems wouldn't kill all survivors. But it would absolutely make the world a MUCH better place.

I find it hilarious that you say I'm "high on my own morality" while you're making an argument that shows you have none at all. I'm not the one trying to defend murders, torture, human experimentation, rapes and enslaving as necessary to human survival or the betterment of the world.

If those practices are necessary for the survival of any society, then my stance is clear, that society is 1000% not worth saving. It should be extinguished. Purged. Obliterated. Without a second thought.

It takes a really fucked up mind to look at someone like Veronica, Alexander, Cole, Olivia, Calista, Yvette, Dominique, Alessandra, Julliete and pretty much everyone else on this AVN as a fucking "savior". When their entire fucking lives were dedicated to creating and nurturing the most abhorrent, amoral, evil, disgusting, vile and atrocious "system" that humanity has ever seen.

And someone who can even entertain that thought for half a second is beyond delusional. "Sick" would be a more apt descriptor in my opinion. And I'm not even conflating this AVN with reality. I'm saying it's sick for fictional story standards!

 

[lorddarkam]

That's a pretty good ending, another way to say fuck you to the system.

This is the way you get feed to some mouth the next day after you choice

 

[HiHaHo]

You seem to ignore that the Cocks and the Karlsson's aren't the only forms of "government" or order that exist. They merely control parts of the livable areas on the planet. Therefore obliterating everyone that's part of those 2 systems wouldn't kill all survivors. But it would absolutely make the world a MUCH better place.

I find it hilarious that you say I'm "high on my own morality" while you're making an argument that shows you have none at all. I'm not the one trying to defend murders, torture, human experimentation, rapes and enslaving as necessary to human survival or the betterment of the world.

If those practices are necessary for the survival of any society, then my stance is clear, that society is 1000% not worth saving. It should be extinguished. Purged. Obliterated. Without a second thought.

It takes a really fucked up mind to look at someone like Veronica, Alexander, Cole, Olivia, Calista, Yvette, Dominique, Alessandra, Julliete and pretty much everyone else on this AVN as a fucking "savior". When their entire fucking lives were dedicated to creating and nurturing the most abhorrent, amoral, evil, disgusting, vile and atrocious "system" that humanity has ever seen.

And someone who can even entertain that thought for half a second is beyond delusional. "Sick" would be a more apt descriptor in my opinion. And I'm not even conflating this AVN with reality. I'm saying it's sick for fictional story standards!

yes they are in charge off the currently known governments that are known to the readers.
that controle some off the barely livable area's known.
you dislike with how they do things ,so we must obliterate it because that "would make the world a much better place"
there are no arguments given as to how or why?
or do you seriously believe that the next batch off people that manage setup a new government wouldn't do the same.

i happy you've found my rejection off your idea off "kill everyone , destroy everything because they are evil" hilarious.
again conviently ignoring the fact you basicly want to do the same...

why kill everyone? why not imprison them? that would be less evil.
why destroy everything and create anarchy? why not replace them with better people and maintain order? that would cause a lot less damage to the people & their society.
because just removing them without replacing them would lead to a anarchy which likely will be very destructive and savage.

you claim i have "no morality" because i rejected your idea off "kill everyone,destroy everything"? which btw is a very immoral thing to do and say.
i think disagreeing with that Idea makes me moral,especially considering you have offered no idea's or plans to actually solve the problems people face in the VN's world setting.
its very much just a "killing because i don't like them" plan.
i've never said that the karlsos & the cocks are moral,or that i agree with how they do things.
its just you thinking that because i disagreed with your immoral and insane idea off "kill everyone,destroy everything" without a plan for afterwards.

I find it hilarious that you want to "kill everyone,destroy everything" because they are "evil" and fail to see the hypocrisy in that.
how about you actually show you are a more moral person with your idea's.
because the "well you disagreeing with me shows you have no morality" only confirms the "high on my own morality" part.
i'm not the one running around suggesting killing people and destroying a society because i disagree with it,YOU ARE!.

 

[PickerLewd]

You must be registered to see the links

Corporate Development Memo 1 December 2025

Hi everyone!

First of all, sorry for being late today! I was having a long chat with a friend and it went most of the night and it was really important. Just being blunt, but I decided to prioritize that to put this off until now as friends and family always come first. I wasn't expecting my scheduled Patreon writing block to get taken up but it's how life works sometimes, sorry about that.

I hope everyone that celebrated it had an amazing Thanksgiving! I was really excited to have people I have not seen in a while with my family out here. I know I repeat this too often but I don't care, please make sure and value -- and tell them frequently too -- the family and friends that truly give meaning to your life and existence. I'm really proud of my success and accomplishments but I'm way more proud of the experiences and connections I've had in life so far. I really understand this even more right now with everything going on...

This month will be the craziest of my life so please do not feel bad if I literally am not responding to anything at all! I am also leaving for my honeymoon in the later part of the month and I will be handing off things to Anais entirely for my trip. She is formally starting tomm (Dec 2) to help me a lot on everything to get 8.3.1 Final out and I'm paying her the entire Patreon this month and a little extra on top. Please be kind to her if you see her on Discord, I think some know she dislikes being on there due to a few stupid idiots during Episodes 5 and 6 or so but she will try for me .

I have attached more images above -- these are all part of Final. I have only one scene left to formally start which is a sub scene. All other scenes are in progress and mostly close to done. What I basically have left to do (my own list):

Last sub scene (set up done, write/render)
K1 scene --> wrap up almost done
Good dom scene --> had this listed just finished it
Alternative dom scene --> in progress (the picture with three ladies is start, it moves to another room too)
Outro --> About ten more renders (just the err high tiers to thank need to create their models)

Testing/playing everything.

