VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Lycan73]

Just checked out the CGs real quick... is it just me or is this update once again quite disappointing? Not in terms of quality (they look pretty great IMO), but most definitely in terms of quantity. It certainly doesn't feel like 5 months worth of content. Keep in mind I'm only basing this off of the CG's and I have not actually played the new update.

I can only pray that they sort things out and finally start releasing updates at any sort of constant rate... but I don't think it would be wise to get my hopes up given that it feels like we've repeated the same cycle of heavily delayed update with lackluster content for the last few updates now.

That doesn't sound good. I'm yet to play it myself, but from what you and others are saying, it looks like this update's fallen short, too. I'll reserve my final thoughts, though, for until I get to playing it.

By the way, give my regards to Michelle.

 

[TheSexinati]

I believe there is a song expressing how I feel at this moment...

Ah yes, it was also written in the 1200's!


No prisoner can tell his honest thought
Unless he speaks as one who suffers wrong;
But for his comfort as he may make a song.
My friends are many, but their gifts are naught.
Shame will be theirs, if, for my ransom, here—
I lie another year.

 

[Mayhem McGee]

Submissive Sabia still should be a Sabia. I dont mind this scenes later in the game but here it felt that somebody just pulled a trigger in her head

Yeah, that's a big part of it. Sub Sabia is a ruthless warrior thrown into a position where she has to play up her own powerlessness to achieve success. Only, she starts to like it. But, like, all of the material in the last few updates have fuck all to do with that, because she doesn't directly benefit from any of this. She's just kind of a pushover and nothing is goal oriented at all. She's off knee deep in the weeds doing stuff with the thinnest connection to her quest at all. Early period Sabia's actions always had very clear end goals related to power position.

What, she subs to the dumb shaman guy she's pushed around, because she breaks a jar, because wants him to attack stopping her tent but can't find another way, because she wants to control the sex tents, because doing so helps her vaguely motivate the troops more. The thread is still there if you search far enough, but a sense of purposefulness is lost the further off you go.

This is what was lost, even from Sub Sabia. Goal orientation.

 

[AnubiSs2167]

This game needs complete rework of core gameplay. They made it that u need to replay it multiple time to see the scenes, and it doesnt all hang on one decision that u can save before, but whole chapters of gameplay to set up. Yet the game is grindfest slog. No matter how many scenes they add at the end - it doesnt matter. I remmber they promised to add consquences to ur stats in this update, like being groped randomly in bar etc. If there is no porn between main scenes then there is no reason to play other then rush to new content and put the game down. And after u realize that u have to replay the game to get scene u missed - its off to downloading somone else save. Looks like they dont play on implementing it afterall... Should just scrap the whole camp shit and just make it a vn with some meaningless chocies as it already plays like one , just with added roadblocks. This way i can atlest hold ctrl to see new scenes instead of playing this crap.

 

[hakarlman]

Yeah, that's a big part of it. Sub Sabia is a ruthless warrior thrown into a position where she has to play up her own powerlessness to achieve success. Only, she starts to like it. But, like, all of the material in the last few updates have fuck all to do with that, because she doesn't directly benefit from any of this. She's just kind of a pushover and nothing is goal oriented at all. She's off knee deep in the weeds doing stuff with the thinnest connection to her quest at all. Early period Sabia's actions always had very clear end goals related to power position.

But there are loyalty attributes:

- human loyalty
- orc loyalty

If she's submissive, starts to like having sex with Orcs, AND becomes more loyal to Orc, then she benefits by acquiring sexual pleasure in her off time. It's the equivalent of experiencing sexual pleasure with humans after a long days work. Sabia having casual sex with Orcs pushes along the main narrative in the direction of her possibly changing allegiance to Orc.

If she was loyal to humans, then your argument starts to make more sense. If she has very little loyalty to Orc, then like you said, "she has to play up her own powerlessness to achieve success".

These are the four routes that IMO should lead to different scenarios:

-Dom Sabia loyal to human (she has to play up her own powerlessness to achieve success)
-Dom Sabia loyal to orc (let's her guard down with orcs, having casual sex, without being a pushover, her allegiance starts to shift to orc in big way)
-Sub Sabia loyal to human (she has to play up her own powerlessness to achieve success, but she's a push over)
-Sub Sabia loyal to orc (let's her guard down with orcs, having casual sex, but she's a push over, her allegiance starts to shift to orc in big way)

 

[MrChimichanga]

Is the trash orc in this update? I remember someone mentioning him coming back.

 

[Redgy]

But there are loyalty attributes:

- human loyalty
- orc loyalty

If she's submissive, starts to like having sex with Orcs, AND becomes more loyal to Orc, then she benefits by acquiring sexual pleasure in her off time. It's the equivalent of experiencing sexual pleasure with humans after a long days work. Sabia having casual sex with Orcs pushes along the main narrative in the direction of her possibly changing allegiance to Orc.

I mean, there is casual sex and then there is drinking cum from a mug (I'm just really confused how does one get off of that). I don't really know why would she stay loyal to orcs when all they do is call her a slut, a pig, a cumdump ect and constantly harass her. Dom Sabia actually manages to win their respect and her casual hook ups with, say, Lutvrog are a both dignified and pleasurable - she actually has a reason to trust orcs. Why would sub Sabia decide to stay on friendly terms with orcs after so much humiliation and abuse I've no idea. Probably cuz porn.

 

[Netori Popeye]

I mean, there is casual sex and then there is drinking cum from a mug (I'm just really confused how does one get off of that). I don't really know why would she stay loyal to orcs when all they do is call her a slut, a pig, a cumdump ect and constantly harass her. Dom Sabia actually manages to win their respect and her casual hook ups with, say, Lutvrog are a both dignified and pleasurable - she actually has a reason to trust orcs. Why would sub Sabia decide to stay on friendly terms with orcs after so much humiliation and abuse I've no idea. Probably cuz porn.

