Recommending Lesbian Protagonist Games List (My Version)

[Moshiko.atrftb]

I've always had little story ideas but I never expanded them to an entire story. Do you have any tips to look for to get better at writing? I've heard that knowing where the story ends and working back from that is a good idea. Is that true and do you know of any more?

The first step is expanding the ideas into full stories. Getting better is just a matter of practice and feedback/advice from the right people.

I'll explain my rough process for expanding ideas into stories, but I hear these change from writer to writer.

-I think of an idea I'm really passionate about. Stupid example: paintings come to life.

-I build out the world. Stupid example: What are the consequences of this? Why are the paintings coming to life? What powers to the paintings have?

-I build the foundations of a story with a beginning, middle, and end. In my opinion, every good writer (except for Steven King) knows how their story will end. As for where to start, I usually start from a rough beginning and then just switch between the three until the idea solidifies in my mind. Stupid example: Painter falls in love with a painting she painted, another painting kills that painting, she goes on a quest for revenge, she realizes she can just paint that painting again, she realizes that painting was kind of obnoxious actually, she breaks up with the painting and paints a rebound painting, that painting can travel back in time and it goes back to kill the first painting because its jealous and we realize she painted the painting that killed her other painting all along the end.

If you ever need advice on actually writing the stuff down, send me a DM, I'll be more than happy to help.

 

[red_faced]

https://f95zone.to/threads/help-i-a...ous-mother-watches-development-thread.232022/

Just released my game, which is all-lez.

 

[lnomsim]

Okay, UntrustableBackstabber, I'm going to address this one by one.

Why would a lesbian call herself a lesbian if she likes dick?

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Is it a fetish to prefer girls with dicks?

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What does bisexual and pansexual mean?

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If a trans woman doesn't want to go through surgery, does that mean she wants to be a futa?

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I wrote this as clearly as I could, it's fine if you have more questions, but if you are just going to repeat the same points I'm not going to engage.

Ok, now I remember you.

And I'll repeat what I said last time.

This topic is not about you.

It's about lesbian protagonist games, without a penis. It's that simple.

If you want "lesbian" games with a penis, there are futanari topics, and no, I doubt a lot of people care what you think about that word. Especially since once again, initially the topic is not about real life, nor you, but a porn genre.

I'm not denying who you are, what/who you like, who is you girlfriend, what/who she likes. But this is not the subject of the topic, even if once again it devolved into this.

And no, this is not an attack, so take a deep breath and feel free to ignore me if you must, I'm just a stranger on the internet.

 

[UntrustableBackstabber]

Ok, now I remember you.

And I'll repeat what I said last time.

This topic is not about you.

It's about lesbian protagonist games, without a penis. It's that simple.

If you want "lesbian" games with a penis, there are futanari topics, and no, I doubt a lot of people care what you think about that word. Especially since once again, initially the topic is not about real life, nor you, but a porn genre.

I'm not denying who you are, what/who you like, who is you girlfriend, what/who she likes. But this is not the subject of the topic, even if once again it devolved into this.

And no, this is not an attack, so take a deep breath and feel free to ignore me if you must, I'm just a stranger on the internet.

Nonono, this was me genuinely asking so it is my fault.

Okay, UntrustableBackstabber, I'm going to address this one by one.

Why would a lesbian call herself a lesbian if she likes dick?

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Is it a fetish to prefer girls with dicks?

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What does bisexual and pansexual mean?

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If a trans woman doesn't want to go through surgery, does that mean she wants to be a futa?

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I wrote this as clearly as I could, it's fine if you have more questions, but if you are just going to repeat the same points I'm not going to engage.

For first answer, Fair but i still don't understand why girls that like girl with dick doesn't want to call themself "Bisexual"? Is it because most Bisexual like Male and Female? I have met a Bisexual Girl that only like a girl with a dick, and her explanation is quite easy to understand which is simply "I like girls and dick but I don't like male appearance so yeah, I'm a Bisexual."

