VN Ren'Py Leaving DNA [Ep. 4.3a] [Impious Monk]

[yossa999]

I said it needed one, not that it lacked one including the most recent content. I stopped playing where I said I stopped playing so it wasn't unlocked yet for me, your reading comprehension is limited but that's not my fault.

So help me to understand you please, because you know... my reading comprehension limit and whatnot.

You said: "The game needs a dream about Vega. [....] That could put the A in AVN."
But there's already a lewd dream scene with Vega in the game that you didn't see because you stopped playing before you could find it. And you also complained about the lack of A in this AVN: "I was indeed expecting the A in AVN but couldn't find it here"

So, to sum it up, you're suggesting that the game should have content that already exists there and, in your own words, "could put the A in AVN." It just so happens that you didn't find it there because you assumed that the game is the "imminent blueballing cockblock" and dropped it... And that's the game's fault, right? Not your skill issues?

That's false and you are paranoid, I warned my opinion could hurt sensibilities so I placed it on spoilers. You are obviously tilted against me because I disagreed with you on another game's thread and it seems you can't handle a different opinion to your likings.

You know what's funny? Any response I make to this would be against the rules. Either those related to off-topic or those related to respectful communication.

I'll tell you that.

Em is the best girl, and her content is absolutely worth playing.
Malena is a hypocritical bitch you can't tear yourself away from, totally worth a separate save.
Jamie is the cute redhead cockblock, but we eventually get there.
Aghavni... I couldn't care less.

There are also side girls and dream scenes for those who haven't emptied their balls on the main routes yet.
But despite that the game reeks of sex, it still remains story-focused and character driven. Totally worth the five-stars.

 

[Manshino]

I'm just here for the Jamie scenes.

So you're in the wrong place

 

[scaryterry19]

So the final 3 episodes will be shorter overall. Yeah, Jamie's path is about to be a disappointment. Sure, I feel like she may actually get her big moment and scene in this epsiode with this news of how the final update and episodes will come out.

But none of that will make up for the entire first season(half of the game) and now with shorter episodes for the final 3, Jamie is never going to actually get treated super fairly or catch up with others and will just feel like the biggest missed opportunity and waste with how she was treated compared to the other main girls.

I am just letdown and disappointed, cause Jamie was the only reason I played this game and she was treated like a side character for first half of game and will just get minimal stuff in second half probably, while the others will continue to get great stuff. I am just very sad that it feels like Jamie was wasted and deserved better...

Yep. But hey, at least we’ll get more scenes with your five headed sister that looks like a garden gnome.

 

[Dessolos]

Yep. But hey, at least we’ll get more scenes with your five headed sister that looks like a garden gnome.

the best girl in my eyes. Jamie used to be tied with her but last update changed things for me. I didn't like the whole Jamie might leave thing

 

[scaryterry19]

the best girl in my eyes. Jamie used to be tied with her but last update changed things for me. I didn't like the whole Jamie might leave thing

Well, can’t help Jamie’s character arc was written the way it was. Monk wanted to give you the “almost feels too good to be true” with Jamie only to have her upended by the likes of Emeline.

I mean Agahvni is only ugly bitch BUT I’d still roll with that over Emeline. Gross.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, can’t help Jamie’s character arc was written the way it was. Monk wanted to give you the “almost feels too good to be true” with Jamie only to have her upended by the likes of Emeline.

I mean Agahvni is only ugly bitch BUT I’d still roll with that over Emeline. Gross.

Funny thing is I thought Jamie was gonna be the sister the entire time. Yeah I get it if incest is not your thing I admit I wish that wasn't the case with her as well. But not enough to stop me or make me dislike her in an AVN especially since I actually like the way it was handled if that had to be in the game. To me their story is kind of beautiful and sad at the same time. Tho I wonder if id feel differently if I didn't really like her character or find Emmeline hot and attractive.

 

[scaryterry19]

Funny thing is I thought Jamie was gonna be the sister the entire time. Yeah I get it if incest is not your thing I admit I wish that wasn't the case with her as well. But not enough to stop me or make me dislike her in an AVN especially since I actually like the way it was handled if that had to be in the game. To me their story is kind of beautiful and sad at the same time. Tho I wonder if id feel differently if I didn't really like her character or find Emmeline hot and attractive.

