VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.1] [Hreinn Games]

[Enigmanic]

I really don't think that your conclusions are right here and i wish i was paid to say that.

I'll repeat myself, but again, look at why we are waiting now: Nomo wanted to draw something with Sabia and Amelia because it has been teased for so long. He wanted to make something for this game. And despite all the valid criticism, Monsinne apparently went berserk on writing content for this art, so much so that they moved it up from a bit of sidelined reward to a part of the main story and more.

There is the drive and motivation in the devs. To me it seems they want to keep making this game.

But i understand why i'm in a minority with my views. Coming back again to our current situation: We are waiting for an update to drop. When? No idea. What is in it? Well, some content that we don't know exactly from 0.12 have been carried over and some kind of bar content is being added to it's end as we speak. But what is in the planned part of the patch? No idea.

So we are waiting for an outcome that we can't predict to happen sometime we can't tell yet. Essentially, being invested in this game with either money, time, effort or anything else can feel a damn lot like gambling, hence the feeling of milking.

But i can't assume that this is intentional. Because if it is, then the dev's master plan was to create a bad feeling in the players and patreons in order to get less money. That just doesn't even work for greed either.
In the end it is still a problem that they created and they have to solve it.

I was a supporter since 2017, finally quit out two months ago after an argument with Nomo. You can read back through the rest of this thread to get the 411, I won't repeat everything. But Nomo is full of shit and Monsinne is a lazy writer. They've had four years to do something with this game yet the main story has gone nowhere.

 

[Nayko93]

Could someone tell me if it's it normal that my quest log is always empty ?

 

[Jinnai]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

 

[Enigmanic]

Could someone tell me if it's it normal that my quest log is always empty ?

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

 

[Dante477]

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

I just checked, and the the quest log is working fine (from v.11 to v.12.) So it's not forgotten or abandoned.

 

[bitchass92]

People out here with the hopium.

I"ve got a million ideas for pervy scenes, game concepts, and deliciously kinky twists.

I don't make a patreon, or games, or ask for support because I know I don't have the skills to do much beyond the conceptualizing.

These guys... probably should've pulled the plug last year.

 

[Nayko93]

Yes, that's normal. The quest log was introduced two or three updates ago as a work-in-progress. It's yet another feature the devs have abandoned or forgotten about.

oh okay I'm not here yet



Also I think my game is broken, I'm stuck just before "chaos in the camp"
I take my info from the walkthrough
I've done "Maply & The Hellhound", "The Tentacle Monster", "The Lakelord" and "Raiding part 2" ( well only raiding for Tekrok, because the other 2 won't talk to me ) and I already have 100% Kentark Training, so according to the walkthrough, this should trigger the next quest "chaos in the camp"

but "chaos in the camp" doesn't show up

Also I've found a other quest broken, looking at the walkthough it seem that one of my previous quest in incomplete
In the the "Kia's Lessons" quest , I didn't have the part with Elmy where you ask her some ingredient and escort her
but I could still continue the rest of the quest, until the fight between Lutvrog and Kia
I got the fight and then nothing else, I should be able to visit Kia to continue the quest, but instead when I go to the forest and then Kia's valley , I only have a message that say "....it seemed that she was too restless to talk for now."

I think all come from this, I can't complete the Kia's Lessons quest so I can't trigger the chaos in the camp quest

 

[souldead341]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

So, every report from the discord is that you pretty much get exactly what the public posts are, just slightly more often. "It'll be done soon", "The next update will be faster", "The update will be missing something we planned". Anyone who doesn't stick their head up Hreinn's ass to lick it is also banned / shouted down. So no, AFAIK from what's been posted here being in the discord doesn't help with news at all.

As for the bottle neck, I think their most common claim is coding. But who really knows, since sometimes it seems like they decided that more can be added in an update, which could shift the issues elsewhere.

 

[Jinsoyun]

oh okay I'm not here yet



Also I think my game is broken, I'm stuck just before "chaos in the camp"
I take my info from the walkthrough
I've done "Maply & The Hellhound", "The Tentacle Monster", "The Lakelord" and "Raiding part 2" ( well only raiding for Tekrok, because the other 2 won't talk to me ) and I already have 100% Kentark Training, so according to the walkthrough, this should trigger the next quest "chaos in the camp"

but "chaos in the camp" doesn't show up

Also I've found a other quest broken, looking at the walkthough it seem that one of my previous quest in incomplete
In the the "Kia's Lessons" quest , I didn't have the part with Elmy where you ask her some ingredient and escort her
but I could still continue the rest of the quest, until the fight between Lutvrog and Kia
I got the fight and then nothing else, I should be able to visit Kia to continue the quest, but instead when I go to the forest and then Kia's valley , I only have a message that say "....it seemed that she was too restless to talk for now."

I think all come from this, I can't complete the Kia's Lessons quest so I can't trigger the chaos in the camp quest

Hmm, i tried to recreate your situation.. Got all the quests set up, intentionally left out the part with Elmy and Kia was left there restless. After this, the first time i rested, the Chaos in the Camp triggered for me. The problem must be somewhere, but i don't know yet.

 

[Nayko93]

Hmm, i tried to recreate your situation.. Got all the quests set up, intentionally left out the part with Elmy and Kia was left there restless. After this, the first time i rested, the Chaos in the Camp triggered for me. The problem must be somewhere, but i don't know yet.