Second answer... fair enough most people preference are different but back to my question for first answer i suppose.

Third answer... Yeah everyone know those but every word evolve with time and Pansexual doesn't even get mentioned in my question. And "Pulling-out of my ass"? I don't know about you on how you think like that when I didn't even call your "Lesbian that like dick" as "Pulling-out of my ass" when I literally said I never heard of it before and instead wish to understand your way of thinking so please don't use such a Lowblow.

Fourth Answer: Fair enough so TLDR: Transgirl are either choose to not lose their dick or doesn't have money to do it. That is an answer i can fully accept on why Transgirl want to keep their dick.

Fifth answer, Yes, some of them are clear but only some. You still haven't answer "Why didn't a lesbian that like dick doesn't want to be counted as Bisexual" except for "Because she doesn't like men". So lets say if I put a woman mind in a male body would they like it? since that should count as a "Woman" using your own reasoning or what If it is an Androgynous physique without a vagina or penis but a mind of a "Man". As stupid as it sounds "What is a Man?" (Thanks Mr. Dracula) is it how they act or the body?

So let me simplified it, Did we perhaps have this debate because we have a different way of thinking of "What most girl think as "Men" is it on the Mind or the Physical." Like for example i would think a transgirl that have a vagina and a breasts as a woman and not a transgirl but I would think a transgirl that have a dick and breasts as "Futanari" or "Hermaphodite" AKA a third gender that aren't male or female but both. If you agree with this I suppose I can say I understand why we think differently regarding this.

 

[UntrustableBackstabber]

I've always had little story ideas but I never expanded them to an entire story. Do you have any tips to look for to get better at writing? I've heard that knowing where the story ends and working back from that is a good idea. Is that true and do you know of any more?

If you ask me, what is important is a "Main quest" or "Goal", is it a person or something else it is your choice but a Story always need a "Main quest" that makes YOU as a writer interested in writing. I have written a very sandbox-like story and I start losing my fun when I realize "The Main quest is boring and dull, it is too simple. there is no story to tell except "Adventuring" until MC get to that simple goal.". Most writer will say "Writing from Ending" is important but I think the Prologue is the most important one because the prologue is how You as a writer and readers get invested to the story after that the most important think about the story is "Main Quest". Why did i say that? Simply because if the story you write already have an ending you as a writer will get bored because you already have a specific ending in mind.

Another tips might be, I'm suggesting to add a sidestory where the perspective is not the MC, it always keep me going on what other character think of MC action when you spend most of the story about your MC. It also makes the character you write less of "This cardboard with inserted personality" and more "a Person living their own life as their own protagonist".

 

[Moshiko.atrftb]

Nonono, this was me genuinely asking so it is my fault.



For first answer, Fair but i still don't understand why girls that like girl with dick doesn't want to call themself "Bisexual"? Is it because most Bisexual like Male and Female? I have met a Bisexual Girl that only like a girl with a dick, and her explanation is quite easy to understand which is simply "I like girls and dick but I don't like male appearance so yeah, I'm a Bisexual."

Second answer... fair enough most people preference are different but back to my question for first answer i suppose.

Third answer... Yeah everyone know those but every word evolve with time and Pansexual doesn't even get mentioned in my question. And "Pulling-out of my ass"? I don't know about you on how you think like that when I didn't even call your "Lesbian that like dick" as "Pulling-out of my ass" when I literally said I never heard of it before and instead wish to understand your way of thinking so please don't use such a Lowblow.

Fourth Answer: Fair enough so TLDR: Transgirl are either choose to not lose their dick or doesn't have money to do it. That is an answer i can fully accept on why Transgirl want to keep their dick.

