VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Rowszix]

If the mc dies in a game it's usually called a bad ending.
Here it seems that killing Kane will be a player choice for those with morbid femdom fantasies. AfaIk Kane first has to drop to K1 to get in the death zone.

Kane does not really matter. He is there because he is the son of Cole and Callista.
Both Cole and Callista were presumed dead back then in 2020 but now they are alive and in the game.
If Kane dies, they can make new babies for the gambit ... and Veronica can likely help to grow them faster ...
She probably could also just take genetic materials from all of them and then create/clone new Kanes without 9 months delays for pregnancies ... if the gambit matters at all.

I thin Kane matters, actually very much.
We already know that there is a lot of tension between the Kalrssons and the DeCocks, especially after the return of Cole. The only reason Callista is playing along is because Kane is threatened, but if the Karlssons kill Kane I would assume there is no holding back. Cole, Kallista and Nadia would most likely want revenge and start a war between the two companies. Also the tension between the Kalrssons sisters grows stronger over time. There also is potential for a civil war between them especially if the one thing that could solve this more "peacefully" is taken out of the game. Of course they could take his sperm before he gets killed, but he is infertile right now right? The question is how can this be changed.

Of course there is no guarantee, but I think Kanes death without solving the gambit first would mean the end of the Karlsson empire. Alexander even says it, if nobody can take his price, he would prefer his empire falls.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

... without solving the gambit first ...

Imho :
That's one of the problems with the game ...
- the story currently moves with 1 day per Episode (and now it takes years to produce an Episode),
- the gambit is won by the son of a Karlsson sister with Kane which takes at least 9 months (ca 270 days) for a standard pregnancy and if it's a daughter they may try again ... and again ...

Due to this incompatibility between the game's time scale (days) and the gambit's time scale (years), the gambit cannot be solved in the game. It's likely just a plot device to start the story and a reason for all the Karlsson sisters to have sex with Kane ...

 

[harsha_26]

Mhh that actually depends on player choice. Evil Olivia is already very harsh to Kane all the time. If he refuses to see her sexual I think it's not really that problematic, if he refuses to accept Elena's sponsorship, Olivia can make it much harder for him (but this is actual a player choice) in the game show and also tells him she doesn't consider him family anymore. Which is rich because, if I am not mistaken about the order of events, regardless of this she can say even earlier that she doesn't want him to be save from being killed during the game show.

All of this implies that Kane actually can die during the game show, which of course would basically fuck up the gambit completely and most likely lead to an all out war between the Karlssons and the DeCocks, I assume this is one the most "bad" endings (bad for most of the cast and Kane of course, because he's dead, duh, but maybe one of the most positive for the rest of the world ) for the game, in which basically no one will come out on top. If it happens like this, then this also would be one of the very rare occasions in the game where choosing pure evil would actually be a "bad" choice for a character personally.

I don't think gambit will fuck up. Before he dies, board will try to store his sperm. Veronica will activate kane's sperm again in injection. She cares more for gambit and island4 than kane. Sisters will fight for the sperm bottle without kane and winner gets the sperm and the gambit throne.

Claps..

 

[Rowszix]

I don't think gambit will fuck up. Before he dies, board will try to store his sperm. Veronica will activate kane's sperm again in injection. She cares more for gambit and island4 than kane. Sisters will fight for the sperm bottle without kane and winner gets the sperm and the gambit throne.

Claps..

Well in the pdf of about the factions Tess says that there are Wildcard endings if Kane stays kinda independent, and they can be death and destruction. I think Kane dying during the game show makes him pretty independet . And afterwards I think his family would start playing hardball. During the dinner scene in the dom path it is already stated that there is a lot of tension between the DeCocks and the Karlssons. So I assume a possible war between them would make for a very good wildcard death and destruction ending.
And we don't really know how to Kane get fertile again. I think Veronica just being able to end it would be kind of anticlimatic.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

If Kane dies, those are pretty much game overs, no story developments after the fact of him dying… k1 stuff is extra content pretty much to the most down bad players… Choices will have major effects of who dies are not… there’s even one example of Kane, Seth, Callista, Cole, Olivia dying so it’ll be interesting to see how things can possibly shake up to that point

