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Oh, they are most definitely on my todo list.Hey MiltonPowers I know how much you love twins, how do you feel about triplets?
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I disagree with most of these.
Taylor gets written off, comes back, and tells everyone off but a non altruistic, into her MC? Maybe if she's medicated.
Miranda- same thing, if she gets written out of the story for a while and comes back...what, a rethinking of how she feels about MC while she was away? Where she didn't actually observe him at all and has no basis to change her thoughts? Even if it's some kind of plot device like "I have to do something related to law/music/Sienna and won't have time for a relationship" unless you're on her path doesn't make sense because it can't explain how she suddenly has time if you are on her path.
Rose- I don't know what you mean here...she waited too long despite confessing to the MC and then took it back because he's not neutral enough?
Spoilering Aurora since Ep 3 shenanigans.
Aurora, I can see, because she's set up at the end of ep 3 to be in a place where she's not supposed to be with MC, and if he's "too good" she might not make the effort. Part of what made Aurora great was the conflict of their styles though.
It sounds like you're trying to talk about what the MC can do to get out of relationships and I don't think that's ever been a problem. The issue has always been that eventually, MM is gonna lock our personalities in, and the girls will cut us off. The speculation is on how the different ways the girls would do that since right now, a lot of them wouldn't do it without the need for psych evals.
Miri in isn't in love path but i sleeped with her,i don t think the dev want totally locked the other girls path.
In the other game, (you know the one) how much locking out did your alignment actually do? And it wasn't until the end of Episode 2 that it locked in. I legitimately don't think that being too Altruistic will lock you out of Miranda, for example. Maybe I'll be wrong in 12 months but right now I think they're more like guidelines than actual rules
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Yes, we've brought that up before. You can get 90% of the gallery completely ignoring your personality because nothing is super tied to it yet. The only things you can miss are exclusive choice scenes (Wet Nightmare vs Wet Dreams, Make love, not war vs Study Buddies, and Risky Plays vs Peeping Toms). The rest are things you can pick up with proper choices regardless of your intended personality. I'm not gonna bring up the special images because I don't think they are relevant.
Almost all the LIs have a score variable set, yet only Taylor's comes up, and it's to give you a negative if you make a particular choice. The girls don't have "routes" yet. We just know from the phone, and from the dev's earlier communication, that girls are going to be tied to a particular personality style of the MC. Past that it's all speculation until he clears it up.
I would love it if MM came in tomorrow and clarified the personality system. I would also love it if they were just guidelines but if that's the case, it sounds like extra work for nothing. As for that other game, being "selfish" in it lead to getting locked out of 3 of the LIs but the writing was on the wall with it since they treated you differently if you were "selfish." It wasn't some 180 personality shift.
In the other game, at least two paths are entirely exclusive, regardless of personality. Like you cannot have both the rich girl and the teacher and that becomes very obvious
The other game very cleverly avoids a conflict between two potential LIs with a throuple and another potential roadblock is removed with one immediately going "we can just be fuckbuddies"
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I've mentioned twice that this is gonna end up nuked but since you keep bringing it up, I'll just deal with it later.
Maya and Josy were in an already existing relationship and however complicated it was, being a DIK removes you from it, you simply cannot be with them when the choice comes up if you're in that track. The jokes and flirts also hurt your score with Maya if you're a DIK in the first few episodes, though it's not like score is used.
Jill also drops if you are a DIK, though it's much later on, and she spent most of the game treating you differently, because your dialogue was slightly different or delivered in such a way that made her uncomfortable. Doubly so if you somehow disappointed Bella along the way.
None of that happens here. Aurora is Aurora, she fucks the MC if he goes to her room in ep 2, she fucks the MC if you go along with it in Ep 3. It has nothing to do with your personality and everything to do with if you clicked "yes to smash" basically.
Miranda is Miranda. She flirts with the MC, she has constant internal monologues about how great the MC is and even at the end of ep 3, is still pining after him, regardless if he is altruistic, neutral, or selfish.
Longwinded just to say, when it's time to route, either there's more to this or we are about to get some weird swerves. Since Ep 3 just came out, I trust MM to eventually explain what the upcoming crunch will mean in more details.