Fifth answer, Yes, some of them are clear but only some. You still haven't answer "Why didn't a lesbian that like dick doesn't want to be counted as Bisexual" except for "Because she doesn't like men". So lets say if I put a woman mind in a male body would they like it? since that should count as a "Woman" using your own reasoning or what If it is an Androgynous physique without a vagina or penis but a mind of a "Man". As stupid as it sounds "What is a Man?" (Thanks Mr. Dracula) is it how they act or the body?

So let me simplified it, Did we perhaps have this debate because we have a different way of thinking of "What most girl think as "Men" is it on the Mind or the Physical." Like for example i would think a transgirl that have a vagina and a breasts as a woman and not a transgirl but I would think a transgirl that have a dick and breasts as "Futanari" or "Hermaphodite" AKA a third gender that aren't male or female but both. If you agree with this I suppose I can say I understand why we think differently regarding this.

First of, the pansexual explanation was meant for BlackFoxC.

Now that that's covered let's get philosophical.

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[FromOtherSpace]

First of, the pansexual explanation was meant for BlackFoxC.

Now that that's covered let's get philosophical.

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It's the first time I don't feel dumber after a TED talk

 

[xxxlegitnoobswag]

Fuck's sake y'all. That list of dating sims I put up a week or two ago had 2 trans protagonists and no one said a goddamn thing, which kinda gets to the heart of the problem; people keep equating stuff that aren't equal and talking past each other.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-

• The method of depiction is as important as the content. There's a word of difference between media that fetishizes and media that depicts with accuracy and sincerity. If someone tries to say 'oops i fell on my horny stepmoms giant cock and now im pregnat!' and something like
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  are equivalent just because they both have women with penises: they're bullshitting! One is purely fetishistic and the other is not remotely sexualized. I will die on the hill that within media there's a major distinction between what's labeled 'futa' and what's labeled 'trans'.
• Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit. What's a deal breaker for one might be completely innocuous for another, so someone trying to be an authority on anything other than themselves is bullshitting. If there's going to be some kind of categories or standards, it's best to go by general consensus which is subject to change, disagreement, and edge cases that don't quite fit. There's wiggle room. That's why I didn't hesitate to put forward those 2 games with the rest and why no one cared.

With those in mind: I find having the thread standards be against futa is fine since the fetishistic aspects tend to override everything else. But swinging after anything with trans characters regardless of framing is heavy-handed. Keep them off the list proper if you want, but jumping someone for recommendations they were upfront about the content of, were outside the main list, and that don't have men/fits the sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever vibe check is completely unnecessary and more of a problem than the recommendations themselves. There should be enough wiggle room in the thread replies to ask about and discuss similar topics, especially since actual sapphic spaces are overwhelmingly trans positive so most actual queer women that come here are going to have different expectations.

As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.

 

[lnomsim]

Fuck's sake y'all. That list of dating sims I put up a week or two ago had 2 trans protagonists and no one said a goddamn thing, which kinda gets to the heart of the problem; people keep equating stuff that aren't equal and talking past each other.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-

• The method of depiction is as important as the content. There's a word of difference between media that fetishizes and media that depicts with accuracy and sincerity. If someone tries to say 'oops i fell on my horny stepmoms giant cock and now im pregnat!' and something like
  You must be registered to see the links
  are equivalent just because they both have women with penises: they're bullshitting! One is purely fetishistic and the other is not remotely sexualized. I will die on the hill that within media there's a major distinction between what's labeled 'futa' and what's labeled 'trans'.
• Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit. What's a deal breaker for one might be completely innocuous for another, so someone trying to be an authority on anything other than themselves is bullshitting. If there's going to be some kind of categories or standards, it's best to go by general consensus which is subject to change, disagreement, and edge cases that don't quite fit. There's wiggle room. That's why I didn't hesitate to put forward those 2 games with the rest and why no one cared.