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[Rowszix]

If Kane dies, those are pretty much game overs, no story developments after the fact of him dying… k1 stuff is extra content pretty much to the most down bad players… Choices will have major effects of who dies are not… there’s even one example of Kane, Seth, Callista, Cole, Olivia dying so it’ll be interesting to see how things can possibly shake up to that point

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Yeah of course I would assume an ending like this would be a game over. I thought it could maybe an early game over like for example in Baldurs Gate 3 there is a special ending at the end of act 2, that - while the big bad is beaten - still fucks up the world. I think Kane dies early could be a nice possibility for something like that. Especially because I would actually love to get a scenario in which being bad actually means getting some negative karma points . For know it's just different story vibes, which most likely is because we are not really in the end game.

Even good Olivia is really hard to like as sub Kane for me sometimes, considering they were close as siblings before (Espescially the scenes with Seth, he basically suffered his whole life and is now humiliated and used by a girl he considered his loving sister his whole life). Veronica is much more supportive of sub Kane in the latest update. But I think I read somewhere the next update will bring in another game with Olivia, so maybe this will further a sub Kane Olivia romance path, but oh well maybe Olivias dom style is just being mean .

 

[Newbe163]

That novel has so many possibilities of smaller or bigger turns, really interesting to watch, how the dev team is taking care to consistency in it. Definitively one of the novels, where the amount of smaller or bigger deviations of the original path is catered the most. Makes it interesting, as everybody has the chance to create her or his own version of the novel/game.

 

[RNasc4444]

I don't think gambit will fuck up. Before he dies, board will try to store his sperm. Veronica will activate kane's sperm again in injection. She cares more for gambit and island4 than kane. Sisters will fight for the sperm bottle without kane and winner gets the sperm and the gambit throne.

Claps..

This would remove the only tiny bit of power Kane truly ever had. And it's quite likely. I'd imagine the first think Veronica would do is secure a sample of his sperm which is literally the only thing they need him for. What else even keeps him alive or relevant? Being related to Callista...and that's it.

Making sure the gambit fails would be my number 1 priority here. If I were Kane and I had that knowledge, first thing I'd do is jump headfirst into a pit of lava. Just to deny that demon Veronica her precious gambit. Which would be in vain if indeed she already has a sample of his seed stored somewhere.

And this is the basis of my hatred for Olivia and Veronica. Kane being as disposable as he is, those 2 bitches are the 2 main reasons keeping the gambit going.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Well in the pdf of about the factions Tess says that there are Wildcard endings if Kane stays kinda independent, and they can be death and destruction.

And we don't really know how to Kane get fertile again. I think Veronica just being able to end it would be kind of anticlimatic.

I read the .pdf, too. But the dev later nerfed some of what she wrote there (no more Lone Ranger ending, for example).
As for Kane's fertility, I got the impression Veronica was suppressing it somehow and this would wear off; she had a conversation with Dominique (?? I think) where she mentioned she was keeping Kane's sperm out of play but she could not do that for much longer. Perhaps she meant something else there but that's how I interpreted it.

Even good Olivia is really hard to like as sub Kane for me sometimes,

With all the background development between those two (esp. the 2-seat spaceship discussion) it bothers me to see them at odds with each other and seems very inconsistent within the plot line; that's one of the reasons I have trouble with the sub routes. If it works for other players then good for them.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yeah of course I would assume an ending like this would be a game over. I thought it could maybe an early game over like for example in Baldurs Gate 3 there is a special ending at the end of act 2, that - while the big bad is beaten - still fucks up the world. I think Kane dies early could be a nice possibility for something like that. Especially because I would actually love to get a scenario in which being bad actually means getting some negative karma points . For know it's just different story vibes, which most likely is because we are not really in the end game.

Even good Olivia is really hard to like as sub Kane for me sometimes, considering they were close as siblings before (Espescially the scenes with Seth, he basically suffered his whole life and is now humiliated and used by a girl he considered his loving sister his whole life). Veronica is much more supportive of sub Kane in the latest update. But I think I read somewhere the next update will bring in another game with Olivia, so maybe this will further a sub Kane Olivia romance path, but oh well maybe Olivias dom style is just being mean .