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The only way I see some of those LI turning the MC down will wind up having absolutely nothing to do with his alignment at all. Like for some reason if you aren't Neutral then Miranada's condition might worsen and she'll start pushing every one else away. But again... that really has nothing to do with the MCs personality and even if it did, why would Altruistic be the one to get pushed away.
MM is really gonna have to do some writing gymnastic to make a lot of those make sense in the coming episodes.
Funny I sent him DM to say it’s sad we can’t pick which girls we want to romance.He putted a like on my DM I wonder what he mean lol
Just finished E3.
These three girls displayed per path are surely a bummer, still better than a single one I guess, but we still have to wait and see how this actually plays out as a possible last-girl-standing mushy romance scenario. And I thought college life is all about having fun with no feelings attached just like what the mature Lana mentioned until it got sadly quiet with her after the beginning of E2.
I only wished Rose would always be an option no matter what. Fang Li would have been a much better neutral option than Rose but the poor girl still didn't receive much attention yet.
I can only hope it will still take a while until someone has to skip like 2/3 fun due forced limits per episode.
The current lewd amount of about 50% per game day is already somewhat low, so cutting this down to even 1/3 and less doesn’t sound like a lot of fun left to enjoy in the end. Such lingering feeling of decline is ruining the fun right from start.
Oh well, let’s see what the future will bring.
These three girls displayed per path are surely a bummer, still better than a single one I guess, but we still have to wait and see how this actually plays out as a possible last-girl-standing mushy romance scenario. And I thought college life is all about having fun with no feelings attached just like what the mature Lana mentioned until it got sadly quiet with her after the beginning of E2.
I only wished Rose would always be an option no matter what. Fang Li would have been a much better neutral option than Rose but the poor girl still didn't receive much attention yet.
I can only hope it will still take a while until someone has to skip like 2/3 fun due forced limits per episode.
The current lewd amount of about 50% per game day is already somewhat low, so cutting this down to even 1/3 and less doesn’t sound like a lot of fun left to enjoy in the end. Such lingering feeling of decline is ruining the fun right from start.
Oh well, let’s see what the future will bring.
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Seems my rating review was deleted because it referenced BAD? Oh boo hoo.
Well, here's my review of Episode 3.
Olive is Chaos
What is going on?
She's either dumb or another even dumber comedic goofball character like Rose?
But even the MC is like "You're a completely different girl." The question is, which?
"There's a lot of work still to be done" Huh? Are we going to change her personality? Is this a path for her?
Then you can give her her first kiss, and she follows it up with trivia about kissing. Okay, so Olive is a shut in female persona with random ideas and feelings about everything. She's too excited, and her brain is going in multiple directions at once.
It's pretty wild. It makes some sense. (This is no different than explaining a Joker plot. Why is he doing things? Because he's crazy. Works for psychos whose intent is chaos, but not so much with coming of age-shut in-book smart-trivia girl that the writer is just throwing characterization around randomly for comedy.)
Computer Weirdness
Weird when talking to Thomas to not look at the contents of the computer, when about to fix the screen being taken apart. (And it was on all this time?) Why would he even do that? Or even able to if Olive is so intelligent she'd have user/password protected it? It's a hardware problem, not software. Obviously, he's going to turn it off and on again. Why didn't they turn it off before handing it to him? Wouldn't it already break a circuit with the screen dislodged?
Gay Man Nonsensically Hates Big Guy
The fact Liam doesn't like the MC is just silly, so I'm assuming there's more to it. Strong guys are bad? Is Liam an idiot? I thought this story had intelligent people trying to be lawyers.
The weird transition animation of...touching a cigarette
Jessica's cigarette finger animation...what? Who does this? Why? How? What was MM thinking? Just have her flick a cigarette butt.
(Also, nice meta commentary on the decorations for a new place and all the silly junk that goes into it, like "Home word" asset paintings in Daz3D.)
Samara needs to go to a cosmetologist or an exorcist.
Samara is great as the overbearing rich queen trope, but her eye-line makeup is just...weird. Especially for someone so rich and refined? Her lip piercings are 2x more than enough, and I'm not sure that's even a cultural thing. Here's hoping she drops some of the face hardware and paint after a dramatic arc or two, preferably with the MC telling her off.