I've got a little help now of course but I'm also getting pulled more and more with real life stuff. Family are now coming in waves a bit more, but a lot more are coming soon. I'm about to get slammed but I am still trying to carve out some quiet time (honestly having some quiet time isn't just about the game but recharging from hectic days) to keep going.

Final -- how it will work. I am likely to release a version called 8.3.1FinalA which will be intended for all content being done. However, if a major error is found or something is badly broken, I will quickly make sure it is fixed and a new release called 8.31FinalB will then come out. I do intend the saves to be fine for either Final Version but I will let people know if there is something that has changed from A to B if needed (the scenario where this might be necessary to save on B is if I had to correct/change a choice flag or something that impacts the next updates but hopefully not). I have this option ready in case of a real issue -- if there are just cosmetic fixes a few places then I may still do a B but tell people A is fine for saves.

Last, I want to share about feedback. I got a very detailed and long critique about one of my characters from a Patron here. It was very long, pretty negative but extremely well thought out. I've never got feedback that good in my life. And despite being pretty critical I loved it because it didn't waste my time and made me think. Most feedback I get is pure nitpicky irrelevant stuff (btw everyone that is a man, please don't have a too nitpicky personality, I can tell you -- ask many other women if you don't believe me and find out for yourself -- that it is a VERY effective pussy drying agent unfortunately) that I don't care about or just "do kink A in Scene B" without much else added. I don't mind kink ideas honestly as sometimes you get good ideas but I would love way more substantive thoughts from a well reasoned mind.

Long story short, I was so impressed by this feedback and how well articulated and persuasive it was that I am for the first time considering tweaking a character story arc. I've never done that before but what I read was that good. So thank you... (I've asked to disclose this person but no response yet hehe).

I am aiming to release the Final sometime next next weekend or a bit before that next week, but I can't promise anything with what is going on now, it's just a goal. It will absolutely be out this month, it's close enough to say that for sure. I just had a bit more to add this update versus prior ones from Test --> Final. I am working very hard to get it out ASAP so please be a bit more patient! I really appreciate and love you all!

Love,

Tess

Spoiler: Goodies

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

All killing everybody at the top would do is create a power vacuum where people much worse could and likely would rise to the top. Studying history shows us this.

 

[daffyrolls94]

All killing everybody at the top would do is create a power vacuum where people much worse could and likely would rise to the top. Studying history shows us this.

Studying history shows that us statements like this only make sense in fiction where the structure of the world or society is aprioristically determined by feelings. In the real world there are no true power vacuums because power is always de facto distributed among many more people than it nominally appears to be. If everyone nominally holding "power" within a system can be killed, that means the system is already hollow and unworkable and a new one has already replaced it in practice. This was the case in every successful revolution and/or mass social transformation in actual history.

Questions of who is better or worse at wielding power, or whether power itself corrupts, fundamentally misunderstand what power actually is. Ironically that misunderstanding is the essence of any power fantasy.

EDIT: in the context of the game universe, if the Karlsson group/dynasty/whatever can be destroyed that means it's already dysfunctional. But it's not because the game universe is a power fantasy. So the collapse of the system has to come from something wholly external and incidental to it like a hero (with the power to destroy it), an apocalyptic event (that is averted by those with the power to survive) or elites competing for absolute power within an institution that has no need for such competition because it distributes power with perfect efficiency.

 

[hoochimama]

Please no spoil, but how to be K5 before the Ktrain (ep4) ? it's not clear if i have to be dominant to win a rank or if i have to obei to win a rank ? I try to be dominant/good but all my choice make me K4...please just explain and try not to spoil.

If you're talking about reaching K5+ right out of prison, try eating the better food and when running choose to run fast.
If you're talking about reaching K5+ when you're K4- you need to perform really well when you visit each of the Karlsson sister's departments.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Please no spoil, but how to be K5 before the Ktrain (ep4) ? it's not clear if i have to be dominant to win a rank or if i have to obei to win a rank ? I try to be dominant/good but all my choice make me K4...please just explain and try not to spoil.

There are only a limited number of choices in early game ... explore them all.
For example the first Elena meeting right at the start allows to be dominant, submissive or smart.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[Vincent Valentine]

Thank you all for your answers. The “Walk” guide is for v8, but the others aren’t very clear. I understand now what I missed in the prison section, but in my first playthrough—without any help—I actually had a better K score and a much better overall experience. I also questioned the choices less, even though English isn’t my first language.


Three years later, I wanted to dive back into what is still easily in my top 3 AVN games, but not knowing exactly what the game expected from me was a bit disappointing… The game is still a masterpiece, of course, but the way some choices are interpreted really misled me. For example, staying silent doesn’t feel like submission to me—on the contrary, I see it as showing strength and character. But here, I think it actually made me lose points.


Also, when you say “putting on a good performance with the Karlsson sisters,” does that mean I should listen to them, or stand up to them?

 

[f96zonetrooper]

... The “Walk” guide is for v8, ...

Season 1 Walkthroughs are linked under "Season 1" (Spoiler) in the OP.

https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-8-31-testb-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-10754949

 

[hoochimama]

Also, when you say “putting on a good performance with the Karlsson sisters,” does that mean I should listen to them, or stand up to them?

When you visit each of their different departments (Operations, Marketing, R&D etc) there is a "quest" you'll have to solve in those locations. The better you solve that quest the more points/bigger promotion you'll get.

 

[harsha_26]

The "canon" girls as it leads to next game is Veronica/Olivia throuple. There are both Sub and Dom variants, that may slightly converge to same point in some way.

But don't get too caught up in canon. Canon is what you make it.

Yeah we can just headcanon that our preffered path is the canon and when next game comes, we just have to play MC origin that is not from Veronica-Kane's lienage.