With those in mind: I find having the thread standards be against futa is fine since the fetishistic aspects tend to override everything else. But swinging after anything with trans characters regardless of framing is heavy-handed. Keep them off the list proper if you want, but jumping someone for recommendations they were upfront about the content of, were outside the main list, and that don't have men/fits the sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever vibe check is completely unnecessary and more of a problem than the recommendations themselves. There should be enough wiggle room in the thread replies to ask about and discuss similar topics, especially since actual sapphic spaces are overwhelmingly trans positive so most actual queer women that come here are going to have different expectations.

As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.

I think you are looking a little too deep into things.

The reason I personally didn't say anything about your list containing futa, is because I didn't look through your list, but if you want, i can edit my post, and inclue said games in my question, why suggest them here?

"Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit."

You're right on that one, but I'll never repeat myself enough, this is a penis less topic. People preference is pretty clear. You don't see any of us going to futa topics asking for games without futa.

We're talking about games here, not real life. So people getting pissed over things because of their real life issues and beliefs is annoying.

Yet, I'll notice something, when it comes to shitstorm with futa content, it's always the same 2 people involved (3 if you include me on the other side of the argument).

And to answer your last question.

-Kindred Spirits on rooftop

-highway blossom

-Blackberry Honey

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I'm not entirely sure if that one is what you would look for, but the story evolves around the relationship between two female characters, it's kind of romantic, but not at the same level as the previous games. The relationship is very important though.

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same, the relationship is very important, but that one is dark (and free), but mostly dark.

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this one is about the relationship between a witch huntress knight and a witch, it has gameplay, not just a visual novel.

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this one is mostly about the story instead of the relationships, but there are multiple romantic partners. Be aware that the translation is pretty rough though.

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-Two Princesses Knights of Kyoto 2 and Two Princesses Knight of Kyoto I couldn't get into those two, so I don't know how important is the romantic relationship.

If it's romance and nothing else you are looking for, I'd go for either Kindred spirits on the rooftop, highway blossom, blackberry honey or nurse love.

 

[0tt0von]

Fuck's sake y'all. That list of dating sims I put up a week or two ago had 2 trans protagonists and no one said a goddamn thing, which kinda gets to the heart of the problem; people keep equating stuff that aren't equal and talking past each other.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-

• The method of depiction is as important as the content. There's a word of difference between media that fetishizes and media that depicts with accuracy and sincerity. If someone tries to say 'oops i fell on my horny stepmoms giant cock and now im pregnat!' and something like
  You must be registered to see the links
  are equivalent just because they both have women with penises: they're bullshitting! One is purely fetishistic and the other is not remotely sexualized. I will die on the hill that within media there's a major distinction between what's labeled 'futa' and what's labeled 'trans'.
• Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit. What's a deal breaker for one might be completely innocuous for another, so someone trying to be an authority on anything other than themselves is bullshitting. If there's going to be some kind of categories or standards, it's best to go by general consensus which is subject to change, disagreement, and edge cases that don't quite fit. There's wiggle room. That's why I didn't hesitate to put forward those 2 games with the rest and why no one cared.

With those in mind: I find having the thread standards be against futa is fine since the fetishistic aspects tend to override everything else. But swinging after anything with trans characters regardless of framing is heavy-handed. Keep them off the list proper if you want, but jumping someone for recommendations they were upfront about the content of, were outside the main list, and that don't have men/fits the sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever vibe check is completely unnecessary and more of a problem than the recommendations themselves. There should be enough wiggle room in the thread replies to ask about and discuss similar topics, especially since actual sapphic spaces are overwhelmingly trans positive so most actual queer women that come here are going to have different expectations.

As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.

This aint rocket surgery, games on here basically require a penis free/vagina only path. Plenty of games listed here have dicks as an option whether it's game like Her Desire with a Fem MC where it's possible to make choices that involve dicks or avoid them all together or games like Bad Memories were the player can choose to be a Fem or Male MC the former vagina only the latter not. Games on here can have a Futa option but that option must be avoidable, if a futa MC is the only option then the game don't get listed here. If futas are unavoidable in game play the game don't get listed here.

 

[afterlights]

And it's easy, too, to put any futa talk on ignore.

