VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Anmitsu]

Last day of may and still nuffin about bonus pack?

 

[baneini]

These threads sure slowed down after that 1 guy left the development team and presumably took the fans with them.
The amount of patrons didn't change much tho so thats interesting.

 

[souldead341]

These threads sure slowed down after that 1 guy left the development team and presumably took the fans with them.
The amount of patrons didn't change much tho so thats interesting.

Not really, It's just that there's basically nothing to talk about until whenever they release any info / a new update. There's a fair bit of discussion that pops up from time to time otherwise, but that's mostly along the lines of when's there going to be new info.

 

[Black fire eruption]

Hey dose any one have a new mega link to the bonuses the one in the op is dead

 

[ahrimansiah]

It has to happen unless you're happy with orc sprites with human hair and clothes pasted over them.

It's a necessity for areas that aren't orc territory. Any new area is going to need at least a few characters to populate it, and any area with different races will need characters of that race. These characters don't necessarily have to be important in the long term or appear outside a specific area, they just need to give those areas some distinction.

what u are talking about are NPCs and we can have some new male in fact we really do need new human/orc and other races male characters, THIS characters whoever looks more like side story characters such as cat girl and orc girl! which obviously lead to sex interaction with same copy paste spirit with hair different male characters which u did mention, its not a bad thing but it will delay the main story and reduce the amount of focus which can be putted on story characters which we have ALREADY!
i do believe such story characters which are for "being fucked role" should be added once main story have ended!
other way this only increase the work for the team and increase the chance of the game to be either abandoned or lead to weak story and plot (lets be honest this game have nothing except ART and STORY! there is no hot animation or 3d model so PLOT matters alot) !, and lets face it! ALL ADULT games have a high chance of being abandoned the longer they take due to many reasons!
and this game is too good, i dont wana see it abandoned or ruined down to a casual harem adult game

 

[Anmitsu]

I just wish they would have continued making RPGM Noxian Nights games, it was 10x better than this game.

It's good to see they are pivoting a bit and making it possible for Sabia to be more sub... Always seemed so strange for her to be in the position they wrote her into and have her be so dom towards an army of orcs while she was all alone.

Hopefully they improve the game, but I think I would rather see them wrap it up and go back to a more RPG type game.

I agree with you.
This game has great art, a better art and feels more polished but at the same time Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me.
There's a sub route but it doesn't feel like sub route at all. She's alone in a fucking Orc camp for fuck sake! She should be getting dicked every morning and night.
Oh and there's waiting for new updates few months, doing nothing but clicking to skip dialogues and lack of communication.

 

[Wyrdsmithe]

I agree with you.
This game has great art, a better art and feels more polished but at the same time Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me.
There's a sub route but it doesn't feel like sub route at all. She's alone in a fucking Orc camp for fuck sake! She should be getting dicked every morning and night.
Oh and there's waiting for new updates few months, doing nothing but clicking to skip dialogues and lack of communication.

Misogyny much?

 

[561397]

Bonus packs are out. Please let there be a generous soul who will share.

 

[ahrimansiah]

But it's not really misogyny though is it?

I mean if you look at how the story is written... They make it clear she is very vulnerable, she is alone in a camp of orcs, and in this world, orcs force themselves on women all the time, it is how they wrote their world. Orcs are not bound to any code of honor that prevents them from raping women, and they are not disgusted by humans either... They are only rapists when it is convenient to the scenario.

I am all for having a fantasy setting where the player decides if the protagonist is a slut or fights away her way out of non consensual sexual situations. But that is not how they handle it in this game. In this game, Sabia is alone in a camp that has utter contempt for her, yet many of the orcs comment on how good she looks. When she first arrives she is a weak fighter, and the game is designed to make her lose early encounters until you grind her into a more formidable warrior.

But even before she works herself into a fighting machine (which itself is surprising because we are lead to believe she is some respected fighter among humans, yet incapable of winning fights when you start), she gets herself out of NC situations simply by having a defiant attitude and slapping hands away...

It was just bad writing. Not the player's misogyny.

