Brother Penetrātus
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Anmitsu
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When the developers decide that it's enough scam for now.
Dont mind me guys just casually bleeding into may 
Py Ape
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Why you bleeding?Dont mind me guys just casually bleeding into may
Fanatic Vortex
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Well then i guess we are done atleast on those topics,good that things didnt turn into a balkan war but to sum up my posts: this whole game and devs are a mess,can we agree on the fact that they shouln't get any money until they fix those problems? Or atleast some of them.I didn't twist anything. There was a contradiction, i asked you to clarify it, because there wouldn't be a point in turning a discussion into misguided flaming. Especially a page after the thread got cleaned up.
Anyway, that's right, getting paid to do something and using the money for something else would be really bad. So far there was no indication of anything like this happening here.
I tend to short it down to PR, because that's a term i got used to and my posts tend to be a bit long as you have seen. I just mean basic communication, keeping in touch with the audience, explaining things without overhyping and in general being transparent and honest.
But the thing is: good communication is difficult, and there are a lot of people who are naturally bad at it. Just take a look around the internet, you will find too many examples.
And rehiring Sierra is not going to happen by the info we got. I don't know you well enough yet to claim to know your oppinion about this, but just as a side note she started to work on her own solo game over a year before she quit Hreinn.
The updates are slower than they should be, no question about that.
Obviously i don't know why they aren't hiring more, but i have a few guesses. The first would be money. Right now the team gets something like 1000-1200 per person, which isn't a bad income in some countries, but if anyone is from a richer place, then this wouldn't even come close to being enough as a sole income already.
My second guess comes from my point that the team lacks good management. Right now they have 1 artist, 1 writer and 1 programmer and each of them do their own thing. Would hiring a second writer or programmer speed anything up? Without proper coordination it would only slow things down.
But these are just my guesses from the outside.
And from what we've seen so far, they did recude the scope already, multiple times in fact. Take a look at the slavery/freedom stat. When was the last time anything used that, and even the catgirl enslavement route has been essentially dropped.
Another example is the Dajrab route and as a side bonus, almost certainly the solo route too. Dajrab's route got exactly 2 unique scenes in 0.3 and 0.8. and as far as i remember solo got even less.
So the scope has been reduced, but as you have pointed out, reducing it too much might take away a lot of this game's uniqueness, so that's not a simple solution either.
Fanatic Vortex
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Its gonna be a long may thenDont mind me guys just casually bleeding into may
Evergrey
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hey now......they never specifically said what year, decade, century, millennium of may this will bleed into
Bleh21
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- Dec 4, 2018
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Might just be me but isn't it specifically because dumbass people will support the game no matter what that most patreon devs turn into lazy assholes? I blame the devs less than the porn-addicted stupid people they exploit.
True. If we want an update, we need to stop paying. Pressure of loss of money will make the game go on
Hourglass
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- Feb 26, 2018
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I honestly don't think less support/money would make the creation faster. They are three dudes with afaik normal jobs, who make this game as a hobby. I would like an update every month, too, but I think you guys would be less disappointed if you just accept one update every six months, I know I am.
Filippa2000
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Idk whats going on but with Sierra there were regular updates that had content in them apart from scenes. If you check the dev logs it slowed down after they left and I guess the new team has a hard time coming togheter and pick up from where they left since Nomo afaik is just the art producer and I really have no clue execpt that Nomo apperantly had someone who has been plagued by corona some time ago but other than that idk.
Back
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The prevailing thought is that Sierra and Nomo had creative differences, and Sierra was also busy with her own projects (plural!) and thus she left. Neither Hreinn Games nor Sierra will elaborate further on that front other than that they separated "amicably" on good terms.
Sierra is an excellent communicator as evidenced in her own projects and was pretty good at building up hype talking about KoD despite its complexity and the team was doing a good job rolling out those early updates. They never recovered from losing Sierra as their PR asset.
The "new" team trying to gel together is an oft-quoted excuse since they were basically there since the beginning. Work started for the game in 2016 with Nomo and Sierra, and the first major release was in 2017. Monaco Dingo, a coder if memory serves, and Ndsferrari, the programmer, were part of the team in 2017. MD has since left and Monsinne, the writer, has been with Hreinn Games since 2018 at least but likely sooner when the other guys came on board. They've been using that tired (paraphrased) "the team is still coming together" excuse years after they've formed. This is fact. That grace period is long over.
Re: Nomo - Nomo is the artist, storyboarder, lore creator, and world-builder for the game. It's really his game -- his vision. Nomo went through a very rough time in the spring of 2020. Delays then, of course, were completely understandable. However, it's been over a year and the game has steadily been moving slower ever since. Well truthfully, the game was moving closer to its glacial pace even before then.
That's just the current state of things. The game's development is slow, simply put. And from what we know, with no good reason since Hreinn Games really don't tell us why in an earnest and honest manner. We all hope for the best but fear the worst -- that they're taking advantage of their supporters. If only they communicated better, they probably wouldn't appear quite as shady as some people believe them to be. But that's for each individual to decide if they are or not. I'm just laying down some facts in regards to the team. Alrighty guys, be safe, be kind, and stay awesome. Cheers!
FlyingSpaceRhino
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How long until someone comes along again and says we're not allowed to notice negative things about the game and its development because we're not patrons?