And I believe that’s why he wrote Jamie the way he did. He wanted you, the player, to believe the MC wasn’t cool with someone he viewed as a “sibling”. But now that Emeline has been introduced as the MC’s sister, it will be interesting how Monk treats the interactions with the MC and Jamie going forward.

It won’t make much sense if the MC is ok with pursuing Emeline and still viewing Jamie as a “little sister”. Actually, it will be even more interesting how that’s handled if you don’t pursue Emeline (threw up in my mouth saying that) at the end of the last episode.

 

[Dessolos]

And I believe that’s why he wrote Jamie the way he did. He wanted you, the player, to believe the MC wasn’t cool with someone he viewed as a “sibling”. But now that Emeline has been introduced as the MC’s sister, it will be interesting how Monk treats the interactions with the MC and Jamie going forward.

It won’t make much sense if the MC is ok with pursuing Emeline and still viewing Jamie as a “little sister”. Actually, it will be even more interesting how that’s handled if you don’t pursue Emeline (threw up in my mouth saying that) at the end of the last episode.

what is funny to me even tho there being clues all over pointing towards Jamie I forget cause I'd have to do a full replay but I think there was even some subtle clues for Emmeline you would only notice after you see the reveal. I'm honestly more curious how the MC's friends are gonna handle it assuming they do find out. Because of their conversation back in Chapter 1 about incest. Some of them had some negative views on such people while understandable I wonder if they would view the MC differently / in a bad light if he doesn't stop pursuing Emmeline

 

[Chillout1984]

And I believe that’s why he wrote Jamie the way he did. He wanted you, the player, to believe the MC wasn’t cool with someone he viewed as a “sibling”. But now that Emeline has been introduced as the MC’s sister, it will be interesting how Monk treats the interactions with the MC and Jamie going forward.

It won’t make much sense if the MC is ok with pursuing Emeline and still viewing Jamie as a “little sister”. Actually, it will be even more interesting how that’s handled if you don’t pursue Emeline (threw up in my mouth saying that) at the end of the last episode.

Well, he wouldn't really have a reason to think differently about it imo. He wasn't interested in Emmeline before he knew it, so that shouldn't make a difference.

However it will be more interesting to see if we get the chance to "swap" from Emmeline to Jamie if MC decides he will be okay with an incestuous relationship after all, because that would be one of the biggest issues he has with Jamie broken down, even if he only sees her a a sister.

 

[Master Peter Raven]

So, downloading this AVN for the first time. Was a highlighted pick of a member on another feed. Any advise o playing, or any opinions on the AVN? (It looks interesting I must say)

 

[Chillout1984]

So, downloading this AVN for the first time. Was a highlighted pick of a member on another feed. Any advise o playing, or any opinions on the AVN? (It looks interesting I must say)

Imo it's a pretty good story with quite a few heavy subjects. Don't play this however if you just want porn, there is little of it in it (although the scenes are quite to extremely hot).

However if you're going to play this knowing full well this is heavily focused on story and don't mind that, you're in for a real treat.

 

[Master Peter Raven]

Imo it's a pretty good story with quite a few heavy subjects. Don't play this however if you just want porn, there is little of it in it (although the scenes are quite to extremely hot).

However if you're going to play this knowing full well this is heavily focused on story and don't mind that, you're in for a real treat.

It's all good. There are plenty of good games out there with porn, which I enjoy, but ones that do a good story, with or without sex, are not as easy to find. I mean, Hillside isn't heavy on the sex, and delves in to some heavy topics with a great storyline, and it's in my Top 10. I think I'm going to like this one. We shall see.

 

[maxthruster]

Now the Author might want to explain what was the damn point of all those long courtroom trial scenes.

Man it's almost like the main premise of the game is being a lawyer or something. Did you hate the courtroom scenes in Better Call Saul too?

 

[Ottoeight]

Man it's almost like the main premise of the game is being a lawyer or something. Did you hate the courtroom scenes in Better Call Saul too?