Weird... I don't know where it could come from then...
but thanks for testing

Fuck I really don't want to restart all over again , the amount of grind in this game will break my Ctrl key

 

[Enigmanic]

I just checked, and the the quest log is working fine (from v.11 to v.12.) So it's not forgotten or abandoned.

It is abandoned for now. They were supposed to be updating it so it could show all quests when you make a fresh playthrough.

 

[Furabia]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here? The coding? Does anyone know that? I mean, I'm aware that most issues are usually the "behind closed doors" kinda deal, but are they communicating anything to anyone?

I remember supporting them years ago, before their reputation tanked so hard, and even then they rarely posted updates on Patreon. I doubt that that situation has improved, but maybe they posted something to the more "loyal" people on their discord?

Could be just laziness, or greed, who knows.

 

[Shakira]

I really don't think that your conclusions are right here and i wish i was paid to say that.

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern in their activity that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding some new/extra content/feature, improving the game's system or reworking the old content -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to real life problems or extra work caused by their earlier decision -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they have failed to deliver in this fashion multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

 

[Py Ape]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

I'd rather not say anything. Whenever I talk shit my comment gets deleted for trolling or spamming. Idk why, but I agree with what you say.

 

[nyqz]

So what exactly is the bottleneck here?

I don't think there is a bottleneck, I think the whole project has just grown beyond what their small team can easily manage, and it now takes them an extremely long time to make enough progress for each update. Think about it, even if coding was a bottleneck how much time would it realistically add between each update? A week? Maybe a month? Even if there was a bottleneck to fix I don't think it could speed things up a huge amount.

 

[punhetas]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

Spot on
The support platforms and dedicated patrons enable this behaviour.
As long as this attitude is rewarded, nothing changes.
These guys should have had their project shut down ages ago ...

 

[Jinsoyun]

Feel free to disagree with me but if you take a closer look at these developers, you can clearly notice a pattern with them that goes something like this :

Release an update -> Silence for 2-3 months -> Make a post about their progress -> Tell us that they are adding something new/extra, improving the game's system or reworking the old content in the following update -> Silence for another 2-3 months -> Tell us that the update is going to be delayed due to extra work that resulted from their decision or real life problems -> Finally release the update after 5-6+ months -> Promise faster updates from the next time -> Rinse and repeat

They have shown this pattern for a long time now and the delays are only getting worse with each new update. I am not saying that they are doing this intentionally but their actions do not inspire much confidence, especially when they fail deliver multiple times in a row.

If they really want to show their dedication, they need to put their money where their mouth is and deliver faster updates. I love this game as much as anyone on this thread and I would love to be proven wrong but it's naive to be hopeful about this game at this point unless the developers change their ways for the better.

No, i agree with this statement.

Hreinn developed a bad routine or rather they never learned how to do things well after each change they made to the team, engine, etc. Unfortunately they also became so averse to change that they apparently can't even consider positive suggestions either. This hurts their team just as much as it does their players.

I probably didn't express it well enough in my last post, but i simply don't see evidence of malicious milking from them yet. They did bury their heads into the sand for a long time now, but it seems to me that they want to keep developing this game. Regardless, you are right when you say that they have to change their ways, because the current state does not help anyone.

 

[heehatatt]

Just look at their patreon posts. Sep 2021 started work on .13, working on repeatables that didnt get added in .12. Nov 2021 - main quest is completed and .12 content has been added. Dec 2021 - .13 almost done expect it early 2022. Jan 2022 - .13 is almost done only now Monsinne has started to write the third major questline. How the shit does the update go from "almost done" to "writer STARTED writing third main quest"? 2 month silence. Apr 2022 - hey guys .13 is almost done for reals this time we added another cg. Now another month of silence. Should we bother expecting this in May? Who knows. Next patreon post probably going to be something along the lines of "update soon guys new scene is fully coded into the game and the writer has JUST STARTED writing text for it."

 

[Karl Speidel]

Just look at their patreon posts. Sep 2021 started work on .13, working on repeatables that didnt get added in .12. Nov 2021 - main quest is completed and .12 content has been added. Dec 2021 - .13 almost done expect it early 2022. Jan 2022 - .13 is almost done only now Monsinne has started to write the third major questline. How the shit does the update go from "almost done" to "writer STARTED writing third main quest"? 2 month silence. Apr 2022 - hey guys .13 is almost done for reals this time we added another cg. Now another month of silence. Should we bother expecting this in May? Who knows. Next patreon post probably going to be something along the lines of "update soon guys new scene is fully coded into the game and the writer has JUST STARTED writing text for it."

Just dont bother,atleast not here,talk to patreons or on their discord about it to open eyes and make them bleed cash,its for the best to ignore this game for a while until they either get their shit togheter or abandon it,no use losing sleep over it dude.

 

[heehatatt]

Just dont bother,atleast not here,talk to patreons or on their discord about it to open eyes and make them bleed cash,its for the best to ignore this game for a while until they either get their shit togheter or abandon it,no use losing sleep over it dude.

Getting onto their discord or patreon involves giving money to them, again I learned my lesson with regards to this dev.