VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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FlipFish

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klick said:
I really don't like how people are talking as if games with interesting settings and plots, deep and developing characters, and depth of story, and games that feature high levels of lewd and naughty content are mutually exclusive. They're not. At all.
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Adult games can be great stories and experiences that transcend the initial allure of adult content they offer, I don't think anybody is saying it's not possible. It certainly is and I've played plenty of games where this was the case, but I fail to see how this applies to KoD. I don't know what version of this game some people here played where it was apparently some narrative masterpiece but I've been following this game since pretty early on and I've never once played anything more than a game with an mediocre political intrigue/revenge plot and nice art.
 
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manscout said:
Care to recommend some? I really like The Last Sovereign but aside from it I can't say I have found many adult games with "great stories".

There are some great slice-of-life ones like Good Girl Gone Bad but those usually lack the depth of story, and then you have a lot of japanese titles that have "epic" stories but the characters and the world-building are absolute crap.

I remember trying Roundscape Adorevia once but the beginning bored me out of my mind, maybe I just picked a bad start but I didn't go far with that game. Tried Seeds of Chaos as well, found it a bit more interesting but it seemed like a lot of the content was restricted to cuckholdry and submitting to your comically evil demon overlords, it seemed like the game did allow you to resist and undermine them but I was afraid there wouldn't be much content down that route, also got a bit overwhelmed with the whole conquest map since I didn't know if I was supposed to try to do well or do poorly on purpose to properly undermine the demons.
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Depends what you're into. A lot of the games I play aren't even translated in English(but thankfully a few of them are getting translated). My personal favorite is the Rance series though I suppose that one isn't really fair because the world, stakes and characters develop over the course of several games. There's such massive library of H games that giving you recommendations off the top of my head is kind of tough, not to mention these are games that I consider good and of course that's going to be very subjective.

So I don't end up going off topic, let me say the I'm not shitting on KoD by means, It's still easily one of my favorite games in terms of western games, but I simply never understood the praise that the political aspect of the game or Sierra's writing in general gets.
 
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FlipFish said:
Depends what you're into. A lot of the games I play aren't even translated in English(but thankfully a few of them are getting translated). My personal favorite is the Rance series though I suppose that one isn't really fair because the world, stakes and characters develop over the course of several games. There's such massive library of H games that giving you recommendations off the top of my head is kind of tough, not to mention these are games that I consider good and of course that's going to be very subjective.

So I don't end up going off topic, let me say the I'm not shitting on KoD by means, It's still easily one of my favorite games in terms of western games, but I simply never understood the praise that the political aspect of the game or Sierra's writing in general gets.
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Alright, fair enough. I will keep the Rance series in mind, thank you.

I think people just praise the "political" aspect of KoD because that's what was advertised in the patreon description, as far as I'm concerned the main thing it was getting done to make a great story was the world-building, which I feel is one of Sierra's strong points. The characters were okay in design and had potential, and the idea of playing as a character that starts as an imperialist racist snob was interesting, but then the game kind of stagnated. It had the stage set for intrigue but it just never blossomed.
 
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Yeah it felt like it was just starting to get good (terrible raid minigame aside) with 0.5 and then Sierra left, leaving 0.6 as a sidequest-only update and 0.7 and 0.8 with a completely different tone and new direction for the story. It just makes me sad thinking what could've been. Ah well.
 
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Pineapple on Pizza!

How dare you bring this subject up in here... Know you not that Pineapple Pizza is heresy of the highest order, that it is worse than even that depraved spectacle of hand-holding!
 
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WiccaWicked said:
By my understanding, "checking and tweaking" is typically last step-tune up type stuff. That's taken them over a week? Christ, how much do they need to check? Hopefully that means lots of content and not poor work pace.
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Most likely they mean they're doing internal bug testing: Since this update adds a ton of new code and other crap, it's not surprising it's taking a while.
 
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Viressa said:
Most likely they mean they're doing internal bug testing: Since this update adds a ton of new code and other crap, it's not surprising it's taking a while.
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Except that their last few posts have been that they're "tweaking" IIRC. So it's really been about a month+ of "tweaking" the game that they've claimed to be working on. Though that might depend on exactly what you count as tweaking (I personally would say it's last minute typo / word choice changes and minor changes to art work, not bug testing. If you're bug testing, you say that you're bug testing, if you're adding artwork still that's what you're doing, exc.)
 
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Viressa said:
Most likely they mean they're doing internal bug testing: Since this update adds a ton of new code and other crap, it's not surprising it's taking a while.
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That's fair. I tried coding in college and I was hopeless at it, so I can't comment on how hard it is. If this update adds new framework for for scenes and mid speech content, I'm all for the wait. I just wish they would be more specific about why it takes so much time. I can't fathom a reason not to be transparent with all update progress. I like what summertime saga does with the constant progress bars.
 
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WiccaWicked said:
That's fair. I tried coding in college and I was hopeless at it, so I can't comment on how hard it is. If this update adds new framework for for scenes and mid speech content, I'm all for the wait. I just wish they would be more specific about why it takes so much time. I can't fathom a reason not to be transparent with all update progress. I like what summertime saga does with the constant progress bars.
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It's only hard because they didn't do it at the start of the project.
 
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It's only hard because they didn't do it at the start of the project.
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I wonder if they didn't change their plans halfway through. If they intended to make it how it's "going to be" after this update, then they should have just built it like this from the start. I'm more inclined to think they started it as just nn but with original characters, but Sierra wanted to write an actual story, and when she left they just decided to go back to nn, but go ahead and use the framework they were making anyway. Not that I'm complaining, in my mind, story is the icing on top a core sponge of scenes and artwork. If things become just, more and better nn, I'm all for it. Look at four elements trainer, it's basically 4 books of the same writing and art, but new scenarios, and it's doing hella well.
 
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