Bro, Better Call Saul is NOT an AVN and most of all, it wasn't axed by their authors because they realised it would have taken them much more development years than expected.

This AVN is just like a person with a huge overproportioned body: enormous head, big long arms, ample torso, narrow hips, tiny tiny legs and small hands and feet.

What is the point of all these side characters where almost nothing happens between MC and the main girl that was introduced first?

Just to make clear my point: this happens to too many AVNs.

 

[Dessolos]

Bro, Better Call Saul is NOT an AVN and most of all, it wasn't axed by their authors because they realised it would have taken them much more development years than expected.

This AVN is just like a person with a huge overproportioned body: enormous head, big long arms, ample torso, narrow hips, tiny tiny legs and small hands and feet.

What is the point of all these side characters where almost nothing happens between MC and the main girl that was introduced first?

Just to make clear my point: this happens to too many AVNs.

I don't really agree with this as I recall hearing before a year or 2 ago , 2 of the chapters were either gonna be shorter or at least released at the same time so I don't see it as being Axed because of deveolopment time at all. The character deveolopment time tho on Jamie is debatable I personally felt like a good a decent amount of content with her. Would of liked better content yeah but at the end of the day this has always been about the story and not the LI , so it does deliver on that end.

 

[maxthruster]

Bro, Better Call Saul is NOT an AVN and most of all, it wasn't axed by their authors because they realised it would have taken them much more development years than expected.

This AVN is just like a person with a huge overproportioned body: enormous head, big long arms, ample torso, narrow hips, tiny tiny legs and small hands and feet.

What is the point of all these side characters where almost nothing happens between MC and the main girl that was introduced first?

Just to make clear my point: this happens to too many AVNs.

I think pretty much every statement you made showed a fundamental lack of understanding about narrative and story structure. If the only thing you're playing AVNs for is to bang the girls as quickly as possible, I assure you there are games more to your tastes out there.

"What is the point of all these characters and storylines in my visual NOVEL" is a line of argument I will always find hilarious.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

Man it's almost like the main premise of the game is being a lawyer or something.

It isn't.

The main premise of the game is that the MC is unable to open up emotionally to anyone, and will be missing out on a lot in life if he can't learn to change his ways. That's the heart and soul of the game. His profession isn't the main focus here.

I think pretty much every statement you made showed a fundamental lack of understanding about narrative and story structure.

That's more you than him, buddy.

The others are complaining that Jamie is set to have a rushed ending, which would be a waste considering how well her early scenes were written to develop both her character and her relationship with the MC. They are very clearly stating that having a long and detailed build up that leads to a very short payoff is not going to be as satisfying as a story where the start and end were more evenly balanced. And it's a very valid concern.

 

[maxthruster]

It isn't.

The main premise of the game is that the MC is unable to open up emotionally to anyone, and will be missing out on a lot in life if he can't learn to change his ways. That's the heart and soul of the game. His profession isn't the main focus here.

You're confusing premise for narrative. The premise of a piece of media is the actual mechanics of the story that set up the various conflicts. In this case, the player is a lawyer who was adopted as a child who comes across a cold case possibly involving his unknown father. This premise is set up to give plausible reasons to explore the narrative, which is him having attachment and abandonment issues and trying to overcome them and let people into his life. One grows out of the other.

That's more you than him, buddy.

The others are complaining that Jamie is set to have a rushed ending, which would be a waste considering how well her early scenes were written to develop both her character and her relationship with the MC. They are very clearly stating that having a long and detailed build up that leads to a very short payoff is not going to be as satisfying as a story where the start and end were more evenly balanced. And it's a very valid concern.

It is indeed a valid concern, if your understanding of media tropes and narrative devices is limited to what's right in front of you. We have several episodes left in the story and Jamie is one of the main love interests of the game, the one who has gotten the least development as of late. There's simply no way that she's going to pack up and leave now if you're following her route; it would be antithetical to the genre. Her potential absence is a plot device - exactly to what end we don't know yet, but we can guess it involves her father. It requires the ability to read subtext, which I know can be a bit difficult sometimes, but just because one scenario is being presented on the screen does not mean that is exactly how things are going to go.

