Recommending Lesbian Protagonist Games List (My Version)

[The Celtic fan]

I also wouldn't discount the possibility that lesbian and bi female players might be able to support the ecosystem mostly on their own eventually. We're talking about millions of people, after all. Just because adult game audience today is mainly straight and male doesn't mean it won't continue to diversify in the future just as the gaming audience as a whole has.

this may be possible, as such there is a market there.
in lesbian communities it is very common for lesbians to recommend "smut books" to each other, also visual novels are recommended a lot (although as you say most of these are for all ages).

But the problem is that there is a stigma with adult video games in which many see them as very male dominated, since not only lesbian games are scarce, but lesbian games made by women are more so, and in general many lesbians and bisexuals do not like to read or play anything lesbian made by men, since they see the creator as a fetishist.

and then there are very few pages where this type of games are highlighted, for example once some friends tried to enter here and immediately they were repudiated by all the rape content that is easily found here, many times looking for lesbian games I comes across people looking for games where lesbians are "corrected", that makes it extremely difficult for lesbians to get into the search for adult games.

 

[lnomsim]

I agree with almost everything the people said here, but I'll be honest, I didn't read everything.

So I'll add my 2cents:
-A lot of people want data D when they play AVG, that's unfortunately why male presence or futa are more popular than lesbian only games
-There needs to be a distinction between Yuri and lesbian games. Yuri is a subculture all by itself, it focuses more on the romance and subtext than homosexuality itself. I love Yuri, and I'm glad to see that through recent years it's been getting more and more popular.
-Some lesbian games now, focus way too much on homosexuality itself and are openly LGBT(and whatever comes next), feeling more like propaganda or a piece of candy for a limited audience. I personally despise most of those games.
-And finally, there are the lesbian games with no real political agenda behind them, that just want to tell stories with lesbian characters. i like those games too.

But most people aren't interested in any of those games. As I said, a lot of people want to see a dick somewhere, after all, it's not sex if there is no penetration, right?

About the popularity of lesbian porn and its correlation to video games. There is none.
People who watch porn want a quick nut. Seriously, who watches a cut 10min video for the scenario?

Video games require more involvement from the player and the developer.
A level of involvement people who simply watch porn aren't necessarily willing to make (first, it's a video game, and people kill because of video games, and people who play video games are just lazy and parasites of society, and second, you need to... you know, that thing you do with those things full of paper old people have in old furniture, yeah you need to READ, and only nerds do that.)

Finally, someone said homosexuals are by default a minority of every society (or something like that), well, welcome to let's learn to make the difference between fiction and reality.

Let's go back to porn, some women like gay porn. A lot of straight men like lesbian porn. And even without talking about porn, homosexual romance is attractive to the other gender too even if their readers are straight.

Stories are not the reality, that's why people like stories, it permits them to see things from another perspective without having to review their own style of life. (that's also why I hate media with a clear political agenda behind them, I'm looking at you Netflix and other LGBT-backed media)

But to answer the original question, I'd say it's both.

 

[Gwedelino]

I think there are some social mechanisms at play that actively stop LGBT games from getting traction, or popular straight games from including more LGBT content. There is a very vocal crowd that will rate games with one or two stars when they include any form of sex that doesn't include the MC. Since the MC in almost all popular games is a male, that means it is impossible to include sex between women. I wouldn't say it's taboo since there are exceptions, but it's a high-risk decision for a developer who wants to make it a profession.

I know from a very successful and lovely developer that he would enjoy to include LGBT content, but his income depends on good ratings and that's why he will always create straight harem games. His fear of negative ratings is that great.

So, it's not really unpopular in the sense that people don't desire that kind of content. But it's high-risk to include it, because maybe players have a little too much power? Maybe it will change when more developers can afford a stable income by doing what they want and not what is the popular opinion. Maybe that means cheering for the big straight games on Steam is opening doors for our little community as well. I'm not sure.
I'm grateful for the developers that dare to create lesbian games and LGBT games in general though. You are amazing.

To be honest I wouldn't really call it a LGBT "problem" since the situation is quite different between most of those identities.

As an example, Gay games are much more popular than lesbian games. There are of course way less gay games than straight games just like lesbian games, but a lot of gay games manage to gather a huge community around them, which is currently impossible for lesbian games.

It still doesn't mean gay games have a better "reputation ?" since we can still see a lot of stupid individuals going to attack those games because they are focused on gay content.