Is drawing on the back of Miranda's iPad with stickers a good idea, really, MC?
And Samara's eye makeup is different again.
The Great Voice Problem
Then we have a general problem with most stories: one voice. Every character sounds the same. Even the gutturals and laughs (I think they're laughs? Oh boy, more on that later.) Now, if the writer had a better command of the English language, then that would be fine. But most AVNs are dialogue heavy. So tone, mannerisms, and phonetics are important.
For example
Vicky is going to go do a thing...with something she doesn't have yet? No one announces this, then asks for it, or even thinks like this.
It could be "Hey, does anyone have a cigarette?" Even if she's just doing this to get attention from Alan, Alan would respond positively. Even "I want to smoke, but I don't have a cigarette. Anyone got any?" would work, but it's stiff and stilted.
Oh wait, Vicky is chill and uses slang? See, this is the problem.
The tone is off (an emotion etc.)
The language/pronunciation style is off (formal/informal, personal, guttural, action, nasal, etc.)
The vocabulary is off (simple, plain, slang, sophisticated, etc.)
And thus, everyone sounds the same.
Everyone needs their own personality and way of speaking. And with Olive being Chaos, only the stands outs (Rose and Aurora) have some uniqueness to them.
To fix this, get other people (or ask AI) to re-write dialogue for each character. Let each character have their own style, lingo, mannerisms, vocabulary, emotionality.
For example, Miranda can do all sorts of grunts because she's mute. It's also great we have 3rd person omniscient with her thoughts, so it works out okay for her. But that's not speech.
Alan is also a standout because he at least calls nearly everyone a different nickname. Sadly it barely happens in Episode 3.
But
What is the Great Ahaha! List, you ask? I think it's laughing. I think it's characters going "Ah" or "Ah Ah." I think it's them doing other things with their gut or nasal passages. But I can't be sure. The phonetics don't make much sense, if any.
I started writing down all the times every character makes an "Ahahah", "Hah", "Tss", "Mmmh", or other form of dialogue, that just doesn't make sense, doesn't sound right, or makes you question your sanity on what the hell is going on in each scene.
I've limited the sentences to avoid spoilers, but you can see what I mean on sheer repetition.
Too many vowels.
Too many consonants.
Sometimes, I can't make any sense.
More weirdness
The "Excuuuuuuse meeee?" from a customer, just use "Excu-use me?" You don't need multiple vowels.
Taylor "I went to Stocklinburg, but he went on a road trip around Central America." So, Zoey from BAD on her Interlude, and Taylor's our MC?
And how Thomas backed up a f****d SSD he "recovered and cloned" onto a one he had lying around, and fixed the detached screen, is witchcraft. Maybe add magic school to the genre tags.
Well, here's my review of Episode 3.
Olive is Chaos
- Olive kicks away a computer laptop, instead of hiding the screen, alt tabbing, or just shutting the laptop. Yes, it's explained immediately after, and she's super shy...but not around the MC? But admits it to him, as if she's not super shy?
- Then she admits she's into erotic photography and gets immediately embarrassed? What?
She's either dumb or another even dumber comedic goofball character like Rose?
- Splendid? I...who says splendid while closing their eyes and so excited they squeeze their fists? What personality or mannerism is this? Her personality is all over the place.
"There's a lot of work still to be done" Huh? Are we going to change her personality? Is this a path for her?
- Olive then immediately thanks and hugs the MC.
It's pretty wild. It makes some sense. (This is no different than explaining a Joker plot. Why is he doing things? Because he's crazy. Works for psychos whose intent is chaos, but not so much with coming of age-shut in-book smart-trivia girl that the writer is just throwing characterization around randomly for comedy.)
Computer Weirdness
Weird when talking to Thomas to not look at the contents of the computer, when about to fix the screen being taken apart. (And it was on all this time?) Why would he even do that? Or even able to if Olive is so intelligent she'd have user/password protected it? It's a hardware problem, not software. Obviously, he's going to turn it off and on again. Why didn't they turn it off before handing it to him? Wouldn't it already break a circuit with the screen dislodged?