Again, it's about genre expectations. You don't go into a horror movie expecting everyone to be fine, you don't go into a romcom expecting the main character to get dumped and kill himself, you don't go into a superhero movie expecting the protagonist to spend 30 minutes paying her taxes. Because that's just not how the genres work. Even if Jamie leaves temporarily, she won't just be completely axed from the game for reasons outside of the player's control. That would be ridiculous. People expecting that Jamie will just be gone forever now because there's a plot point motivating her to leave before the game is over need to consume more media.

 

[moskyx]

You're confusing premise for narrative. The premise of a piece of media is the actual mechanics of the story that set up the various conflicts. In this case, the player is a lawyer who was adopted as a child who comes across a cold case possibly involving his unknown father. This premise is set up to give plausible reasons to explore the narrative, which is him having attachment and abandonment issues and trying to overcome them and let people into his life. One grows out of the other.


It is indeed a valid concern, if your understanding of media tropes and narrative devices is limited to what's right in front of you. We have several episodes left in the story and Jamie is one of the main love interests of the game, the one who has gotten the least development as of late. There's simply no way that she's going to pack up and leave now if you're following her route; it would be antithetical to the genre. Her potential absence is a plot device - exactly to what end we don't know yet, but we can guess it involves her father. It requires the ability to read subtext, which I know can be a bit difficult sometimes, but just because one scenario is being presented on the screen does not mean that is exactly how things are going to go.

Again, it's about genre expectations. You don't go into a horror movie expecting everyone to be fine, you don't go into a romcom expecting the main character to get dumped and kill himself, you don't go into a superhero movie expecting the protagonist to spend 30 minutes paying her taxes. Because that's just not how the genres work. Even if Jamie leaves temporarily, she won't just be completely axed from the game for reasons outside of the player's control. That would be ridiculous. People expecting that Jamie will just be gone forever now because there's a plot point motivating her to leave before the game is over need to consume more media.

While some people may indeed fall in the 'confused expectations' category you mention in your last paragraph, I think there's a valid point raised by other users who are afraid of Jamie not getting the proper screentime she 'deserves' as one of the main LI's. That's a fair concern, in my opinion, as the rest of LI's already have some lewd scenes with the MC and we can expect them to have some more in their future paths, while all Jamie's scenes will be included in the last section of the game, which is said to be way shorter. So, even if I personally think her story won't be lackluster, and her hypothetically fewer scenes might feel even more powerful due to all the buildup, I'm sure many fans who measure their enjoyment just by gross numbers will complain. And they'd be somewhat right, according to their standards. Not that I agree with them, mind you, as I'm perfectly fine with different LI's having a different number of scenes if the story makes more sense that way, but I can understand where they are coming from: she's her favorite, the game's narrative seems to give her a leading role in MC's love life, yet she may end up getting the least sexy screen time of the whole pack.

 

[maxthruster]

While some people may indeed fall in the 'confused expectations' category you mention in your last paragraph, I think there's a valid point raised by other users who are afraid of Jamie not getting the proper screentime she 'deserves' as one of the main LI's. That's a fair concern, in my opinion, as the rest of LI's already have some lewd scenes with the MC and we can expect them to have some more in their future paths, while all Jamie's scenes will be included in the last section of the game, which is said to be way shorter. So, even if I personally think her story won't be lackluster, and her hypothetically fewer scenes might feel even more powerful due to all the buildup, I'm sure many fans who measure their enjoyment just by gross numbers will complain. And they'd be somewhat right, according to their standards. Not that I agree with them, mind you, as I'm perfectly fine with different LI's having a different number of scenes if the story makes more sense that way, but I can understand where they are coming from: she's her favorite, the game's narrative seems to give her a leading role in MC's love life, yet she may end up getting the least sexy screen time of the whole pack.

Yeah, it's perfectly valid to be worried that whatever screentime she gets in the latter half of the game won't make up for her slow development overall. I don't think it's wrong to be concerned by that. My specific issue is with the folks who seem to think her story is already over, that Monk spent all that time building her up just to snatch her away seemingly out of nowhere.