 

[The Celtic fan]

To be honest I wouldn't really call it a LGBT "problem" since the situation is quite different between most of those identities.

As an example, Gay games are much more popular than lesbian games. There are of course way less gay games than straight games just like lesbian games, but a lot of gay games manage to gather a huge community around them, which is currently impossible for lesbian games.

It still doesn't mean gay games have a better "reputation ?" since we can still see a lot of stupid individuals going to attack those games because they are focused on gay content.

I personally believe that happens due to.

there are many more gays than lesbians, statistics have always shown that lesbians are the minority of lgb people.
also gay culture is more "sexual" than lesbian culture, things like porn, are better viewed than in lesbian culture, in fact in lesbian culture those things are usually frowned upon.

I personally see it as I said in my previous comment, many lesbians would not support this type of games, especially if they know that the game is made by men.

so if we talk about gay support (which is often the majority in gay games), many gays would support their games, while lesbians only a minority would, so at least in gay games it is easier to have a more stable user base.

 

[Olivia_V]

My vote is for "underserved niche" because I think the potential audience for lesbian games is way bigger than the current actual audience. You don't even have to consider the popularity of lesbian porn: just think how many mostly straight games have lesbian scenes (you know, all the ones that help make the current tagging system useless). I don't think most players of those games are skipping through those scenes or dislike the characters involved in them.

I agree with this. I remember reading somewhere that in Tubi, content with gay protagonists regularly beat straight protagonists in terms of views. Of course, that can be explained away by there being so much straight content competing with each other, but it also shows that there is so little gay or lesbian content that the few which is out there can gain sizable audiences if done right.

On a side note, I used to be quite pissed about the male gaze and the influence of male-oriented lesbian porn on lesbian content, but seeing straight women (especially the female equivalent of the smelly male anime nerd... the fujoshi) be the massive audience that justifies gay male content. As "Barbie" has shown, straight women do spend on and support stuff they like. I've come to appreciate how much crossing appeal over to audiences we normally wouldn't want to share a room with boosts the making of content we might actually like.

there are many more gays than lesbians, statistics have always shown that lesbians are the minority of lgb people.
also gay culture is more "sexual" than lesbian culture, things like porn, are better viewed than in lesbian culture, in fact in lesbian culture those things are usually frowned upon.

I personally see it as I said in my previous comment, many lesbians would not support this type of games, especially if they know that the game is made by men.

It's not gay men that a lot of this gay male content is targeted at. Straight women are, by far, the largest market for gay male content. But unlike us, gay men seem to be able to take it better in stride. I suppose the fact that gay men tend to get along great with straight women helps a lot. Even if they do laugh at them, and the gay content directed at them, while they're not looking.

Some lesbian games now, focus way too much on homosexuality itself and are openly LGBT(and whatever comes next), feeling more like propaganda or a piece of candy for a limited audience. I personally despise most of those games.

I agree with this. The best lesbian content just treats lesbians like any other pair of people in love. Not to mention that trying to score political brownie points is how you end up with "women" with dicks in lesbian games.

 

[GreenDark]

Similar but diluted effect with stuff like complaining about "politics". If that's a theme in the game; it's probably because it's very important to the writer and their life. So being met with "I don't care, show me hot sex" is going to be extremely discouraging. Of course they're leaving. Why the hell wouldn't they?

I find this pretty annoying to read. You make it seem like the criticism can't be anything other than "I don't care, show me hot sex" when in reality there are so many factors that determine whether the "political" writing can be accepted or not. The main one being the quality of the writing but it can also be as simple as "I'm tired of the culture war, can I have something that simply entertains and isn't terrible."
We are on the internet where obviously there will always be single neuron organisms that react badly to anything that isn't dick-in-pussy. That doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons to reject a product of bad quality when the reasons for the bad quality include modern culture war talking points being put into stories with little to no care given to how they affect everything else.

 

[GreenDark]

and, like, that's their problem, not ours.

It is everyone's problem when these topics are introduced badly then their mere inclusion is used as a shield to deflect criticism or a weapon to insult critics.

I'm someone who likes stories a lot and I criticize bad writing when I see it. These days, a lot of writing includes topics relating to the culture war. Which means a lot of bad writing includes topics relating to the culture war. I've been called all kinds of names from "libtard" to "alt right" for criticizing shit stories that skew politically one way or another. When all I care about is the quality of the story.

