VN Ren'Py Law School [S2 Ep.4 v1] [MisterMaya]

[TonyMurray]

Same, ever since I played EP2 I thought her character arc was gonna be her falling in love with us and slowly changing to be a slightly better person with the goal of joining our group of friends, it seemed to fit her with how much she was looking at us during that party we had.
It will be weird if she reverts to what she was back in EP1.

I could genuinely see her joining the group of friends right now. By that I mea, I can see it working, with where she appears to be in her attitude, and some careful hand-holding and explaining to the group. I don't expect it to happen though, or certainly not for a fair while yet, if it does.

 

[cxx]

untagged lesbian ntr shit between the teacher and the librarian, fucking barf

just fyi, lesbian sex isn't ntr, possibility for 3some.

 

[TonyMurray]

just fyi, lesbian sex isn't ntr, possibility for 3some.

I mean, you can have your wife/girlfriend stolen away by another woman, so lesbian sex can be NTR. It isn't here, because you don't have any sort of relationship with either woman at this point, and neither of them is stealing the other away, so the guy who posted the original comment is completely wrong as well.

 

[jak1165]

Yeah but people are weird about NTR and call things that are definitely not NTR, NTR.

 

[cxx]

Yeah but people are weird about NTR and call things that are definitely not NTR, NTR.

that they do, can't be helped.

 

[TonyMurray]

Yeah but people are weird about NTR and call things that are definitely not NTR, NTR.

As per the example above.

 

[Zorro#34]

As per the example above.

I mean, maybe he's in love with Selena and so feels ntr-ed when Caroline fucks her?

Edit: Also, it'd be real nice if there's an option for a Selfish MC - Danielle - Selena threesome on Danielle's path. Because fuck Caroline.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Yeah but people are weird about NTR and call things that are definitely not NTR, NTR.

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[grarg]

As mentioned in the game, Liam has traumatic past experience so his reaction is purely based on instinct and not something that is logical. Trying to use logic to make your point is simply pointless. You are free to agree or disagree with his reasoning, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't something that he could control.

Nonsense.

For someone who wrote essay about English in AVN thread, you don't seem to pay as much attention when it comes to reading. The conversation was this:
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Clearly, Vicky was referring to the coffee that John was talking about when she said "can you get me one?" For you to understand it as the cigarette is baffling.

Clearly, I read a singular sentence differently. No need to be baffled.

Considering the noun and verb in the same sentence is "smoking" and "cigarette", it's obvious she's talking about someone getting her "a cigarette" to "go smoke". Clarity is very important in storytelling, and hard when grammar is off.

For example, if she was referring to a question "Do you want X", the simple answer would be "Yes." Or, "Yes, I want X". Or, "Yes, I'd like an X." Then, when you start another preposition, you do so in a different sentence, not the same one. So "Yes, I'd like a coffee. Also, anyone got a smoke?" Instead, it's a statement of a future preposition unrelated to the question, followed by an answer to a question.

It's baffling to me that people would talk and sound like that.

You try reading and writing down all the "ahahah" and "ahaha!" and see how your brain does.

Miranda is not deaf.

Right. I fixed it to mute.

This is silly. Not every person needs to have their own style. People share their style all the time based on numerous reasons such as culture, age, gender, social circle, etc. It's much weirder to see all characters talking differently as if they share nothing other than the English language.

If you want characters to sound unique, they do.

That doesn't mean they can't share some mannerisms. But unfortunately they all sound the same.

Do all the people in your existence sound the same? Quite sure everyone walks and talks differently.

 

[grarg]

Silence! lol Olive is legitimately one of the most realistic characters Ive ever encountered in an AVN. I've mentioned this before but I basically met a girl exactly like Olive in college, except her fun facts were exclusively "Why everyone should be a vegan". She was actually extremely cute and hilarious but clearly had a touch of the tism and did not seem to understand that not even social situation is the time for "Well actually, free range chickens are not free ranging".

I don't mind the silly random fact bursts.

But for someone so secluded and shy, she seems to have some explosive reaction to people looking at her screen. Especially to someone she likes and trusts.

It doesn't seem logical someone tied so closely to her camera and computer, that she would kick them away, as opposed to half a dozen other activities she could do to hide her screen.

So here we have a 1) ridiculous kicking action of a laptop (and how you literally kick a laptop in your lap, and sever the screen in that fashion I have no idea), 2) the power is still on, and 3) an impossible repair job which turns Thomas into some witchcraft Macgyver.

Outside of Miranda's condition, Olive is the most unrealistic character in the story (a horse causes her personality to change?) It's random; even the MC is baffled. Well aside from Samara, and her face getup, of course.