If you are going to have a female protagonist that can rise above the scum in early game, show us why... Don't paint your other faction as brutal rapey thugs, throw your gorgeous scantily clad female hero into a camp with hundreds (thousands?) of them, and then have her simply weasel out of all sexual situations simply because she holds them all in contempt, even though she can't fight for shit. All while she struts around the camp like she owns the place and knows the orcs can't do shit about it... GIVE US A REASON why she can behave this way and not get treated like these orcs treat other women, lol... Have the chief declare no one is to touch her in the opening or something, and then make it clear that those who do are at high risk of being killed by the leader.

It's just some stupid sex game though so none of us should be getting worked up over this crap. All some of us are saying is, they made a game with humiliation and rape as major themes... And they have a protagonist who acts more like she is in a post suffrage society or even a modern world instead of what the authors present to us. It's just silly, especially considering it is a game catered towards the NSFW crowd.

The cognitive dissonance in this game is glaring, and it just drags down the experience. Even though it is a sex game, at least try to have some consistency in the world you create.

There are just so many ways they could have handled Sabia better, what they actually do just makes aspects of the game meh. Riven and the world she was in was written better, Noxian Nights knew what it was... We play these games for their pornographic nature, not for some soapboxing.. It's like they decided to shoehorn in half baked ideas for characters that do not at all fit into their surroundings. You want a strong woman, that is good - build it into the game in a more convincing manner, plus it isn't going to win you any awards with the twoX crowd, it's a fucking sex game full of rape and bestiality ffs...

dont you think that would make it way boring and bland? if the female only get dicked by orcs every second of the game and act as a fuck meat that will kill the whole mood of breaking her or her submit into being an orc whore!

 

[BleepRose]

But it's not really misogyny though is it?

I mean if you look at how the story is written... They make it clear she is very vulnerable, she is alone in a camp of orcs, and in this world, orcs force themselves on women all the time, it is how they wrote their world. Orcs are not bound to any code of honor that prevents them from raping women, and they are not disgusted by humans either... They are only rapists when it is convenient to the scenario.

I am all for having a fantasy setting where the player decides if the protagonist is a slut or fights away her way out of non consensual sexual situations. But that is not how they handle it in this game. In this game, Sabia is alone in a camp that has utter contempt for her, yet many of the orcs comment on how good she looks. When she first arrives she is a weak fighter, and the game is designed to make her lose early encounters until you grind her into a more formidable warrior.

But even before she works herself into a fighting machine (which itself is surprising because we are lead to believe she is some respected fighter among humans, yet incapable of winning fights when you start), she gets herself out of NC situations simply by having a defiant attitude and slapping hands away...

It was just bad writing. Not the player's misogyny.

If you are going to have a female protagonist that can rise above the scum in early game, show us why... Don't paint your other faction as brutal rapey thugs, throw your gorgeous scantily clad female hero into a camp with hundreds (thousands?) of them, and then have her simply weasel out of all sexual situations simply because she holds them all in contempt, even though she can't fight for shit. All while she struts around the camp like she owns the place and knows the orcs can't do shit about it... GIVE US A REASON why she can behave this way and not get treated like these orcs treat other women, lol... Have the chief declare no one is to touch her in the opening or something, and then make it clear that those who do are at high risk of being killed by the leader.

It's just some stupid sex game though so none of us should be getting worked up over this crap. All some of us are saying is, they made a game with humiliation and rape as major themes... And they have a protagonist who acts more like she is in a post suffrage society or even a modern world instead of what the authors present to us. It's just silly, especially considering it is a game catered towards the NSFW crowd.

The cognitive dissonance in this game is glaring, and it just drags down the experience. Even though it is a sex game, at least try to have some consistency in the world you create.

There are just so many ways they could have handled Sabia better, what they actually do just makes aspects of the game meh. Riven and the world she was in was written better, Noxian Nights knew what it was... We play these games for their pornographic nature, not for some soapboxing.. It's like they decided to shoehorn in half baked ideas for characters that do not at all fit into their surroundings. You want a strong woman, that is good - build it into the game in a more convincing manner, plus it isn't going to win you any awards with the twoX crowd, it's a fucking sex game full of rape and bestiality ffs...

Jesus Christ so many words for nonsense. It's made clear through out that the orcs aren't rape monsters and have standards amongst themselves. That's just what the humans think of them. That's why they removed the initial rape scene from the game because it didn't fit the tone. You're not engaging with the actual text and instead you've created a whole thing in your head.