It gets even worse when people know I'm a lesbian and the shit story I'm against happens to have a lesbian character in it. Or even just a badly written female character.
My immutable characteristics don't make me immediately accept and love anything that claims or pretends to protect them.

Many of the games and VNs that end up on this thread end up being "LGBT" or some variation of the term which in the culture war belongs only to one side. A lot of them are also really bad. So seeing them criticized might give the impression that only that side gets criticized. But I assure you that reasonable people also criticize forced politics on the other side.

So I don't know about unpopular. But we are definitely underserved for quality.

 

[Olivia_V]

Similar but diluted effect with stuff like complaining about "politics". If that's a theme in the game; it's probably because it's very important to the writer and their life. So being met with "I don't care, show me hot sex" is going to be extremely discouraging. Of course they're leaving. Why the hell wouldn't they?

This is the big downside to the scene being composed mostly of enthusiasts. If it's the activists making activist content, then the games you get will have very limited appeal, even within what is already a niche market.

Unfortunately, the sort of dev that can make a lesbian game that can appeal to as wide a swathe of the fanbase as possible will either not see enough monetary incentive to make a lesbian game, or be chased off by purists and activists.

 

[Olivia_V]

Many of the games and VNs that end up on this thread end up being "LGBT" or some variation of the term which in the culture war belongs only to one side. A lot of them are also really bad.

OMG... the artwork alone is almost universally horrid. Why so many of these activist queer creators think people will find Steven Universe Tumblr artwork erotic is beyond me.

 

[Trinian]

Many of the games and VNs that end up on this thread end up being "LGBT" or some variation of the term which in the culture war belongs only to one side. A lot of them are also really bad. So seeing them criticized might give the impression that only that side gets criticized. But I assure you that reasonable people also criticize forced politics on the other side.

I suppose the frustrating human characteristic seeing criticism of one side as meaning you automatically support the other is probably embedded from our distant tribal past. I see it every day in political threads. "Oh, you think that this incredibly stupid thing this guy said was incredibly stupid? Well that must mean you're a Communist/Nazi. (Delete as applicable)"

While I can't speak for the artsy LGBT games you find on itch.io, which I've always just assumed are one person's auteur-style opus, I just don't see what the point of putting politics into an H-game is. It would be like two pornstars pausing in the middle of a scene, putting their clothes back on and then giving a sermon on the situation in Palestine. A challenging fap, in other words.

If you can read all of the history lessons in my game, then decide you know what my personal politics are, you're almost certainly wrong. They're the closest I come to dealing with any of those topics, and I approach them from the point of view of poking fun at human idiosyncrasies, not offering a serious perspective.

 

[killyourname]

Ladies and others, maybe some of you would be interested to check this game out. It's bloody good.

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I've failed to find it on f95 or in CboyC95 gamelist. So, here:

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[lnomsim]

My apologies, I don't like to post long sheets of text and chew out my every thought.

Sometimes, reality could hurt. As a "happy" citizen of the country, where politicians (representatives of heterosexual majority and faggots in disguise) adopt

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, I'm finding myself lucky that I have opportunity to savour lesbian games made by other people in the world and that I don't live in a place with

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. That's one of the reasons why I think we already have sufficient amount of homosexual content, even if you think otherwise.

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I think there has been a misunderstanding due to my choice of words.
When I said there was a difference between fiction and reality, I didn't mean the inequalities between homosexuals and heterosexuals didn't exist.

I meant the sexuality of the audience is less relevant when it comes to fiction. The homosexual proportion of a population is irrelevant to the actual audience of a medium featuring homosexuality since heterosexuals are also part of that audience.

I don't know how to convey my point correctly without making a mess.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

Ladies and others, maybe some of you would be interested to check this game out. It's bloody good.

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I've failed to find it on f95 or in CboyC95 gamelist. So, here:

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Thanks! Should turn this into a thread

 

[Mistress Elizabeth]

I think that lesbian adult games generally being less popular has a lot to do with that seemingly common fascination with the self-insertion thing, which seems to only occur with games, and not with porn, hentai, adult comics, etc., although in many cases these "games" are literally visual novels with just a few irrelevant choices, but this seems enough to already makes this self-insertion so "crucial".