 

[grarg]

This is just a rebranding of Chick/Dik/Neutral and that cut off possible LI. I think people are just complaining that some parts of its inner workings are not immediately obvious or come with 3 clearly labeled choices

Smh some of you

It is certainly a variation on BAD's DIK/Chick score. I prefer it, as it makes individual choices be simpler toward the situation, or more private or beneficial for the MC. Makes sense within learning to be a lawyer.

I am concerned about being locked out, however, since a lot of the selfless choices seem to make more sense in most situations. For example, if you want to be Selfless and pursue Aurora later on, it seems like she's now kicked out of school, and makes a bet to forget about the MC?. The system would be against you, simply for being Selfless to Aurora.

 

[Niuul]

Nonsense.

Is it really that far fetched to think that if someone had been harassed and bullied most of their life by a certain type of person (tall/muscular/imposing/etc) for being gay they'd be more inclined to shut them down immediately, and just outright not want anything to do with them?

Is it kinda prejudice/judgemental? Sure. But in Liams mind he's just stonewalling to save himself from the likely harassment for being gay yet again.

 

[Skylaroo]

Clearly, I read a singular sentence differently. No need to be baffled.

Considering the noun and verb in the same sentence is "smoking" and "cigarette", it's obvious she's talking about someone getting her "a cigarette" to "go smoke". Clarity is very important in storytelling, and hard when grammar is off.

Clarity is fine when people read the conversation rather than choosing to treat it as a singular sentence as if it is not part of a conversation. It is baffling why it's such a difficult sentence to understand when pretty much everyone else is fine in understanding the conversation.

Let each character have their own style, lingo, mannerisms, vocabulary, emotionality.

That doesn't mean they can't share some mannerisms.

Ah, sorry. Clarity wasn't good enough in the original quote. I misunderstood that you meant they can still share some mannerisms.

 

[grarg]

Is it really that far fetched to think that if someone had been harassed and bullied most of their life by a certain type of person (tall/muscular/imposing/etc) for being gay they'd be more inclined to shut them down immediately, and just outright not want anything to do with them?

Yes.

Is it kinda prejudice/judgemental? Sure. But in Liams mind he's just stonewalling to save himself from the likely harassment for being gay yet again.

"My brothers were big and teased me for being X. I'm going to not trust anyone who's big!"

Seriously. That's the reasoning. Every gym goer, every body builder, every guy or girl with some musculature is potentially going to treat me poorly? Bullying?

Sure, a traumatized person of anything would have some trepidation. But the MC is talking to Liam in the simplest, most unprovocative way. If the topic was sexuality, that could be different. Did Liam not talk to anyone else who flexed a bloody muscle before? Didn't Liam mention gay men are even dirtier in their conversation? What's the issue?

But even if the topic was sexuality, adults, and people learning to become lawyers, would not even come close to this reaction. Especially considering how friendly the MC and his group are. This is some childish stupidity and makes little sense.

And people with family quickly grow up and learn that brothers and sisters are different from others, regardless of how they teased each other growing up. Combine that with: 1) being adult, where Liam must have interacted with hundreds of people by now of different shapes and sizes on much more mature topics, 2) being in an academic setting where such bullying behaviour would get you expelled, 3) the MC acting and sounding totally normal to him and others that he can observe publicly. It doesn't make any sense!

And Liam is gay. So, wouldn't he be attracted to a nice, muscular man around his age, being cordial and friendly for a change? In public? Is Liam so biased toward appearances, he can't understand human behaviour? Athleticism bad? (Is our MC one big giant jock only into heterosexual sex, who hates the gays?) While studying to be a lawyer, who needs to learn to read people, and understand laws, how they're applied, and communication?

And, come to the live conclusion that there are many people in the world who look and act differently? The way anyone else would, regardless of all this discipline and knowledge in law? What motivation would someone ever want to bully Liam in this scenario?

No! No, I'd say this is pure stupidity. Either characterization or character. Fine for a character flaw, I suppose. But sounds like it'll just be some obstinate bias that amounts to not much.

 

[grarg]

Clarity is fine when people read the conversation rather than choosing to treat it as a singular sentence as if it is not part of a conversation. It is baffling why it's such a difficult sentence to understand when pretty much everyone else is fine in understanding the conversation.

Context is very important. I chose a random example to showcase the author's style and grammar, with a somewhat static character in Vicky. With proper grammar -- as I hope I've demonstrated -- it could be read as if it were only to be interpreted as part of a conversation.

Ah, sorry. Clarity wasn't good enough in the original quote. I misunderstood that you meant they can still share some mannerisms.