Gay Man Nonsensically Hates Big Guy
The fact Liam doesn't like the MC is just silly, so I'm assuming there's more to it. Strong guys are bad? Is Liam an idiot? I thought this story had intelligent people trying to be lawyers.
The weird transition animation of...touching a cigarette
Jessica's cigarette finger animation...what? Who does this? Why? How? What was MM thinking? Just have her flick a cigarette butt.
(Also, nice meta commentary on the decorations for a new place and all the silly junk that goes into it, like "Home word" asset paintings in Daz3D.)
Samara needs to go to a cosmetologist or an exorcist.
Samara is great as the overbearing rich queen trope, but her eye-line makeup is just...weird. Especially for someone so rich and refined? Her lip piercings are 2x more than enough, and I'm not sure that's even a cultural thing. Here's hoping she drops some of the face hardware and paint after a dramatic arc or two, preferably with the MC telling her off.
Is drawing on the back of Miranda's iPad with stickers a good idea, really, MC?
And Samara's eye makeup is different again.
The Great Voice Problem
Then we have a general problem with most stories: one voice. Every character sounds the same. Even the gutturals and laughs (I think they're laughs? Oh boy, more on that later.) Now, if the writer had a better command of the English language, then that would be fine. But most AVNs are dialogue heavy. So tone, mannerisms, and phonetics are important.
For example
Vicky is going to go do a thing...with something she doesn't have yet? No one announces this, then asks for it, or even thinks like this.
It could be "Hey, does anyone have a cigarette?" Even if she's just doing this to get attention from Alan, Alan would respond positively. Even "I want to smoke, but I don't have a cigarette. Anyone got any?" would work, but it's stiff and stilted.
The tone is off (an emotion etc.)
The language/pronunciation style is off (formal/informal, personal, guttural, action, nasal, etc.)
The vocabulary is off (simple, plain, slang, sophisticated, etc.)
And thus, everyone sounds the same.
Everyone needs their own personality and way of speaking. And with Olive being Chaos, only the stands outs (Rose and Aurora) have some uniqueness to them.
To fix this, get other people (or ask AI) to re-write dialogue for each character. Let each character have their own style, lingo, mannerisms, vocabulary, emotionality.
For example, Miranda can do all sorts of grunts because she's mute. It's also great we have 3rd person omniscient with her thoughts, so it works out okay for her. But that's not speech.
Alan is also a standout because he at least calls nearly everyone a different nickname. Sadly it barely happens in Episode 3.
But
- Elsa, Taylor, and Samara should be refined, intelligent, and formal. Same with Mike.
- Elsa, should sound more mature.
- Olive and Rose have a similar tone; Olive is wild with technical facts and emotional jumps, while Rose is more passionate and boisterous. Olive was all over the place with tone depending on where she was and who she was talking to. For example: 1) Jeff, 2) others, bar, 3) on a horse...?
- Aurora actually sounds the most distinct, with "Tss" and a few other attitudes she takes. But then Elsa makes that sound too...
And now the Great "Ahaha!" List (+notes)
What is the Great Ahaha! List, you ask? I think it's laughing. I think it's characters going "Ah" or "Ah Ah." I think it's them doing other things with their gut or nasal passages. But I can't be sure. The phonetics don't make much sense, if any.
I started writing down all the times every character makes an "Ahahah", "Hah", "Tss", "Mmmh", or other form of dialogue, that just doesn't make sense, doesn't sound right, or makes you question your sanity on what the hell is going on in each scene.
I've limited the sentences to avoid spoilers, but you can see what I mean on sheer repetition.
Too many vowels.
Too many consonants.
Sometimes, I can't make any sense.
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More weirdness
The "Excuuuuuuse meeee?" from a customer, just use "Excu-use me?" You don't need multiple vowels.
Taylor "I went to Stocklinburg, but he went on a road trip around Central America." So, Zoey from BAD on her Interlude, and Taylor's our MC?
And how Thomas backed up a f****d SSD he "recovered and cloned" onto a one he had lying around, and fixed the detached screen, is witchcraft. Maybe add magic school to the genre tags.