 

[UntrustableBackstabber]

First of, the pansexual explanation was meant for BlackFoxC.

Now that that's covered let's get philosophical.

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Even though i was born in 2000, I already feel old for my age... Since there are so many new word.
TLDR: Basically "Gender" is currently very wobbly in this decade and everyone have their own understanding on what "Gender" is, Most People assume "other people" gender based on their perception but sometimes it is wrong because the "Other People" actually think otherwise. If that sort of situation happen irl it is quite easy to settle it by just "Agreeing to the "Other People" about what they think their gender is." But online most people here are doubtful, like how I didn't trust Moshiko Opinion about Bisexual and Lesbian because I have met other that think like me which is the same as how Moshiko think i'm just saying stuff without experiencing it first hand. I suppose debate wise I have lost since Moshiko use Wiki definition of Gender.

But there is still something that is quite strange "Even women who are technically bisexual but are 90% attracted to women and 10% attracted to men often identify as lesbians because it communicates the idea of their sexual orientation more accurately" well yes we do that to with Math, like numbers from 1.49 to 1 is counted as 1 and numbers from 1.51 to 2 is counted as 2. I feels like from what you are saying is the word "Bisexual" are slowly dying because the A Female Bisexual who is 60% into woman identify as Lesbian while a Female Bisexual who is 40% into woman identify as Straight. But sadly no one can stop it I suppose.
I guess I should prepare myself when the word Lesbian get seperated into 5 different sub clan because Bisexual terms will cease to exist :V
But then again Yuri Tag and Shoujo Ai are different tag so it is possible it will happen. Yes I know Japan didn't think so but Globally it is how it works. Yuri is more sexual lesbian relationship and Shoujo AI is the emotional lesbian relationship (Manga is usually good when it have both).

I feels like most argument about gender happen because people generalize stuff differently than others. Like what American think as normal might not be normal in South East Asia.

But ehhh I'm not that smart and too lazy to quote historical people so I'm just writing about what I think, heck i'm even sure I butcher a lot of english in this post too.

Fuck's sake y'all. That list of dating sims I put up a week or two ago had 2 trans protagonists and no one said a goddamn thing, which kinda gets to the heart of the problem; people keep equating stuff that aren't equal and talking past each other.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-

• The method of depiction is as important as the content. There's a word of difference between media that fetishizes and media that depicts with accuracy and sincerity. If someone tries to say 'oops i fell on my horny stepmoms giant cock and now im pregnat!' and something like
  You must be registered to see the links
  are equivalent just because they both have women with penises: they're bullshitting! One is purely fetishistic and the other is not remotely sexualized. I will die on the hill that within media there's a major distinction between what's labeled 'futa' and what's labeled 'trans'.
• Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit. What's a deal breaker for one might be completely innocuous for another, so someone trying to be an authority on anything other than themselves is bullshitting. If there's going to be some kind of categories or standards, it's best to go by general consensus which is subject to change, disagreement, and edge cases that don't quite fit. There's wiggle room. That's why I didn't hesitate to put forward those 2 games with the rest and why no one cared.

With those in mind: I find having the thread standards be against futa is fine since the fetishistic aspects tend to override everything else. But swinging after anything with trans characters regardless of framing is heavy-handed. Keep them off the list proper if you want, but jumping someone for recommendations they were upfront about the content of, were outside the main list, and that don't have men/fits the sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever vibe check is completely unnecessary and more of a problem than the recommendations themselves. There should be enough wiggle room in the thread replies to ask about and discuss similar topics, especially since actual sapphic spaces are overwhelmingly trans positive so most actual queer women that come here are going to have different expectations.

As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.

I think what everyone tend to forget is "we are a terminally online people that look for lesbian game like a Vulture in the desert." Like you said before, most sapphic community is usually pro trans but this is literally a pirating website for porn... Literally.