I mean being bad does and will have consequences.. as you’ve already seen with Demoness Olivia and Dom Evil Kane/ being bad will have perks but changing the story to the point of reflection will happen start episode 9 and beyond… and For those saying evil choices for sub Kane doesn’t account to anything, that’s true for the most part, but more evil based choices will happen in part 3 and beyond as well…

while a Good Olivia is a really hard pill to swallow in terms of how she sometimes treats Kane, she acts a bit more “aggressive” because she is also being judged and watched… Olivia even mentions this… So while she does some certain acts… there are choices where the player can pull some of those punches to where you wouldn’t get the same results if you were a Demoness Olivia… Veronica is able to offer more of that softer approach because of her standing already in the Karlsson Group and because she also does have that childhood connection she dearly holds onto… Veronica in her own way, has her own issues that’s been discussed on here, but everyone has baggage so that’s not surprising..

 

[thedestroyeroffemboyass]

so is the game worth it or is it just another game where you fuck everything you see and the mc is op?

 

[harsha_26]

I mean being bad does and will have consequences.. as you’ve already seen with Demoness Olivia and Dom Evil Kane/ being bad will have perks but changing the story to the point of reflection will happen start episode 9 and beyond… and For those saying evil choices for sub Kane doesn’t account to anything, that’s true for the most part, but more evil based choices will happen in part 3 and beyond as well…

while a Good Olivia is a really hard pill to swallow in terms of how she sometimes treats Kane, she acts a bit more “aggressive” because she is also being judged and watched… Olivia even mentions this… So while she does some certain acts… there are choices where the player can pull some of those punches to where you wouldn’t get the same results if you were a Demoness Olivia… Veronica is able to offer more of that softer approach because of her standing already in the Karlsson Group and because she also does have that childhood connection she dearly holds onto… Veronica in her own way, has her own issues that’s been discussed on here, but everyone has baggage so that’s not surprising..

Good Olivia does behave as too good sometimes, particularly when you are playing Kane as Evil Dom, while shocking Amy or you first time get the *now removed* demon tag. But, other than that, she is not much un-supportive to his brother of his evil dom acts as long as you open the "Goldidomslock". I dont know if it is indeed designed like that or contradictory.

And the interesting fact is, Elena too, if you didn't make her good via Olivia's conversation on ocean bridge, taking the netural choice (sorry if wrong location), thus make elena as evil and we get "worthyson" points for evil dom kane from elena even if olivia is good.

 

[harsha_26]

If Kane dies, those are pretty much game overs, no story developments after the fact of him dying… k1 stuff is extra content pretty much to the most down bad players… Choices will have major effects of who dies are not… there’s even one example of Kane, Seth, Callista, Cole, Olivia dying so it’ll be interesting to see how things can possibly shake up to that point

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Yeah, his death won't be a sexual one and might be one scenario is his parents over there. But, those are not game overs. Tess said in faction sheet, for most of the endings, Kane is not at all needed. Thus means, story will go on without Kane.

 

[harsha_26]

This would remove the only tiny bit of power Kane truly ever had. And it's quite likely. I'd imagine the first think Veronica would do is secure a sample of his sperm which is literally the only thing they need him for. What else even keeps him alive or relevant? Being related to Callista...and that's it.

Making sure the gambit fails would be my number 1 priority here. If I were Kane and I had that knowledge, first thing I'd do is jump headfirst into a pit of lava. Just to deny that demon Veronica her precious gambit. Which would be in vain if indeed she already has a sample of his seed stored somewhere.

And this is the basis of my hatred for Olivia and Veronica. Kane being as disposable as he is, those 2 bitches are the 2 main reasons keeping the gambit going.

