GokutheG
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Did you really just ask why a woman who isn't interested in guys wouldn't call themselves bi?
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Yes, because I'm genuinely curious because Moshiko.atrftb said that they know a girl who only like trans girl AKA having a penis than a vagina but claim to be Lesbian? Like why? Is it a fetish thing or does the girl just like futanari as Ideal Parner or is this how People think these days?
If people can think that a "Lesbian" can only like girl with dick, why does people can't think that a "Bisexual" can also only like girl with dick? isn't that strange? Like really though, this is the first time i ever heard of "Genital Preference" and "Sexuality" to be separated, is this new?
Because let's me be honest for a bit I start liking woman because I literally hate dick, it disgust me and make me shiver everytime i see it, why? That's more personal so I wouldn't say why... Let's just say Bad Experience.
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Just because a trans girl has a penis doesn't make her less of woman.
A lesbian who likes a girl with a penis doesn't mean she'd be interested in a guy with a penis.
Let's get this back on topic. What are yall favorite settings for a lesbian game?
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I can always keep more than one conversation at once.
For the first one, then why did the trans girl keep the penis if they want to be a girl? Money problem is a good excuse but other than that... Why keep it?
For second part, then what is a "Bisexual" if it isn't Liking Both characteristic for Male and Female? I say both not just separating it as male and female. Both means a Bisexual liking a Dick and a Boob, after that the appearance can look female or male but a Bisexual can also not liking Masculine Male or Someone that think they are male.
Fantasy, because fantasy race usually have more erogenous zone than a normal human like wings for angel, tail for kemonomimi and demon, and ears for elf.
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Discussion and debate is good when it's civil, and I can even take a bit of uncivil debate if it's on a decent topic and the other side seems more just abrasive than being a troll. I'm not saying the other person has to be super formal or anything, but if I feel like the other person doesn't respect me, then it doesn't feel like I'm having a worthy conversation, and at best I'm playing to the peanut gallery; However, I understand there's language barriers or different ways people might speak, and sometimes the other person might just be tilted for other reasons and letting it leak out, so I can give a bit of leeway there.
However, this (now multi-week) spat is basically just complaining and not going to lead to anything interesting, and frankly it feels like a lot of the more substantiate debate I've seen in this thread has been of the uncivil kind. I don't really feel like it's worth staying that up-to-date anymore, when I could be writing smut or learning to draw.
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it has nothing to do with this “interesting” conversation, but this is the way pal, i guess many of us are bored due to the fucking lack of lesbian games that last more than 1 hour.
instead of making discussions that are not going to lead to anything, better to learn how to do these things, personally I am getting into writing to see if someday I create a lesbian game that I have had in my mind for a long time.
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True but every debate can be loud when it comes to something they believe in. Like I don't give a damn about Politics, religion, culture, but what I'm stubborn with are Sexuality and it feels like I'm in a Time Bubble since I heard a lot of things that I havent heard about or something that seems strange in my mind.
Respect hmmm? I never really understand that, what count as "Respecting" people opinion and "Just a normal Debate" especially when it comes to debating something everyone have a personal experience in because If people are respecting people decision then the debate end with just "You believe in what you want, and I believe in what I want." Which is usually the usual stalemate when you are friend with someone but doesn't want to hurt them because you have a different opinion, but those only work for friends i suppose. We are just some randos on internet in same thread.
Like I'm gonna be real with you, i don't know you and you don't know me, we are both fine making each other piss off, lol. Or maybe I'm just an asshole, but ehhhh At least I'm an asshole with standard because I at least convey how i feel, Mostly because I remember people can't read mind and what they think as "Not Angry" might get conveyed as angry because they cant see face, lol.
Honestly I'm more curious than starting a debate like in my mind it is more "Wait, what? What do you means by this new word? Why does people think "Sexuality" work this way when this other "Sexuality" exist?"
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I've always had little story ideas but I never expanded them to an entire story. Do you have any tips to look for to get better at writing? I've heard that knowing where the story ends and working back from that is a good idea. Is that true and do you know of any more?
is not a lesbian. Pan or bi.
Okay, UntrustableBackstabber, I'm going to address this one by one.
Why would a lesbian call herself a lesbian if she likes dick?
Is it a fetish to prefer girls with dicks?
What does bisexual and pansexual mean?
If a trans woman doesn't want to go through surgery, does that mean she wants to be a futa?
I wrote this as clearly as I could, it's fine if you have more questions, but if you are just going to repeat the same points I'm not going to engage.
Why would a lesbian call herself a lesbian if she likes dick?
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Is it a fetish to prefer girls with dicks?
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What does bisexual and pansexual mean?
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If a trans woman doesn't want to go through surgery, does that mean she wants to be a futa?