There are many ways to give people their own voice (vocab, sentence structure, tone & style, etc.) Dialogue allows the writer to break some rules for phonetics. It's a natural thing for people to question what someone said, how they said it, and to repeat or learn that word and how to say it, in not the most grammatically correct way. The "ahaha"s, and "ahah!"s, and "ah-ah!" was horrible reading after the first 20 minutes.

Which would've been a cool thing for a character like Olive. Pick any date experience where she's forced to interact with people. She's got her trivia quotes. She isn't good publically and stammers a bit. But, she seems to be more a "Schrödinger's Fish-Out-of-Water", than a character who's going to learn new slang and mannerisms based on player choices and environment.

So when people are giggling and laughing with each other, differently, it would certainly be a nice change of pace, considering how many characters there are, and are from different backgrounds. Which is certainly what MM is at least trying to do. For example, imagine Elsa with a southern accent.

Ahaha! and ahah! (x50) doesn't exactly cut it.

 

[Gormius]

Incest?

 

[Gobugobu]

At first I liked Miranda and Elsa, but as the story progresses I'm starting to be attracted to Aurora, who I didn't have a very good impression of at first.

At the end of Episode 3 I'm playing the "Altruistic" route, so I intend to choose Elsa, but I think I'll go back to my save data and start over from the point where I can choose Aurora.

There are so many attractive Lis that it would be difficult to see all of their routes.

 

[MiltonPowers]

At first I liked Miranda and Elsa, but as the story progresses I'm starting to be attracted to Aurora, who I didn't have a very good impression of at first.

At the end of Episode 3 I'm playing the "Altruistic" route, so I intend to choose Elsa, but I think I'll go back to my save data and start over from the point where I can choose Aurora.

There are so many attractive Lis that it would be difficult to see all of their routes.

Makes much more sense on this thread.

(Don't worry, I've done that before too).

 

[TonyMurray]

Context is very important. I chose a random example to showcase the author's style and grammar, with a somewhat static character in Vicky. With proper grammar -- as I hope I've demonstrated -- it could be read as if it were only to be interpreted as part of a conversation.

There was nothing wrong with the grammar, you just have to read the whole thing - which is always recommended regardless. Personally, if it were "can you get me one" meaning "a cigarette", that would be a poor bit of grammar, but that isn't what it was, so it's all okay.

Incest?

Not here (or in the tags, which are a great place to check first).

 

[Niuul]

Yes.


"My brothers were big and teased me for being X. I'm going to not trust anyone who's big!"

Seriously. That's the reasoning. Every gym goer, every body builder, every guy or girl with some musculature is potentially going to treat me poorly? Bullying?

Sure, a traumatized person of anything would have some trepidation. But the MC is talking to Liam in the simplest, most unprovocative way. If the topic was sexuality, that could be different. Did Liam not talk to anyone else who flexed a bloody muscle before? Didn't Liam mention gay men are even dirtier in their conversation? What's the issue?

But even if the topic was sexuality, adults, and people learning to become lawyers, would not even come close to this reaction. Especially considering how friendly the MC and his group are. This is some childish stupidity and makes little sense.

And people with family quickly grow up and learn that brothers and sisters are different from others, regardless of how they teased each other growing up. Combine that with: 1) being adult, where Liam must have interacted with hundreds of people by now of different shapes and sizes on much more mature topics, 2) being in an academic setting where such bullying behaviour would get you expelled, 3) the MC acting and sounding totally normal to him and others that he can observe publicly. It doesn't make any sense!

And Liam is gay. So, wouldn't he be attracted to a nice, muscular man around his age, being cordial and friendly for a change? In public? Is Liam so biased toward appearances, he can't understand human behaviour? Athleticism bad? (Is our MC one big giant jock only into heterosexual sex, who hates the gays?) While studying to be a lawyer, who needs to learn to read people, and understand laws, how they're applied, and communication?

And, come to the live conclusion that there are many people in the world who look and act differently? The way anyone else would, regardless of all this discipline and knowledge in law? What motivation would someone ever want to bully Liam in this scenario?

No! No, I'd say this is pure stupidity. Either characterization or character. Fine for a character flaw, I suppose. But sounds like it'll just be some obstinate bias that amounts to not much.

You should really stretch before reaching that hard next time. Kind of a big difference between teasing and outright malicious intent. But you do you. Everyones entitled to their own interpretations I suppose.

I for one think it's completely within the norm for a stranger to stonewall someone because of extremely bad experiences for most of their young life. Plus from a writers stand point it comes with the added benefit of maybe a future point of contention for the MC to flex his lawyering muscles to help Liam in some way in future updates.