If gambit fails, Veronica and Callista wont mind too much. Veronica main priority and her life goal is Island4, Callista although saving son is somewhat priority to her, she also have other plans like revolution. Veronica already teases this with callista's conversation on how she may have different plans already if gambit fails. So, yeah, at last, Kane is not important for this story. The most you can do is (if tess permits), kill most of them you can and save Nadia, as it seems she is only one who gives a damn about Kane, irrespective of his choices.

 

[Rowszix]

I mean being bad does and will have consequences.. as you’ve already seen with Demoness Olivia and Dom Evil Kane/ being bad will have perks but changing the story to the point of reflection will happen start episode 9 and beyond… and For those saying evil choices for sub Kane doesn’t account to anything, that’s true for the most part, but more evil based choices will happen in part 3 and beyond as well…

while a Good Olivia is a really hard pill to swallow in terms of how she sometimes treats Kane, she acts a bit more “aggressive” because she is also being judged and watched… Olivia even mentions this… So while she does some certain acts… there are choices where the player can pull some of those punches to where you wouldn’t get the same results if you were a Demoness Olivia… Veronica is able to offer more of that softer approach because of her standing already in the Karlsson Group and because she also does have that childhood connection she dearly holds onto… Veronica in her own way, has her own issues that’s been discussed on here, but everyone has baggage so that’s not surprising..

Yeah I totally expect that some evil decision might hurt us somehow later, even though playing it out "perfectly" we might get away with everything . And as I said we are not already in the endgame so I understand we have to wait for some things to happen. Ohh and if evil sub Kane really makes a difference that would be interesting, maybe it is more important if Kane is promoted above K4 after the game show while still being a sub.

And yeah I understand why Olivia thinks she needs to acts like this, my only issue is good Olivia basically says sorry Kane we are watched right now, so you have to kiss my feet right now, but a few days later uses him as a human punching bag. She says I can't abandon Seth and then makes her basically disabled baby brother (and yeah I know no blood relationship) lick her sweaty feet and later her pussy. I just think I would have wished for a more protective path from Olivia (maybe this is why I actually came up with my secret power couple theory , and maybe a Olivia fails and her sisters teaming up against her would also be a nice angle). And I mean if she wants to be seen as ruthless, then think about the following scenario:
Kitty comes in and proposes to psychological torture Seth. Olivia just smiles and asks Elena, if that bitch is fucking serious. Does she really think it is a good idea to come to someone better than her and propose something as dumb as this. Then using Elenas authority to instantly send Kitty back to K4 or even lower (Allessandra actually threatens this to Kitty in Secret Sub path for just trying to reason with her). That would send the signal to everybody to don't fuck with Olivia if you don't want to get your life ruined and would be very much what a Karlsson would do - also fuck Kitty . But of course I understand how ridiculous forked the game already is and something like this would make it even more complicated. Maybe I am just spoiled because of the amount of forking, that I just wish there would be even more .

Still I am really looking forward to a sub Kane/Olivia relationship. I actually really hope that she becomes more demanding of him, while trying to keep him away from her sisters, because he should be under feet, but her feet .

By the way I can't wait how the secret sub dynamic with Allessandra and Angelica turns out. Angelica dominating them both at the same time just sounds fucking hot .

 

[NewGuy2022]

Yeah I totally expect that some evil decision might hurt us somehow later, even though playing it out "perfectly" we might get away with everything . And as I said we are not already in the endgame so I understand we have to wait for some things to happen. Ohh and if evil sub Kane really makes a difference that would be interesting, maybe it is more important if Kane is promoted above K4 after the game show while still being a sub.

And yeah I understand why Olivia thinks she needs to acts like this, my only issue is good Olivia basically says sorry Kane we are watched right now, so you have to kiss my feet right now, but a few days later uses him as a human punching bag. She says I can't abandon Seth and then makes her basically disabled baby brother (and yeah I know no blood relationship) lick her sweaty feet and later her pussy. I just think I would have wished for a more protective path from Olivia (maybe this is why I actually came up with my secret power couple theory , and maybe a Olivia fails and her sisters teaming up against her would also be a nice angle). And I mean if she wants to be seen as ruthless, then think about the following scenario:
Kitty comes in and proposes to psychological torture Seth. Olivia just smiles and asks Elena, if that bitch is fucking serious. Does she really think it is a good idea to come to someone better than her and propose something as dumb as this. Then using Elenas authority to instantly send Kitty back to K4 or even lower (Allessandra actually threatens this to Kitty in Secret Sub path for just trying to reason with her). That would send the signal to everybody to don't fuck with Olivia if you don't want to get your life ruined and would be very much what a Karlsson would do - also fuck Kitty . But of course I understand how ridiculous forked the game already is and something like this would make it even more complicated. Maybe I am just spoiled because of the amount of forking, that I just wish there would be even more .

