VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Enigmanic]

Damn is it really that bad? What's wrong with it? I haven't actually played the game in a long time, so I don't know.

Anyway, I never liked the idea of sub-dom paths, it's just more work and less unique scenes. Sub path was always going to be difficult to pull off given the game's theme and Sierra's departure just made it worse.

Sub/Dom routes in adult games can definitely work if it's carefully planned out and well written. Unfortunately KoD is plagued by lazy writing and a general fanbase of supporters who lack the courage and integrity to stand together and speak out about it.

If you follow the Dom route it's done reasonably well. Sabia uses her defiance and cunning to manipulate people into helping her achieve her goals. The downside is that there aren't enough decent Dom sex scenes.

If you follow the Sub route Sabia pretty much becomes a pushover and a whore. She tries to aim for her goals, sometimes getting by on pure luck, but mostly she just gets raped or gangbanged at every turn.

 

[savagesix]

I just saw an update in my feed that someone just tagged this game bestiality and I was really confused because for a second I conflated this with Noxian Nights and couldn't believe it hadn't been tagged that already

And then I got even more confused after I realized which game was which, because there's been beast scenes in this game for years also.

 

[Cerneu]

I just saw an update in my feed that someone just tagged this game bestiality and I was really confused because for a second I conflated this with Noxian Nights and couldn't believe it hadn't been tagged that already

And then I got even more confused after I realized which game was which, because there's been beast scenes in this game for years also.

Yeah, I was drawn into this thread by the sudden bestiality tag. From what I've read, it seems to point to some scenes featuring a Hellhound? Are they good and is it worth it downloading this game for just that alone?

 

[Enigmanic]

Yeah, I was drawn into this thread by the sudden bestiality tag. From what I've read, it seems to point to some scenes featuring a Hellhound? Are they good and is it worth it downloading this game for just that alone?

Not really. You have to do some work to finish a couple quests before you can get to the first sex scene with the hound. I'm personally not a fan of bestiality. As far as I can tell, the artwork was well done but the writing is mediocre.

 

[borkenone]

it seems to point to some scenes featuring a Hellhound?

there was also a scene with the Manticore monster before it somehow turned into a monster girl, if I remember correctly

 

[Xill]

Damn is it really that bad? What's wrong with it? I haven't actually played the game in a long time, so I don't know.

Anyway, I never liked the idea of sub-dom paths, it's just more work and less unique scenes. Sub path was always going to be difficult to pull off given the game's theme and Sierra's departure just made it worse.

Well, in the dom path, Sabia hardly gets fucked, Orcs and thugs or w/e for some reason cum as soon as they see or touch her.

If you want a path where Sabia just wants cock, you'd think that'd be the sub path but oh no. She just gets raped, not that text helps, because it makes you think that she both likes and dislikes it.

There was hope for the sub path in the previous update where she could lead orcs in her tent and have normal sex with her where she enjoys it, but that's nowhere to be seen in this update.

 

[borkenone]

There was hope for the sub path in the previous update where she could lead orcs in her tent and have normal sex with her where she enjoys it, but that's nowhere to be seen in this update.

Yeah the scenes in this update feels more like what you'd get trying to go the dom path but failing dom test.

 

[KoterKarl]

I was hoping the dom path ends up with her growing a cock herself. Guess that's not happening?

 

[Enigmanic]

I was hoping the dom path ends up with her growing a cock herself. Guess that's not happening?

No, but iirc during the tense discussion(argument) in the dev's Discord a while back concerning Sierra Lee's departure I think someone mentioned that was one idea SL had for the story.

 

[Retromancer]

Damn is it really that bad? What's wrong with it? I haven't actually played the game in a long time, so I don't know.

Anyway, I never liked the idea of sub-dom paths, it's just more work and less unique scenes. Sub path was always going to be difficult to pull off given the game's theme and Sierra's departure just made it worse.

If you want a path where Sabia just wants cock, you'd think that'd be the sub path but oh no. She just gets raped, not that text helps, because it makes you think that she both likes and dislikes it.

Yep, the Sub path is a rape-fest. If Sierra was around she could have made the path interesting but the current hacks writing the game have no interest in it as you can tell for yourself from the bored and lazy writing. It's rape, rape, rape. I don't mind some non-con stuff but this is just way too much, and it's completely idiotic in the way it's written. There's no way to save this path, it's terrible and because dumb patrons will riot if it gets cut, the devs will not have the courage to start focusing on the plotlines that might make more sense, streamline the game and push out updates faster

 

[Umbra.Nox]

Yep, the Sub path is a rape-fest. If Sierra was around she could have made the path interesting but the current hacks writing the game have no interest in it as you can tell for yourself from the bored and lazy writing. It's rape, rape, rape.

Eh, wasn't it Sierra's idea to have rape at the very beginning of the game? I'm pretty sure there was something about it, that Nomo or someone else argued and removed it to have smooth and slow pacing instead.