 

[Wyrdsmithe]

To add on to what others have said (thank you by the way!) - the phrase I was most calling out was "Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me."
It's really hard to frame that as anything but a misogynistic phrase.

If you want a rapey gangbang-y game, more power to you. I enjoy that kind of stuff when properly set up and I know nobody is actually being harmed in real life - much as I'm a pretty ardent feminist, I have my fantasies of heavy submission, breeding, all that fun stuff. But very clearly the tone of game they intended to create is not one where the protagonist and women in general get raped left right and center - and even then, they have the (quite nice) bad ends for that sort of content.

And, as others have said, it's clear the orcs A: Respect someone who can handle themselves, which Sabia evidently can, and B: aren't bloodthirsty slavering beasts. The female orc who shows up in camp is quite clearly very well respected - even if lusted after - and we see no evidence of her requiring protection. Were this my own work, I would probably have written something about Sabia - if not a mage herself, having received some sort of magical enhancement to boost her strength, speed, and endurance - to explain why she can take on heavily armored enemies and giant muscle bound orcs the size of grizzly bears, but that has nothing to do with her being female.

But I digress. I think the world is fairly well realized, and Sabia is well on her way to becoming an interesting character.

All that said, I am very much looking forward to getting to sub the fuck out of her to the shack man Ornshakar.

 

[Skarfaze]

Anyone feel like posting the update post ? would be much appreciated.

 

[Anmitsu]

Misogyny much?

No, reality much.

dont you think that would make it way boring and bland? if the female only get dicked by orcs every second of the game and act as a fuck meat that will kill the whole mood of breaking her or her submit into being an orc whore!

Good, that's what the sub route is for.

Jesus Christ so many words for nonsense. It's made clear through out that the orcs aren't rape monsters and have standards amongst themselves. That's just what the humans think of them. That's why they removed the initial rape scene from the game because it didn't fit the tone. You're not engaging with the actual text and instead you've created a whole thing in your head.

Sure and earth is flat buddy.

I'm a pretty ardent feminist

I think that's all I need to read.

Btw to all of you - I don't care if I'm being "misogynistic". I just want the things from this game which work for me the best, same thing everybody here wants.

 

[Viressa]

"I wanted this game to be Noxian Nights 2, and I am very very mad that it isn't that! I *demand* the team change their creative vision in order to cater to my boner in partcular!"

 

[Jarrik32]

Btw to all of you - I don't care if I'm being "misogynistic". I just want the things from this game which work for me the best, same thing everybody here wants.

Then find a game aimed at filling that niche, it's one thing to offer constructive criticism about issues in the game. It's another to endlessly complain that the game is intentionally doing something completely different to what you want as a stylistic choice and outside of non-canon bad ends or variant scenes never will.

I don't like horror movies, never will. It would be ridiculous in the extreme for me to buy a ticket to a horror movie; go to watch the film. Then complain that it's a horror movie.

On the topic of the orcs I don't really see the dissonance. It's been made pretty clear that while the orcs are rude; crude and like being so that doesn't mean they are rape-monsters who revolve around kicking puppies and were fairly egalitarian. Yes the MC is vulnerable; but the vulnerability comes from loosing her political power and resources not from worrying that any second she'll be swarmed and gang raped. Sub or dom the entire story revolves around twisting the tribe around to serve her purposes and recover the power she lost. The only difference is how they do it -Dom appeals to the orcs might makes right, winning is almost all that matters mentality- Sub revolves around using the needs of others to control them while leaving them convinced it was their own idea.

On continually beating larger and heavier opponents. Well it's fiction; reality need not apply plus this happens all the time for male characters and is rarely commented on.

 

[YungZeus]

So...when’s the update?

 

[Heliophorus]

Anyone can reupload bonuses? I'm not sure if I have them all.

 

[Anmitsu]

"I wanted this game to be Noxian Nights 2, and I am very very mad that it isn't that! I *demand* the team change their creative vision in order to cater to my boner in partcular!"

I'm not mad and I don't demand anything. I don't think I even have the right to demand something from them as I don't support them in any way. I'm just stating my opinion and point of view about what I'd prefer as well as pointing out what I think are the weak spots. I'm not hating this game in fact I like it very much. So why are you trying so hard to demonize me?
Same to you Jarrik32.

 

[Hoppy]

does anyone has a link to the complete walkthrough???

 

[Cormac]

Bonus pack link?