Most of us here are cuckoo in the head one way or another because we know "We are anonymous no one cares if we talk like a lunatic in front of people we never knew about.". I will stand on my "Crazy People Island" that what count as a Lesbian game is when "MC is feminine or androgynous physique and have a pussy without a dick" dating "someone that have feminine or androgynous physique and have a pussy without a dick" mostly because I usually self insert as the MC, but eh thats Personal Opinion.

I feels like we need a concrete rule for this thread. Like what is allowed and what is not, like we need to put a sign "Warning! Rabid Lesbian Fans Reside Here! Please look at the rule!"
So if anyone break the rule, we can go full redneck mode and hunt them down while Old Timey BGM play on the background as we say "What yerr sayin bout dis Game, Young One? Lesbian Game? Oooh I ain't gonna forgive yerr ass fer that, Young One~"

 

[Moshiko.atrftb]

But there is still something that is quite strange "Even women who are technically bisexual but are 90% attracted to women and 10% attracted to men often identify as lesbians because it communicates the idea of their sexual orientation more accurately" well yes we do that to with Math, like numbers from 1.49 to 1 is counted as 1 and numbers from 1.51 to 2 is counted as 2. I feels like from what you are saying is the word "Bisexual" are slowly dying because the A Female Bisexual who is 60% into woman identify as Lesbian while a Female Bisexual who is 40% into woman identify as Straight. But sadly no one can stop it I suppose.

Not really... more people identify as bisexual than lesbian or gay (4 percent of the population vs 3 percent). I think maybe the percentage example gave you the wrong idea... take the

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as an example instead; people who are two, three, and four on the scale would usually identify as bisexual, while zero and one would identify as straight and five and six as gay.

Even though i was born in 2000, I already feel old for my age... Since there are so many new word.
TLDR: Basically "Gender" is currently very wobbly in this decade and everyone have their own understanding on what "Gender" is, Most People assume "other people" gender based on their perception but sometimes it is wrong because the "Other People" actually think otherwise. If that sort of situation happen irl it is quite easy to settle it by just "Agreeing to the "Other People" about what they think their gender is." But online most people here are doubtful, like how I didn't trust Moshiko Opinion about Bisexual and Lesbian because I have met other that think like me which is the same as how Moshiko think i'm just saying stuff without experiencing it first hand. I suppose debate wise I have lost since Moshiko use Wiki definition of Gender.

I mean, I was born in the 2000s, too... and I didn't really see this a debate, more so an informational. As to your comment on gender "being currently very wobbly", well, yes, yes, it is. And it always has been. There were times when dressing in a way opposite to what's expected of your gender was enough to label you as "not a man/woman", so if you think about it from that direction, it's the most stable it's ever been. I'm not going to get too deep into the philosophy of the matter and why I choose to identify as a woman despite how wobbly the concept might be. But hey, feel free to keep pulling at that thread and see what gender means to you! Just a fair warning a lot of people come non-binary out the other end.

I feels like most argument about gender happen because people generalize stuff differently than others. Like what American think as normal might not be normal in South East Asia.

Funny that you mention Southeast Asia... In the Philippines being gay and effeminate is enough to classify you as an entirely different

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[middude]

Not really... more people identify as bisexual than lesbian or gay (4 percent of the population vs 3 percent). I think maybe the percentage example gave you the wrong idea... take the

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as an example instead; people who are two, three, and four on the scale would usually identify as bisexual, while zero and one would identify as straight and five and six as gay.



I mean, I was born in the 2000s, too... and I didn't really see this a debate, more so an informational. As to your comment on gender "being currently very wobbly", well, yes, yes, it is. And it always has been. There were times when dressing in a way opposite to what's expected of your gender was enough to label you as "not a man/woman", so if you think about it from that direction, it's the most stable it's ever been. I'm not going to get too deep into the philosophy of the matter and why I choose to identify as a woman despite how wobbly the concept might be. But hey, feel free to keep pulling at that thread and see what gender means to you! Just a fair warning a lot of people come non-binary out the other end.