And with most people around here being straight guys, then the "drama" starts with the usual complaints in the threads, etc. You can also often read around this forum some very weird ideas about lesbian sex, like "it's not real sex", so I understand that the percentage of people who might be interested in these games it's going to be smaller, because, you know, the game doesn't have "actual sex". Like WTF, but oh well.

I personally have no interest in self-insertion, if I like lesbian games it's simply because I'm a lesbian, because I like sexual content (in contrast to some people, who I guess aren't that rare in lesbian "circles", that, for various reasons, have a more negative general idea of this type of content), and I only care for the characters, story and art to be good.

But like I said, self-insertion seems to be a very influential phenomenon around adult games, and it's something I doubt will change.

In contrast, there are adult non-game products that are clearly quite successful, like the Sunstone comic, where the two protagonists are a lesbian couple, and which is an amazing comic, by the way. I guess self-insertion doesn't apply there, so there's no drama about it.

In any case, lesbian adult content has always been treated in a questionable way in almost any context. Porn websites tend to list as "lesbian" content videos of two girls doing something for 1 minute (or not even that) and then a guy having sex with them for 30 minutes. Or sometimes the opposite happens and the websites don't even allow content to be labeled as lesbian, even if it's possible with (male) gay content, so any actual lesbian content appears labeled as "straight", and if you want to look for it, you have to manually search among a lot of straight content. Is this related to some "weird" views on lesbian adult content or lesbian sex in general? Possibly.

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Regarding what is said about "LGBT content", as is being used on this thread as "political content"... how common are "political" adult games anyway? I'm asking seriously, because I honestly don't really know adult games like that, but it's not like I know that many adult games actually.

However, I obviously do know a lot of non-adult game content that looks like a political political pamphlet, of almost every tendency, yes, but I also believe there's people who confuse stories that focus on issues such as acceptance, or that have a certain artistic style, among other things, as "LGBT political content", even though it's not really political. For example, I would cite the modern She-Ra series. For me, it's a really great show, but of course it's a show that's typically associated with being "very woke" because of its art style and because it has a lot of queer characters... but if you look at it, the show isn't trying to be a political fling, it's just a story with queer and non-queer characters, doing different things in their world, that's it. I certainly wouldn't consider it "LGBT political content", however it's not rare to read on the internet people who talk like this series is "so woke" and "has an agenda".

 

[The Celtic fan]

Regarding what is said about "LGBT content", as is being used on this thread as "political content"... how common are "political" adult games anyway? I'm asking seriously, because I honestly don't really know adult games like that, but it's not like I know that many adult games actually.

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The few games I've seen that could be considered as such, are those typical "queer" games with "androgynous" characters and bi romance, but as such those games are not adult games.

Maybe it's because I don't like them, so I don't look for them, but I haven't seen a single adult game that would be like that.

However, I obviously do know a lot of non-adult game content that looks like a political political pamphlet, of almost every tendency, yes, but I also believe there's people who confuse stories that focus on issues such as acceptance, or that have a certain artistic style, among other things, as "LGBT political content", even though it's not really political. For example, I would cite the modern She-Ra series. For me, it's a really great show, but of course it's a show that's typically associated with being "very woke" because of its art style and because it has a lot of queer characters... but if you look at it, the show isn't trying to be a political fling, it's just a story with queer and non-queer characters, doing different things in their world, that's it. I certainly wouldn't consider it "LGBT political content", however it's not rare to read on the internet people who talk like this series is "so woke" and "has an agenda".

although there will be series that will be like a political pamphlet, a lot of complaints about "politics" happen because of any nonsense, I even hear complaints that mortal kombat has become "woke" because women don't wear microbikinis like mk9.

 

[Grandy_UiD]

Ladies and others, maybe some of you would be interested to check this game out. It's bloody good.

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Looks nice. Is there sexual content in it?

 

[killyourname]

Guys, with all respect, would you please put your longreads (or most part of them, at least) under the spoilers. Far from everyone are so eager to read them or scroll them down. You are turning this thread into a mess.

 

[Mistress Elizabeth]

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Well, let's get the text under spoilers if long posts can be a problem:

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[CboyC95]

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[UntrustableBackstabber]

You know I'm in Corruption moods. Just look at TFGamessite and remember The Last Demon Hunter.
I miss it when peoples use Corruption tag for someone that slowly turn into an evil and sexy monster girl not just the boring 'doing drug and fuck all day everyday'.
Is there any game with that type of corruption anymore preferable with a lot of FemalexFemale content?