Anyway...

If you told me that this had been put together at extremely short notice I would believe you.

Yes, this looks EXACTLY as if they were working at the game exclusively around the deadlines. I finally got around playing and apparently unblocking f95(site isn't blocked, but the parts are, which made it nearly unusable), wanted to agree with you a lot of time ago. Since i do scenarios in different games, with different amounts of coding, i'm sure i can say that this shouldn't take anywhere near to 9 months of work. Without inventing any new code, without having to draw pictures, only taking and inserting them in a very simple way, copy and paste lines at worst... Well. At least this doesn't look malicious, looks more like a student syndrome - leaving everything on the very last moment.

Sure hope they'll stop with that, realizing the consequences of losing such easy work to this kind of weakness, and will start to do updates a bit more consistently.

 

[souldead341]

Eh, wasn't it Sierra's idea to have rape at the very beginning of the game? I'm pretty sure there was something about it, that Nomo or someone else argued and removed it to have smooth and slow pacing instead.

No idea on who wanted to implement the initial rape scene, but I honestly don't buy that it was only removed for pacing. It was removed right around when patreon started cracking down on certain types of adult content, like bestiality and rape. I don't recall if Hrienn ever got flagged for review specifically, but removing a rape scene from the very beginning of a game is a way to hide that the content is in the game, since I doubt patreon would dig very far into a porn game to search out later scenes' content (kinda obvious since so much rape is in later game scenes.)

 

[Rule97]

honestly i saw the cg scens from 0.10 onwards and honestly, even if its daring from me to to say so without context, most of them are just repetitive and not that good frankly, which is a shame this game could ahve been great but between the great drop in writing and a somewhat lack on quality, im not sure it is worth keep checking up for it, hopefully devs reconsider a lot of things and change their mindset regarding what game they want to make

 

[Retromancer]

Eh, wasn't it Sierra's idea to have rape at the very beginning of the game? I'm pretty sure there was something about it, that Nomo or someone else argued and removed it to have smooth and slow pacing instead.

I don't know whose idea it was to have the rape scene at the beginning of the game, and I don't think we will ever know. But that wasn't my argument, so thanks for ignoring it. My argument is that the sub Sabia path is a moronic fucking rapefest and that it would have never degenerated into this stupidity if Sierra was still the writer. It's just terrible "me fuck Sabia because she wet slut for Orc (Minotaur, whatever) dick" dialogue over and over, with Sabia at first hating being raped then accepting it. It is terrible storytelling because the same shit happens over and over again. Say what you want about Sierra's games, but they aren't this dumb.

 

[zenetx]

I respectfully disagree that the sub path is a rape fest. Except one unavoidable groping here and there, you can dodge most of the sexual assaults, especially the heavy stuff. How disingenuous is to choose Terok, agree with dubious rituals, or pick "Let him/they have his/their way with you" at every possible opportunity and then complain it's a rape fest.

Also, I don't think the writing is that bad. It's at least better than 90% of the stuff on this website.

 

[Tripfriend]

It's pretty obvious the sub path is about Sabia getting fucked over and/or being too meek to stand up for herself since it makes a good contrast with the dom path. This isn't a case of wanting your cake and eating it too, the sub and dom path are pretty much opposites.

 

[Retromancer]

I respectfully disagree that the sub path is a rape fest. Except one unavoidable groping here and there, you can dodge most of the sexual assaults, especially the heavy stuff. How disingenuous is to choose Terok, agree with dubious rituals, or pick "Let him/they have his/their way with you" at every possible opportunity and then complain it's a rape fest.

This is fair. I did go down those paths, following the walkthrough. But here is the point. This is an H-game. To say you could avoid almost all scenes by not seeing them means you will miss them. Then what is the point? Good art? I won't see it it. Good writing? I'm sorry, you and me may differ but it doesn't grab my interest at all the way it did when Sabia was acting as a sort of courtesan to the different orc lords. One big change that you brought up was Tekrok, before the change he seemed to think that a submissive Sabia could be useful to him. Now he just basically arranges for gangrape? And acts like a bad parody of a wife-beating crimelord? To cover up for a conversation? It's just colossally stupid planning and makes the character seem dumb. Also he forgot about it the next day which is next-level dumb. It's just bad writing.

Hey, if this is the direction the patreons want to go then fair enough. My point was cut the submissive path entirely. Get the game done quicker and without the cringey writing. If there are no scenes then the sub route offers very little

 

[jefferydomm]

Help please I'm stuck. I'm helping elmy trying to get her a discount. And I have completed all other events up to this and talked to everyone in all the town's and camps. Nothing!

 

[Madm]

YOo guys i need some help i am stuck at bandit camp raid i can not get pass it. It says i they are organized and i need someone's support

 

[Zapdosmoltres1]

Yay, finally a new update!