VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Krieger Season 1-6]

I read all of your comments, and I have to say, it wall depends if the CG rip has been updated of not. I downloaded it, and I see literally no change since I last played this game with the walkthrough. If that really is the content then I'm afraid I have to side with all the whinies. Then again, I see there's a new patreon post. So I guess depending on both I might determine if it's worthwhile to become a patreon. Tho judging on what I have seen so far I highly doubt it. The other game also has been milking patreons for the content we pushed during 2014-2018 and since then the content is bad, lame, little and insufficient. So If I don't support that case there, I won't support it here if it's the case here.

Someone mentioned the developer went to a game with lots of gameplay? I most definitely want to hear where or what's the name

 

[ineedaname555]

I read all of your comments, and I have to say, it wall depends if the CG rip has been updated of not.

It's not, use the JDMOD to unlock gallery to see new scenes.

 

[ronadan]

Someone mentioned the developer went to a game with lots of gameplay? I most definitely want to hear where or what's the name

I should clarify that Sierra Lee was the writer, so if you check her other games they don't necessarily have the same art style as KoD

you can check "desecration of wings". completed, good amount of content. but "the last sovereign" will have more for sure. more than 30 hours right now and it's still going on. you can find both here. just search for their titles

 

[Pa3uk]

1 BIG problem - game on Rempy -_- ... if he create MV or VX game would have come out long ago .... Noxian Nights came out - Simple and quite Successful (if it was on Rempy, it was developed for years -_-) ...
In fact, there is more "Contents" in Noxian Nights than here. Soon the 2nd year of the game and it has version 0.11 -_- ........ This is a failure.

 

[Xill]

1 BIG problem - game on Rempy -_- ... if he create MV or VX game would have come out long ago .... Noxian Nights came out - Simple and quite Successful (if it was on Rempy, it was developed for years -_-) ...
In fact, there is more "Contents" in Noxian Nights than here. Soon the 2nd year of the game and it has version 0.11 -_- ........ This is a failure.

It doesn't have anything to do with the engine. I've seen devs using Ren'Py giving out updates 10 times faster than some people do with RPGM, and vice versa.

It's about the people working on the game. There's just no management, who the hell knows what these guys are even doing.

 

[CourierNPC]

1 BIG problem - game on Rempy -_- ... if he create MV or VX game would have come out long ago .... Noxian Nights came out - Simple and quite Successful (if it was on Rempy, it was developed for years -_-) ...
In fact, there is more "Contents" in Noxian Nights than here. Soon the 2nd year of the game and it has version 0.11 -_- ........ This is a failure.

Don't blame the engine, blame the operator.

 

[Py Ape]

Hello. Update when? We go ask on discord? Apes together strong.

 

[Enigmanic]

1 BIG problem - game on Rempy -_- ... if he create MV or VX game would have come out long ago .... Noxian Nights came out - Simple and quite Successful (if it was on Rempy, it was developed for years -_-) ...
In fact, there is more "Contents" in Noxian Nights than here. Soon the 2nd year of the game and it has version 0.11 -_- ........ This is a failure.

This game has actually been in development since 2017.

 

[Pa3uk]

Maybe I put it wrong .... It's just that, in fact, they knew how Rpg maker works, but decided to allocate UNKNOWN places for them ... actually, as an example with ONE1, which decided to release the game on Unity and thus stepped on on a rake ... and these are PROFISSIONALS, they have a lot of work behind them and even they make mistakes ... In short, I'm afraid they won't see the release -_- sorry, but I'm a realist and only see that the Author of this project is simply (extorts) people for money ...
I like Noxian Nights, I can return to the game and I don't get bored ... (+ - once a year) ... but this project does not give any emotions -_- And almost always after the update, the game needs to start from the beginning -_- (and this is the biggest drawback of the Renpy engine, it's easier in Rpg M) ...
p.s. Above I made a mistake by naming the engine Rempy (here I am sorry).

 

[voerman]

It doesn't have anything to do with the engine. I've seen devs using Ren'Py giving out updates 10 times faster than some people do with RPGM, and vice versa.

