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So, I fail to see how thinking that they could put together a weekly post to update on progress is the exact same as thinking that they should have actually finished bug testing and been ready for release before announcing that release in a week's time. Especially since they have a history of delays, and aren't a large team and have a long history of delays of announced release dates.
I may not like that it's delayed, but it is good that they announced that it'd be delayed. Frankly I feel like they used a limited set of saves to test the update, then someone had the thought that "wait, I forgot we have this entire other route we haven't tested" which broke access to the new content. I understand if it was very specific to a very limited number of routes, but the posts imply (to me at least) that it was something like "Whoops, the content is bugged for anyone who didn't get a perfect result in the arena", as opposed to people who made 8 specific choices in the game.
It suggests only that the date will be 24 september, which is tomorrow. Who knows, maybe.
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The last update came out last night, at like midnight. And it was referring to a later release today. It should drop today if they can figure out the bug. That being said, this bug shit is ridiculous. Idk what programmer or coder they hired, but they don't seem to be doing well. I know you can never avoid all bugs, but massive game-breaking, delay causing bugs should be avoidable.
I'd say it was the new assets and things causing it, but this had happened with like, the last 6 updates, they never come out on time. Hreinn really doesnt have a good track record with bug fixing and on time release.
This is the update post.
Sep 22 at 11:14pm
.9 Delay.
Just an update. We were about to release, but as we were doing extra testing we ran into a big issue that makes progress impossible that we are working to fix. We are working hard to resolve it but unfortunately that means we most likely won't be able to release before the 22nd ends judging by the work needed. It will most likely be resolved tomorrow, so we will have to move the release date by one day, we are very sorry for the inconvenience
It looks like it should be released by the end of today.
I find that really hard to believe. Unless i'm mistaken, intentionally sabotaging a project with intentionally malicious code, then demanding money to fix it amounts to blackmail, which is 100% illegal. I'm not legal expert though, maybe it's different with private projects. It also seems unlikely to me that they would risk their job for such a limited income cap. Working as a programmer for a private hrpg is probably more desirable than a regular coding job, so it seems weird they would jinx it in favor of more money, when they'd probably make more at a normal job. I don't think anyone at hreinn is intentionally malicious, at worst i'd say they may intentionally delay releases to get another round of patreon income. Which is shitty, no doubt, but also could be a result of incompetence as opposed to money-scumming.
As someone who works full time as part of a 10+ person team, projects often get bottlenecked by a single person, and you have to often pick up their slack if you want to get the work done in time. With coding, it's probably the hardest thing to make up, as I'd wager only one of the three team members is an experienced coder. Problems occur at every stage with any project, and constantly harassing people about it rarely makes it go faster, that's why i stopped posting on their patreon page. I bitch on here because I very much doubt hreinn reads this forum, I'd advise them not to, and people who complain on here usually aren't patrons anyway, so i'm just airing my grievances. It doesn't really cause any harm, and it makes me feel better.
Viressa is 100% right though, mass cancellation won't cause they to work on it faster, it'll just slow things down more. It'll only get the game canceled, and with how many trash 3dcg games are flooding the market, it's a good thing to support quality 2d artwork. The only way to speed up progress in my mind would be for them to be able to hire another person, which is way beyond their current financial capabilities.
While it's beyond aggravating to have delay after delay after delay, with literally every update, we just gotta be patient.
At least hreinn sticks to their vision, they haven't completely abandoned all pretense in favor of squeezing as much money as possible out of the last breath of their game. Looking at you, riot games.
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Its a 3 man team now, Nomo on art and the other two doing fuck knows what, I assume one is a writter given siera's depature leaving a programmer who apparently is struggling to code a VN in Renpy lmao
For a video game in Unreal Engine 4, it is advisable to have a small studio.
Most likely, the engine has been improved, which caused bugs.
Most likely, the engine has been improved, which caused bugs.
Hah, thats fair. Tell you what though, i'd wager some people probably believe it.
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Bear with me for the pointless preamble, KoD was a game i supported a few times in early development, and intended to keep throwing some subs every now and then (as i tend to donate to patreon projects by single sub rather than continuous, since i like many projects and don't have disposable income to support everyone).
Before anything else, this post reflects and opinion and is influenced by my personal perception, I want to say i like the creator despite the being a bit disappointed at how the situation turned out and am still hopeful that things will improve.
With that out of the way, i wish to politely disagree with some points being made.
Not every update was disappointing, I for one could accept updates early on as a normal thing since they were starting out, supposedly getting the hang of things on a new engine and laying out groundwork for more and faster content "in the future".
If i had to roughly point out when things started bothering me, i'd say maybe one or two releases before sierra left the project.
After that we had another round of getting used to engines and more assets, and after all that an extra delay.
Also, mentioning a lot of people keep paying for their patreon isn't a great argument when things like malise and the machine kept getting a large number of subscriptions while having nothing to show for it, you can study economy and or sociology to somewhat understand some phenomena that leads to this kind of situation.
A patron asking for results for their investment in an artist isn't unreasonable. Especially when said artist had produced expectations of more and faster content and keeps taking longer and longer for the same/less content.
Hence if patrons are not content it is withing their right to withdraw support until the creator shows that they are actually producing something and actually how patronage as a system is supposed to work (better than the original terms, as kings didn't take kindly to being lead around, tho I would discourage us from returning to barbaric methods even if we could).
That said, I have no idea how big this update is and as such it's a bit too early to draw a conclusion.
For now I am withholding my support (as meager as it is) until my doubts of hreinn are dispelled.
I am somewhat hopeful that this was just a bump in the road as KoD was a notch up in quality to the majority of projects out there.
Bear with me for the pointless preamble, KoD was a game i supported a few times in early development, and intended to keep throwing some subs every now and then (as i tend to donate to patreon projects by single sub rather than continuous, since i like many projects and don't have disposable income to support everyone).
Before anything else, this post reflects and opinion and is influenced by my personal perception, I want to say i like the creator despite the being a bit disappointed at how the situation turned out and am still hopeful that things will improve.
With that out of the way, i wish to politely disagree with some points being made.
Not every update was disappointing, I for one could accept updates early on as a normal thing since they were starting out, supposedly getting the hang of things on a new engine and laying out groundwork for more and faster content "in the future".
If i had to roughly point out when things started bothering me, i'd say maybe one or two releases before sierra left the project.
After that we had another round of getting used to engines and more assets, and after all that an extra delay.
Also, mentioning a lot of people keep paying for their patreon isn't a great argument when things like malise and the machine kept getting a large number of subscriptions while having nothing to show for it, you can study economy and or sociology to somewhat understand some phenomena that leads to this kind of situation.
A patron asking for results for their investment in an artist isn't unreasonable. Especially when said artist had produced expectations of more and faster content and keeps taking longer and longer for the same/less content.
Hence if patrons are not content it is withing their right to withdraw support until the creator shows that they are actually producing something and actually how patronage as a system is supposed to work (better than the original terms, as kings didn't take kindly to being lead around, tho I would discourage us from returning to barbaric methods even if we could).
That said, I have no idea how big this update is and as such it's a bit too early to draw a conclusion.
For now I am withholding my support (as meager as it is) until my doubts of hreinn are dispelled.
I am somewhat hopeful that this was just a bump in the road as KoD was a notch up in quality to the majority of projects out there.
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Everybody knows that once it releases it will still likely be another day before it shows up here right?
based on the fact each previous release has been up within 15 min I dono why you would think that