Funny that you mention Southeast Asia... In the Philippines being gay and effeminate is enough to classify you as an entirely different

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not directly related to the quote, but just read some of the discussions you were having, with UntrustableBackstabber, and i think i can actually relate somewhat to him: bit lazy to read a lot of research but still curious, so preference to ask blunt questions to people, which probably leads to many arguments, which in turn mightve made him more insensitive to the stress that people in general get from altercating(or maybe its neurological?), then because of previous actions, this is probably his efficient method to basically get more direct focused info which at that moment are interesting to him, or maybe hes just bored. atleast thats how i feel about it myself from my own perspective sometimes- actually generally NOT meanspirited, still triggering, and thus often misunderstood as a "threat".
i made some assumptions, but i like that shit.

Anyway, just wanted to give you some kudos for finding the patience, and showing a fresh breath to the vagueness of the whole gender phenomenon. you seem to be able to look at it from a more rational perspective. many people who subscribe to these gender acceptance try to gaslight people into making it seem like its some sort of biological science that should make perfect sense, or theyre bigots(emotionally defensive, not intentionally manipulative I think mostly). anyway, this creates these sides of people who get angry at eachother, and feel attacked by eachother. although this probably poltically stimulated for division, but i wont delve too deep. maybe you noticed that he wasnt actually a bad guy trying to be hurtful after all, and made a last attempt to give some perspective. So in final, the actual point: What you did is what i think the best, maybe only, way for everyone to find actual tolerance and acceptance for eachothers differences: patience, openness for new ideas, and willingness to teach. And I just love seeing people, who according to what we see in the media should be mortal enemies, actually have some constructive interaction. even if possibly both of you had nothing more interesting to do haha

so theres my attempt at positive reinforcement, and appreciation!

KEEP IT UP YO!

now yall can go back to lesbian porn

 

[CboyC95]

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[UntrustableBackstabber]

Some ebi-hime games would fit that, but not all of them are fully lesbian. So I recommend you check

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to find the right ones.


Short comment, maybe it's influence from your first language but your use of "he", "his", "him" suggests you think that UntrustableBackstabber is male. Let's just say I wouldn't assume that.

People assume everyone in the internet as male anyway.
It is not like Girl is on a porn site and want a Lesbian Game about how the female MC get dommed or domming other girls because she self insert herself as MC right :V
Girls don't use the internet, they are pure being that doesn't vomit, pee, and poop~

Anyway, I'm going back to imagining myself as a Female MC that get corrupted into a Succubus by a Succubus Queen as she sucks my pussy and play with my tits then Push her down to reverse rape her because the Succubus Queen never let me taste her pussy while our succubus tail intertwine. Just a Roomate thought btw, nothing sus here.

 

[metalspace]

What happened to this tread? The discussion here is more existential than the one one surrounding the presidential elections. I just want new lesbian harem games.

 

[middude]

Some ebi-hime games would fit that, but not all of them are fully lesbian. So I recommend you check

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to find the right ones.


Short comment, maybe it's influence from your first language but your use of "he", "his", "him" suggests you think that UntrustableBackstabber is male. Let's just say I wouldn't assume that.

i wasnt 100% sure, agreed. but I do feel we should still be allowed to assume things on the internet. we basically make assumptions, in all kinds of ways, all the time. but sexes/gender assumptions are more loaded because of recent times. Thats why, unless i was made aware, i will still make gender/sex assumptions based how people act. but i have no problem whatsoever pronouncing people in their preferred(within reason he/she/they), ways. We should try to be respectful to eachother, but not expect people to either jump through 10 mental gymnastic hoops, or else feel disrespected. thats where understanding eachother comes in!

 

[CboyC95]

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[damnedfrog]

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CboyC95, what are you doing?
Posting link to a lesbian game, instead of arguing about genders, how to consider transwomen, and the like?!