Still I am really looking forward to a sub Kane/Olivia relationship. I actually really hope that she becomes more demanding of him, while trying to keep him away from her sisters, because he should be under feet, but her feet .

By the way I can't wait how the secret sub dynamic with Allessandra and Angelica turns out. Angelica dominating them both at the same time just sounds fucking hot .

You had me at, "fuck Kitty." Indeed.

 

[daffyrolls94]

Yeah I mean the game's worldbuilding story and choices are all in service to various flavours of 3d snuff but torturing Seth is a step too far. It's fricking Seth guys, come on!

 

[Rowszix]

Yeah I mean the game's worldbuilding story and choices are all in service to various flavours of 3d snuff but torturing Seth is a step too far. It's fricking Seth guys, come on!

My problem with it is not that he is tortured (that sounds bad, I mean as in the story ). It is that good Olivia, who wants to try to make the world a better place (as she can say in the conversation with Elena), doing it .

 

[MZy321]

Yeah I totally expect that some evil decision might hurt us somehow later, even though playing it out "perfectly" we might get away with everything . And as I said we are not already in the endgame so I understand we have to wait for some things to happen. Ohh and if evil sub Kane really makes a difference that would be interesting, maybe it is more important if Kane is promoted above K4 after the game show while still being a sub.

And yeah I understand why Olivia thinks she needs to acts like this, my only issue is good Olivia basically says sorry Kane we are watched right now, so you have to kiss my feet right now, but a few days later uses him as a human punching bag. She says I can't abandon Seth and then makes her basically disabled baby brother (and yeah I know no blood relationship) lick her sweaty feet and later her pussy. I just think I would have wished for a more protective path from Olivia (maybe this is why I actually came up with my secret power couple theory , and maybe a Olivia fails and her sisters teaming up against her would also be a nice angle). And I mean if she wants to be seen as ruthless, then think about the following scenario:
Kitty comes in and proposes to psychological torture Seth. Olivia just smiles and asks Elena, if that bitch is fucking serious. Does she really think it is a good idea to come to someone better than her and propose something as dumb as this. Then using Elenas authority to instantly send Kitty back to K4 or even lower (Allessandra actually threatens this to Kitty in Secret Sub path for just trying to reason with her). That would send the signal to everybody to don't fuck with Olivia if you don't want to get your life ruined and would be very much what a Karlsson would do - also fuck Kitty . But of course I understand how ridiculous forked the game already is and something like this would make it even more complicated. Maybe I am just spoiled because of the amount of forking, that I just wish there would be even more .

Still I am really looking forward to a sub Kane/Olivia relationship. I actually really hope that she becomes more demanding of him, while trying to keep him away from her sisters, because he should be under feet, but her feet .

By the way I can't wait how the secret sub dynamic with Allessandra and Angelica turns out. Angelica dominating them both at the same time just sounds fucking hot .

My main interest in the game is the dynamic between the kind Olivia and the submissive Kane, and as you said, she should be more protective of him. I really missed her in this last update — she was only with him for a short time, and they didn’t have any romantic scene together. I’d love to see a scene where she behaves like Veronica did in this latest update. But it seems Olivia just wasn’t made to be that way.

 

[daffyrolls94]

My problem with it is not that he is tortured (that sounds bad, I mean as in the story ). It is that good Olivia, who wants to try to make the world a better place (as she can say in the conversation with Elena), doing it .

I don't remember that scene but if I were to guess, the "good" choice is a less extreme/more vanilla version of torture which is consonant with what I said about choices.