It's about the people working on the game. There's just no management, who the hell knows what these guys are even doing.

Yeah, I was thinking Good Girl Gone Bad is Renpy. Healslut must be Renpy. People do a lot with Renpy - provided they are a people who are working to do a lot.

 

[Jinsoyun]

Yeah, I was thinking Good Girl Gone Bad is Renpy. Healslut must be Renpy. People do a lot with Renpy - provided they are a people who are working to do a lot.

Or provided that they are able to work a lot.

I know i'm more lenient with the devs than most people here, but in order to have the possibilities listed i think i have to mention this too.
An experienced programer who works on this game full time could get a lot more done, yet each code-heavy update took a significant amount of time and suffered delays. Naturally this shows a lack of management that much is clear and we can make guesses at the other problems (i have and will continue to do so), but it can also point to the explanation that Hreinn's programer just does not have too much reliable free time to work on this game.

I mean it's not unusual for programers to work overtime and in irregular schedules.

 

[psycohunter96]

So to brighet up the mood(If it is even possible with the state of the game...) the new update is close to release! What are your thoughts guys what do you hope to see? Do you think that the update will be at least the work of 4 months(There is no way its gonna be the work of 8 as it should be i think thats obvious). What do you think will it be somewhat satisfieing or will it be underwhelming like the recent previous ones? Tell me what you think

 

[Enigmanic]

Nomo improved some art assets to fix bad-looking scenes from the previous update and prepared some other art assets for repeatable scenes. Beyond that we have no clue if they've actually done much work progressing the story or the subplots.

 

[Joe9ty]

So to brighet up the mood(If it is even possible with the state of the game...) the new update is close to release! What are your thoughts guys what do you hope to see? Do you think that the update will be at least the work of 4 months(There is no way its gonna be the work of 8 as it should be i think thats obvious). What do you think will it be somewhat satisfieing or will it be underwhelming like the recent previous ones? Tell me what you think

My expectations are quite low, not because I'm a critic but for me there was a feeling that this game might be added to the growing list of abandoned games showcased on this site and I think that would be a real shame if that's what happened. The scale of the project is massive and I hope they continue to work on it and stay as true as possible to their original intentions. I would like to see sequels and spin offs coming from this game and there is a lot within the storylines and sub-plots that could be developed much further including the whole Minotaur scenario, which would be a lot of fun. If the update exceeds expectations and delivers improved artwork and storyline progression I will become a patreon in the hope Hreinn have overcome whatever issues they seem to have been having. At that point my opinion will count, as at present it counts for zero given I'm just a freeloader enjoying the labours of others, as are the majority of 'contributors' on here atm.

 

[CourierNPC]

So to brighet up the mood(If it is even possible with the state of the game...) the new update is close to release! What are your thoughts guys what do you hope to see? Do you think that the update will be at least the work of 4 months(There is no way its gonna be the work of 8 as it should be i think thats obvious). What do you think will it be somewhat satisfieing or will it be underwhelming like the recent previous ones? Tell me what you think

Don't think it will be something that I consider "satisfying," but any scene available in the new update is welcome than another 6 to 10 months of radio silence at this rate.

 

[CourierNPC]

Maybe I put it wrong .... It's just that, in fact, they knew how Rpg maker works, but decided to allocate UNKNOWN places for them ... actually, as an example with ONE1, which decided to release the game on Unity and thus stepped on on a rake ... and these are PROFISSIONALS, they have a lot of work behind them and even they make mistakes ... In short, I'm afraid they won't see the release -_- sorry, but I'm a realist and only see that the Author of this project is simply (extorts) people for money ...
I like Noxian Nights, I can return to the game and I don't get bored ... (+ - once a year) ... but this project does not give any emotions -_- And almost always after the update, the game needs to start from the beginning -_- (and this is the biggest drawback of the Renpy engine, it's easier in Rpg M) ...
p.s. Above I made a mistake by naming the engine Rempy (here I am sorry).