You're overthinking a smut game is what it sounds like.

 

[aa14]

Man, the new scenes were a bit too much for me. Seems like sub Sabia is suddenly tired of being a strong independent lady and insted ready to.. chug cum and spit. Cuz porn. And it's hot. Apparently. I imagine it only going to get worse for her from now on.

Personally I'm 100% okay with that. Sub Sabia has it coming. She needs a complete re-education from Ornshakar.

 

[YungZeus]

I mean, there is casual sex and then there is drinking cum from a mug (I'm just really confused how does one get off of that). I don't really know why would she stay loyal to orcs when all they do is call her a slut, a pig, a cumdump ect and constantly harass her. Dom Sabia actually manages to win their respect and her casual hook ups with, say, Lutvrog are a both dignified and pleasurable - she actually has a reason to trust orcs. Why would sub Sabia decide to stay on friendly terms with orcs after so much humiliation and abuse I've no idea. Probably cuz porn.

I mean, theirs a reason why it’s called a “sub path”.

 

[Xill]

Sigh, this game was much more organized with Sierra around...

 

[nyqz]

Overall mixed feelings about the new update so far. But I do think that the new mini-cg of Sabia getting groped are a fantastic addition to the game. I'm looking forward to seeing them used a lot more in the future.
I am disappointed though that there aren't any variants for the orc slave outfit, especially since they seem to be more focused on the sub path anyway with this update.

 

[Redgy]

You're overthinking a smut game is what it sounds like.

Yeah, I tend to do that. But not every smut game has to be Milf city - it can also be well written and make sense. I keep hearing that kod was supposed to be that political masterpiece with plot thicker than orc's cum and yet what I brought up can be called character development 101 and yet it's kinda meh

I mean, theirs a reason why it’s called a “sub path”.

You've literally adressed nothing of what said. I'm not sure why you even said it to begin with or what would you like to reply, so have some validation, I feel like you could use it, pal.

 

[aa14]

Yeah, I tend to do that. But not every smut game has to be Milf city - it can also be well written and make sense. I keep hearing that kod was supposed to be that political masterpiece with plot thicker than orc's cum and yet what I brought up can be called character development 101 and yet it's kinda meh

You've literally adressed nothing of what said. I'm not sure why you even said it to begin with or what would you like to reply, so have some validation, I feel like you could use it, pal.

I could chime in a little here as to why a submissive Saba would stay with the orcs. In my circle of friends I've been bullied and humiliated by two people over several years. At first I hated it and tried to avoid them and after awhile I gave up, "submitted" to them and accepted it. I am now an emotional masochist.

I can see something happening similar, albeit more extreme, if I suddenly found myself captive at the whims of a gang of orcs.

 

[jowishg]

Months ago i've heard that this game was great, and everyone was hyped for the new update. Now all i see is that this update sucks. What happenned ? Can someone explain it ?

 

[Count_Chocula]

This game needs complete rework of core gameplay. They made it that u need to replay it multiple time to see the scenes, and it doesnt all hang on one decision that u can save before, but whole chapters of gameplay to set up. Yet the game is grindfest slog. No matter how many scenes they add at the end - it doesnt matter. I remmber they promised to add consquences to ur stats in this update, like being groped randomly in bar etc. If there is no porn between main scenes then there is no reason to play other then rush to new content and put the game down. And after u realize that u have to replay the game to get scene u missed - its off to downloading somone else save. Looks like they dont play on implementing it afterall... Should just scrap the whole camp shit and just make it a vn with some meaningless chocies as it already plays like one , just with added roadblocks. This way i can atlest hold ctrl to see new scenes instead of playing this crap.

Finally someone expresses exactly how I feel about this game. It’s pretty much just a VN that requires meticulously following a walkthrough.

 

[Xill]

Months ago i've heard that this game was great, and everyone was hyped for the new update. Now all i see is that this update sucks. What happenned ? Can someone explain it ?

Basically, the original writer/coder left a couple updates ago, since then the updates have been really small and the writing hasn't been good.

 

[kingpilzi]

hi i didnt play this game since version 0.8.1 so could someone give me a bit of an changelog of whats new (after 0.8.3 ) because i really liked the game but after reading all some recent comments iam a bit shocked (i played the dom part not helping any of the 2 orcs and only fkd the ,,main chars,, )

 

[dariussama123]

Months ago i've heard that this game was great, and everyone was hyped for the new update. Now all i see is that this update sucks. What happenned ? Can someone explain it ?

Over hype problem and negative content/time correlation, how can i summarise this the thing they give probably not worth 5-6 month work (my grammar is terrible so if reading this feels like something like bleach to eyes i apologies ).

 

[hakarlman]

I mean, there is casual sex and then there is drinking cum from a mug

They should let the player choose if she drinks cum from a mug, or directly from the dick, etc. If the game forces a decision you don't like, then the game failed. So you're right to criticize this.

(I'm just really confused how does one get off of that).

Some people like her being humiliated like that, but they should give the player choice.

I don't really know why would she stay loyal to orcs when all they do is call her a slut, a pig, a cumdump ect and constantly harass her.

some women like humiliation, they're massive masochists.

Dom Sabia actually manages to win their respect and her casual hook ups with, say, Lutvrog are a both dignified and pleasurable - she actually has a reason to trust orcs. Why would sub Sabia decide to stay on friendly terms with orcs after so much humiliation and abuse I've no idea. Probably cuz porn.

It's the masochism and humiliation fetish.