TheMagister

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As far as I remember, you can have Sabia be pretty sexless, so I really don't understand your take on the difference. I love NTR, so the fact that anybody can see it in this game (where Sabia is the MC and has no affectionate relationship with anyone) is utterly baffling to me. People look down on Sabia, but she looks down on them just as much (if not more) and can win fights against pretty much all the orcs.
 

Susan Xandera

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I have a pretty good idea of why the game makes me uncomfortable: First, Sabia is human, unlike most any other character she interacts with early in the game past the prologue, which at least for me makes me identify with her more. Almost everyone is a muscle-bound brute and most look down on her or want to take advantage of her. There's also Neve, but she's regularly getting railed by said brutes and in a way serves as an example to Sabia of how she could choose to act in her new community.

Second, she's in a vulnerable situation, especially at the start, which, combined with identifying with the character as mentioned before, puts me in a protective mindset. Yet there's always the temptation to take the easier and more taboo path, especially when it's rewarded with money and other game mechanics.

Third, the story is about Sabia allying with the tribe against her own people, which, even if justified in context, is a pretty NTRish trope.

Obviously it isn't NTR by any conventional definition, but that's just my reaction to the game. I play other female protag games, but this is the only one that sets off my NTRadar like this. Karryn's Prison at first glace has similarities, what with MC being trapped in a building full of lechers, but that game is much lighter in tone, doesn't have the interspecies / culture shock aspect to nearly this degree, and the gameplay loop consists of her beating inmates black & blue by the dozens on a daily basis. Not having to make hard choices in a hard society, with sex as a potential bargaining chip.
Hun, I think you missed the definition of NTR, she's either fucking someone who isn't her lover/spouse or not at all. No such thing as NTR of a species exists unless you're going for a hive mind x hivemind/[insert whatever other party here] or some shit.
 

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I have a pretty good idea of why the game makes me uncomfortable [and here's why]...
That's fair. Those are your reasons and I can respect that.
To others, Pailbat only said that it was setting off his NTR senses, and not saying that there are any. (See this post.)
People look down on Sabia, but she looks down on them just as much (if not more) and can win fights against pretty much all the orcs.
I love this line! :cool: Especially since I like the idea of the be-all, end-all, kickass mofo that Sabia can be despite the familial betrayal and being tossed into dire circumstances hoping for her death. A lesson will be taught for that mistake of casting her aside and she's going to make them pay, dearly. Make them all pay. Sabia is learning; growing, and is becoming stronger and more cunning. What doesn't kill you... Vengeance is a strong motivator after all. :devilish:

Or one can just take the "easier" route, I guess. I won't judge you. Control Sabia the way you want and have fun! :D
 

asgir546

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If it was finished you would have seen the blue flag "completed" over the game's presentation post.
 

Filippa2000

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We arent really done since Sabia coming on top of the village is just the starting point. Imagine the countries and tribes with secret socities that would emerge and try to take down or ally with Sabia. I mean imo we are just getting started lol
 
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sam1545654

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We arent really done since Sabia coming on top of the village is just the starting point. Imagine the countries and tribes with secret socities that would emerge and try to take down or ally with Sabia. I mean imo we are just getting started lol
"Just getting started"... I certainly hope not. If that were the case than our great grandchildren will be the first to see the finished product.
Personally i am hoping for a "Re-vamp" where they get rid of at least half the areas on the map since there is no reasonable chance of them utilizing these areas. Then get back on track with the already established characters/plot. They keep adding new areas/characters with what seems to me no forethought into how they will play into the long game or how they will fit into the story in a meaningful way.
It seems at least to me that the heart and soul have left this game. Folks that have been around for a while know what i mean by that. I used to support the dev but i just couldn't do it any more. I truly doubt the devs are attacking the development of this game with the same zeal they once had. They don't even communicate with their patrons really. There are plenty of 1 man devs or small teams that communicate with their supporters regularly. And IMO when communication all but stops, that says to me that their heart aint in in anymore. Unless there are some serious changes the only end to this i can see is them dropping the game or rushing an ending. Cant realy tell which would be worse considering a rushed end would necessarily invalidate a lot of/most chocies you made in this "choice matters" game. I made a post on this some pages back and since then im even more certain there wont be a happy end here.
 