Most of us prefer that they show competence, integrity, and professionalism in their work -- but if you can milk the project dry and make people happy at the same time, why bother doing that? Hreinn's been radio silent for most of the year and people still clinging to a false hope that an update soon will arrive.

Hreinn said their latest update for 2021 should be in April, then postponed to May, and from May... now we're in September. That's about five months of work and tonnes of updates, patches, etc. if it were from other developers.

 

[Umbra.Nox]

competence, integrity, and professionalism

That, from some common people? I don't really expect any of that, it's rare to see competence, professionalism is for professionals, and integrity... from such random people? No matter how much you pay, money won't make people create better, it's not the only thing everyone is lacking to become good. You can even say there should be a limit on how much donations they should get until they improve personally. I'm talking obvious flaws here, like being lazy for no reason.

The onlyyyy thing i ever want of them is to just do anything. Be silent, lie, but deliver good stuff. Instead they're probably doing the same as i did once in the college - they have a simple job, like just sit and write for a bit, but instead can't stop spending time on fun, leaving it at the very end of the deadline. No real malicious intent, like stealing your money, and they probably understand well that it's very simple to spend at least hour or two per day, try to, but don't do anything at all, can't collect themself.

Nomo doesn't look like that, at least, because we can see the job being done. Also maybe he knows that counting on them writing would be wrong, so he decided that there's no need to make too much of quality arts for now. I also remembered people have relatives and love interests, and even friends... That's a lotta imperfections that can draw their attention away from the game, having thousands of dollars of income. Or imagine if i'm wrong, and we'll get a v.0.20 right now, 8 hours of new content..!

 

[ronadan]

That, from some common people? I don't really expect any of that, it's rare to see competence, professionalism is for professionals, and integrity... from such random people?

can't say I'm not having the same cynical outlook on the matter, but expecting those from the creators of freaking Noxian Nights (one of the better completed 2D western H games) is not that far-fetched. personally I think in the end KoD won't recover from the impact of losing Sierra Lee and Nomo, willing or not, won't be able to continue the project without her. But I'm just a pirate watching things from afar and judging without knowing anything, so I hope to be proven wrong

 

[Enigmanic]

I want to be optimistic, I've been supporting KoD nearly from the beginning. But these are the facts:

- Nomo really is a fantastic artist. He deserves credit there, he's one of the best 2D artists I've seen. (..and I've been following erotic art and animation as well as adult games since at least 2014.)
- Sierra Lee is one of the best erotic writers on the planet. She could be writing fantasy erotic novels and make a killing.
- Despite the game containing no animations and the fact that the protagonists were girls from LoL, Sierra's writing and Nomo's art made Noxian Nights the wonderful game it is.
- Kingdom of Deception started out strong but Sierra Lee left due to "creative differences". The game never recovered. The current writer is simply not even close to SL's league. The main story arc has crawled along at a snail's pace and the character development has been weak. Furthermore, the dialog is weak and immersion-breaking. Too often, characters fail to speak like people in a medieval setting. Instead, they talk like regular people here in the real world in the modern day.
- The devs spend too much time trying to add erotic content and have done almost nothing to advance the story in over a year while most of the side-story arcs have stalled.

In closing, I have lost faith in this project. It is clear now the devs have no idea where to go with the story. There's plenty of erotic content out there, this game isn't worth following nor are updates worth waiting for until the devs get their acts together and find a decent writer.

 

[EpicReee]

Despite the game containing no animations and the fact that the protagonists were girls from LoL, Sierra's writing and Nomo's art made Noxian Nights the wonderful game it is.

What do you mean "despite"? That's EXACTLY why it was amazing. Animations are almost always (99 out of 100) cheap loops and in the very best case don't add anything of real value, in the worst case (again, almost always) make it feel cheap and make it look worse. + the protags being girls from League is a big plus.

In any case tho, I hope Sierra and Nomo didn't part ways on negative terms and Nomo can still ask her for some advice, like "Hey sorry to bother, but how would you let this part play out?" or something to that effect. Wonder if Nomo ever thought of that.