VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

If everyone stops donating all we'd get out of it is a cancelled game.

Or a better market place where devs are incentivised to stick to schedules instead of milking fanatics that support no matter what or people forget they're a patron of

>Scream to high heaven that you want more communication from the developers

>That communication says something that disappoints you

>"They should just not tell us anything until the update drops."

:/

You must be new here, KoD every cycle; game going well, here is what to expect in next game, game release on X, game delayed until Y, they could literally copy and paste each "communication" and change the preview pics and version number and no one would notice

They should wait until testing is complete to announce to avoid further delays that have plagued development since the beginning = They should just not tell us anything until the update drops

ok buddy

 

[baneini]

It's another impatient teens feeling entitled episode?
Getting tired of this programming.

 

[YungZeus]

How long is the delay supposed to be?

 

[Viressa]

Or a better market place where devs are incentivised to stick to schedules instead of milking fanatics that support no matter what or people forget they're a patron of

A world where patreons are only successful if they produce their art on a strict schedule is a world where basically all of this free art you're enjoying here doesn't exist.

You must be new here, KoD every cycle; game going well, here is what to expect in next game, game release on X, game delayed until Y, they could literally copy and paste each "communication" and change the preview pics and version number and no one would notice

They should wait until testing is complete to announce to avoid further delays that have plagued development since the beginning = They should just not tell us anything until the update drops

ok buddy

When testing is complete and all that's left to do is upload is when the update drops, it takes a half-hour at most to upload a game if you don't have shit internet. If they don't say anything about release dates until they get to that point, it means they don't announce release dates at all, they just drop it the day of. Which would be fine by me, but people like you would be losing your fucking minds even more about it. Be careful what you wish for.

How long is the delay supposed to be?

It's supposed to be no more than 24 hours but we'll see. You know how these things go.

 

[fffffffffffk]

So what actually happened is that one of them accidentally opened the game while pretending to work on a Sunday and it crashed in the main menu so they had to postpone the update another month? This is some Summertime Saga-tier coding and scamming.

 

[johndoe1545]

So someone who have a job that paid by your taxes can call in sick just because he wanted to, or even take annual leave for self recuperating.

But a patreon guy can't get any of those? Geez, and I thought we mods/staff are communist.

 

[fffffffffffk]

So someone who work normal job can call in sick just because he wanted to, or even take annual leave for self recuperating.

But a patreon guy can't get any of those? Geez, and I thought we mods/staff are communist.

Calling in sick if you're not sick is illegal in Europe. An entire team of devs doing a critical bug whoopsie after 4 or 5 months of development is extremely shady too. One might start to think that they don't actually test the game!

 

[drebin]

So someone who have a job that paid by your taxes can call in sick just because he wanted to, or even take annual leave for self recuperating.

But a patreon guy can't get any of those? Geez, and I thought we mods/staff are communist.

Patreon allows you to have a flexible schedule, unless of course you work a regular job at the same time. So they could have taken tuesday off, while working on sunday.
Also they decided on sunday for the release day.

 

[pizbia]

So someone who have a job that paid by your taxes can call in sick just because he wanted to, or even take annual leave for self recuperating.

The idea is that unlike Hreinn they actually work on the other days though.

 

[Bytrain]

I feel like someday they will ban me for posting stuff from their discord/patreon posts. Anyway, here is some update from Nomo

Spoiler: Update info

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[Jinsoyun]

I feel like someday they will ban me for posting stuff from their discord/patreon posts. Anyway, here is some update from Nomo

I hope not. You are probably their best PR manager at this point.

 

[Steiner2137]

I wish they could at least make a post at the beginning and end of a month. Right now we have got 5 posts in 4 months of development Creating a post is not that much right?

 

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

A world where patreons are only successful if they produce their art on a strict schedule is a world where basically all of this free art you're enjoying here doesn't exist.

why did you feel the need to add strict to what I said and make it seem unreasonable? it seems to exist just fine in other artistic industries I'm not saying they NEED to deliver on X date every time or else cancel sub but I mean 4months for 4 cg's and excuses and promises every cycle is getting old, they always blame renpy and coding but refuse to hire a programmer?