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"Just getting started"... I certainly hope not. If that were the case than our great grandchildren will be the first to see the finished product.
Personally i am hoping for a "Re-vamp" where they get rid of at least half the areas on the map since there is no reasonable chance of them utilizing these areas. Then get back on track with the already established characters/plot. They keep adding new areas/characters with what seems to me no forethought into how they will play into the long game or how they will fit into the story in a meaningful way.
It seems at least to me that the heart and soul have left this game. Folks that have been around for a while know what i mean by that. I used to support the dev but i just couldn't do it any more. I truly doubt the devs are attacking the development of this game with the same zeal they once had. They don't even communicate with their patrons really. There are plenty of 1 man devs or small teams that communicate with their supporters regularly. And IMO when communication all but stops, that says to me that their heart aint in in anymore. Unless there are some serious changes the only end to this i can see is them dropping the game or rushing an ending. Cant realy tell which would be worse considering a rushed end would necessarily invalidate a lot of/most chocies you made in this "choice matters" game. I made a post on this some pages back and since then im even more certain there wont be a happy end here.
Such games are not meant to be finished, instead to keep the patrons engaged for as long as possible and to generate constantly new ones. Once the coding of the base game is finished, only text and images have to be added in the course of development.
With very few exceptions, most of these games have been in development for 2, 3 or even 4 years, which is absolutely ridiculous given the "content" they offer.
They are the epitome of service games and only there to generate a steady flow of income. It's like EA's wettest dreams come true. A customer with a boner is the best customer u can get.
Anyone who believes otherwise is an unrealistic fool...
 

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What would be reasonable as far as using most of the world map would be to do a final 'recruitment' segment, where you have limited journeys you can make, and you have to go to areas that have been unlocked by choices that you've made in order to gain an ally.

For instance: do you have high Avion relationship? Then going to the Minotaur area could net you a Minotaur unit for the final battle. Do you have a higher human relationship than orc? then maybe going to an allied human governor can get you a human unit to use in the final confrontation. Do you have a high slavery rating and have a positive Kira relation? Maybe you can go with Kira to pick up some cheap slave units that can be sacrificed easily in a hectic moment in the final battle.

A wasted trip to an area that rewards different ratings would limit your chance of success/partial success/abject defeat and game over in the final battle.

A decent way to end the game without having to write years' worth of story for all those world areas.
 
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shinra...

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I seem to have opened a huge ass can of worms with the statement....Interesting lol. Ok so then am I at the end of the content right now because I am on tekrok's route right now and I have reached the part where I have done his raids and there is now an arrow that says base encampment above it and when I go there it just says I can test formations or leave and I do not know how to complete whatever it is I am supposed to do at this point. Anyone know what to do, or am I at the end of the content?
 

BluestSlime

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I seem to have opened a huge ass can of worms with the statement....Interesting lol. Ok so then am I at the end of the content right now because I am on tekrok's route right now and I have reached the part where I have done his raids and there is now an arrow that says base encampment above it and when I go there it just says I can test formations or leave and I do not know how to complete whatever it is I am supposed to do at this point. Anyone know what to do, or am I at the end of the content?
There's a link to a walkthrough/guide on the OP that you can check to see if you've covered everything. It's updated and fairly comprehensive.
 

asgir546

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I think they could finish the game in one year or so by rushing some routes, and instead developing the endings right now. For example with some hidden content, like for example finding the Warchief and siding with him, which will give you huge boosts for the final battle but lock some endings. And giving the slavery and freedom some influence over the world. Like, if they plan a few big battles before the final one, then with freedom you can offer to some women to work in the relief tents. If you instead focused on slavery, you may enslave them instead. Or, if you're submissive enough, you can walk around naked. If you both developped submissiveness and slavery, you'd end up as a voluntary orc slave with a possible twist: you may be given the choice to betray Neve so that she will join you in slavery and if you fail instead end up as her slave. If you're a dominant, but chose Tekrok, then have to fight at the end for your freedom because he will try to enslave you, if you chose freedom and submissive you might end up traveling with an Lutvrog as his mate, etc for the different choices you made. You may also discover the joys of bestiality with Tijana in a cutscene, etc.
 
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Their pace a bit? One update every 3 - 5 months with just minor content isn't quite worth to toss a couple of thousands dollars to them, isn't it?
And as i wrote, after scripting the base game, the frame, there isn't much more script work to do, only pic's in various layer's and text. One or two layer's are easely done in one day and for a complete scene u will roughly need one week. An other week for story, texting and scripting. So there should be at least 5 new scenes for every update, including story and lore...
 
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