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As mentioned in the game, Liam has traumatic past experience so his reaction is purely based on instinct and not something that is logical. Trying to use logic to make your point is simply pointless. You are free to agree or disagree with his reasoning, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't something that he could control.
For someone who wrote essay about English in AVN thread, you don't seem to pay as much attention when it comes to reading. The conversation was this:The Great Voice Problem
Then we have a general problem with most stories: one voice. Every character sounds the same. Even the gutturals and laughs (I think they're laughs? Oh boy, more on that later.) Now, if the writer had a better command of the English language, then that would be fine. But most AVNs are dialogue heavy. So tone, mannerisms, and phonetics are important.
For example
Vicky is going to go do a thing...with something she doesn't have yet? No one announces this, then asks for it, or even thinks like this.
It could be "Hey, does anyone have a cigarette?" Even if she's just doing this to get attention from Alan, Alan would respond positively. Even "I want to smoke, but I don't have a cigarette. Anyone got any?" would work, but it's stiff and stilted.
Clearly, Vicky was referring to the coffee that John was talking about when she said "can you get me one?" For you to understand it as the cigarette is baffling.
Miranda is not deaf.
This is silly. Not every person needs to have their own style. People share their style all the time based on numerous reasons such as culture, age, gender, social circle, etc. It's much weirder to see all characters talking differently as if they share nothing other than the English language.
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My worry is this thing on the intro, and that season 2 means that the LI I could pursue would be limited to the 3 girls in each path. Aurora is my main girl by far so I ended up making a new Selfish save just to be safe, while keeping my original save as my "pick whatever I feel like" playthrough (currently altruistic).
Here's hoping season 2 would have an option to start a new save with each path or something similar like that. I'm too lazy to create a Neutral save.
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I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Thankfully that's months away. Aurora is one of my faves too.
Silence! lol Olive is legitimately one of the most realistic characters Ive ever encountered in an AVN. I've mentioned this before but I basically met a girl exactly like Olive in college, except her fun facts were exclusively "Why everyone should be a vegan". She was actually extremely cute and hilarious but clearly had a touch of the tism and did not seem to understand that not even social situation is the time for "Well actually, free range chickens are not free ranging".
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Worst case is maybe using URM a few screens before season 1 ends. To change the necessary variables. Failing that it's going to be a lot of micromanaging choices while you hold down skip.
The idea of locking your routes to 3 at the end of season 1 might have sounded good on paper, but there's been literally zero inclination of characters drifting apart based on MCs trait like... at all. As someone else said it's going to be a massive character shift for Miranda to suddenly not be head over heels with the MC just because the player wasn't neutral at the end lol.
Guess all we can do is air our concerns and hope for the best when it comes to what MM has planned.
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Hmm the 3 routes are kinda weird. I felt like every Selfless pick with Aurora were the best picks, all of them makes her smile and one of them even gives bonus pic if I remember, even not throwing her under the bus gives us +3 selflessness, but somehow she is in the selfish route. But yeah Aurora is easily my fav rn, most interesting and entertaining by far, with Miranda 2nd and Elsa 3rd. My top 3 all in different routes.
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I think it's like we're being pranked with Rose. So many fantastic shots of her ass, but we can't go anywhere further than a friendly hug or a meaningless kiss.........no love for my sweet Rose (again) in this update tho.....
I really don't like the metal, but Samara is still hot. Even if it's not to my tastes, I'd say she certainly owns that look (and with different styles to her warpaint, too).
(I know I took it out of the spoiler, but it's no longer spoilerish, though my answer is, so...) The only way I can see an Aurora who's had three different sexy times with MC, and has had some clear pining over him, turning him down is because of her deal with Andrea. Maybe if you're a selfish enough MC, she'll see enough in you to go behind her best friend's back, or maybe even start to get Andrea to mellow towards you?
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Yeah there's definitely more to Andrea and Lana than has been revealed so far, I can see maybe a redemption arc for them eventually, probably with the help of MC or in spite of MC (Aurora path?)
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Same, ever since I played EP2 I thought her character arc was gonna be her falling in love with us and slowly changing to be a slightly better person with the goal of joining our group of friends, it seemed to fit her with how much she was looking at us during that party we had.
It will be weird if she reverts to what she was back in EP1.