When testing is complete and all that's left to do is upload is when the update drops, it takes a half-hour at most to upload a game if you don't have shit internet. If they don't say anything about release dates until they get to that point, it means they don't announce release dates at all, they just drop it the day of. Which would be fine by me, but people like you would be losing your fucking minds even more about it. Be careful what you wish for.



It's supposed to be no more than 24 hours but we'll see. You know how these things go.

I know how they go for hreinn lol, it doesnt seem to be a frequent issue for any other game, especially of this size


but yea given their track record it would probably be best to announce when you're sure it's ready not when you think it is cause anyone whos coded knows that shit always takes longer then you think

 

[Viressa]

why did you feel the need to add strict to what I said and make it seem unreasonable? it seems to exist just fine in other artistic industries I'm not saying they NEED to deliver on X date every time or else cancel sub but I mean 4months for 4 cg's and excuses and promises every cycle is getting old, they always blame renpy and coding but refuse to hire a programmer?

1. It actually works horribly in other artistic industries. As a consumer, you don't get to see all the projects that get started and fail, let alone the immeasurably vaster number of projects that just never get started at all, due to toxic capitalist industry structure. Supporting independent artists whose work can't exist in the usual capitalist mode of production is the entire reason patreon exists in the first place.

If you don't like what's being done with your money, don't pledge. Mass cancellation of pledges isn't going to get hreinn to magically solve whatever behind the scenes problems are causing these long update cycles, it's just going to make them unable to work on the game anymore and kill the project altogether.

2. They actually have hired a programmer.

 

[Anita Deek]

I _KNEW_ this would happen, I knew it. I didn't say anything because I was foolishly _hoping_ that I would be wrong, but as they say, only a fool can't find an excuse.

 

[JasDoc]

1. [...] due to toxic capitalist industry structure. Supporting independent artists whose work can't exist in the usual capitalist mode of production is the entire reason patreon exists in the first place.

You haven't had a sheer 'pleasure' to experience different type of economic system than a mythical capitalism, wherein you truly believe you're living, haven't you?

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

2. They actually have hired a programmer.

Press X to Doubt. I mean, yeah, probably, but I can only roll eyes.

Look, this isn't about schedules as much as properly managing expectations. The thing is, when they set the schedule themselves, they better deliver. This isn't some corporate wage-slaving studio where people are burning out due to arbitrary deadlines some brain-dead honcho has created. No, this is the equivalent of homework "eaten" by a dog. And sure, it can happen, once. But this type of shit is becoming old, fast.

There are ways to communicate in good faith even when the progress is slow (slower than Hreinn's, yes), it's not some voodoo magic. Report regularly, inform of the progress made, and don't tease or hype anything that's not ready to release. But hey, that's poor milking strategy, my bad, carry on with the bullshit.

 

[hakarlman]

People are going to have super high expectations for this update because it took 5 months. It's either going to deliver and be considered a success, or a lot of people are going to be massively let down.

 

[sniffles123]

Having played (and enjoyed) the game since nought-point-two or so, I can only eagerly await the next release, regardless of when it turns up.


That said, having joined f95 and liked about for the past month or so, I feel I must add that the only way the comments of the people could be more effective, is if they channeled Michael Palin and shouted:
"Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Everyone! Can you see? I'm being repressed!"

The only speck of badness I can see is that if the next release comes out 'tomorrow', it'll be the twenty-fourth in my country! Does anyone in the America's or Europe know what that feels like?

It's like having a moderate crap, only to turn around and find the bowl to the brim then screaming at the bastard

WHY DON'T I FEEL ANY BETTER!

Oh well, guess I'll just listen to Pinball Wizard and have a nap.

 

[Anmitsu]

So I woke up and it's delayed? Again? Kek.
I bet their patreons are going absolute nuts now.
It's funny that they found such a serious bug after a month of testing or "testing" rather and just before release too. It's not a AAA game to bug test it for so long anyway lol. Hmm no, I'm sorry but I stopped believing in Santa Claus when I was a kid. What now? They said they'll fix it on tomorrows afternoon but then Nomo in discord post said "if it's good we'll release asap" that could as well mean the next month XD Surely, they won't dare to right? Right? Would be much funnier though, it's already a clown fiesta at this point.