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I wrote this as clearly as I could, it's fine if you have more questions, but if you are just going to repeat the same points I'm not going to engage.
The first step is expanding the ideas into full stories. Getting better is just a matter of practice and feedback/advice from the right people.
I'll explain my rough process for expanding ideas into stories, but I hear these change from writer to writer.
-I think of an idea I'm really passionate about. Stupid example: paintings come to life.
-I build out the world. Stupid example: What are the consequences of this? Why are the paintings coming to life? What powers to the paintings have?
-I build the foundations of a story with a beginning, middle, and end. In my opinion, every good writer (except for Steven King) knows how their story will end. As for where to start, I usually start from a rough beginning and then just switch between the three until the idea solidifies in my mind. Stupid example: Painter falls in love with a painting she painted, another painting kills that painting, she goes on a quest for revenge, she realizes she can just paint that painting again, she realizes that painting was kind of obnoxious actually, she breaks up with the painting and paints a rebound painting, that painting can travel back in time and it goes back to kill the first painting because its jealous and we realize she painted the painting that killed her other painting all along the end.
If you ever need advice on actually writing the stuff down, send me a DM, I'll be more than happy to help.
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https://f95zone.to/threads/help-i-a...ous-mother-watches-development-thread.232022/
Just released my game, which is all-lez.
Just released my game, which is all-lez.
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Ok, now I remember you.
And I'll repeat what I said last time.
This topic is not about you.
It's about lesbian protagonist games, without a penis. It's that simple.
If you want "lesbian" games with a penis, there are futanari topics, and no, I doubt a lot of people care what you think about that word. Especially since once again, initially the topic is not about real life, nor you, but a porn genre.
I'm not denying who you are, what/who you like, who is you girlfriend, what/who she likes. But this is not the subject of the topic, even if once again it devolved into this.
And no, this is not an attack, so take a deep breath and feel free to ignore me if you must, I'm just a stranger on the internet.
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Nonono, this was me genuinely asking so it is my fault.
For first answer, Fair but i still don't understand why girls that like girl with dick doesn't want to call themself "Bisexual"? Is it because most Bisexual like Male and Female? I have met a Bisexual Girl that only like a girl with a dick, and her explanation is quite easy to understand which is simply "I like girls and dick but I don't like male appearance so yeah, I'm a Bisexual."
Second answer... fair enough most people preference are different but back to my question for first answer i suppose.
Third answer... Yeah everyone know those but every word evolve with time and Pansexual doesn't even get mentioned in my question. And "Pulling-out of my ass"? I don't know about you on how you think like that when I didn't even call your "Lesbian that like dick" as "Pulling-out of my ass" when I literally said I never heard of it before and instead wish to understand your way of thinking so please don't use such a Lowblow.
Fourth Answer: Fair enough so TLDR: Transgirl are either choose to not lose their dick or doesn't have money to do it. That is an answer i can fully accept on why Transgirl want to keep their dick.
Fifth answer, Yes, some of them are clear but only some. You still haven't answer "Why didn't a lesbian that like dick doesn't want to be counted as Bisexual" except for "Because she doesn't like men". So lets say if I put a woman mind in a male body would they like it? since that should count as a "Woman" using your own reasoning or what If it is an Androgynous physique without a vagina or penis but a mind of a "Man". As stupid as it sounds "What is a Man?" (Thanks Mr. Dracula) is it how they act or the body?
So let me simplified it, Did we perhaps have this debate because we have a different way of thinking of "What most girl think as "Men" is it on the Mind or the Physical." Like for example i would think a transgirl that have a vagina and a breasts as a woman and not a transgirl but I would think a transgirl that have a dick and breasts as "Futanari" or "Hermaphodite" AKA a third gender that aren't male or female but both. If you agree with this I suppose I can say I understand why we think differently regarding this.
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If you ask me, what is important is a "Main quest" or "Goal", is it a person or something else it is your choice but a Story always need a "Main quest" that makes YOU as a writer interested in writing. I have written a very sandbox-like story and I start losing my fun when I realize "The Main quest is boring and dull, it is too simple. there is no story to tell except "Adventuring" until MC get to that simple goal.". Most writer will say "Writing from Ending" is important but I think the Prologue is the most important one because the prologue is how You as a writer and readers get invested to the story after that the most important think about the story is "Main Quest". Why did i say that? Simply because if the story you write already have an ending you as a writer will get bored because you already have a specific ending in mind.
Another tips might be, I'm suggesting to add a sidestory where the perspective is not the MC, it always keep me going on what other character think of MC action when you spend most of the story about your MC. It also makes the character you write less of "This cardboard with inserted personality" and more "a Person living their own life as their own protagonist".
First of, the pansexual explanation was meant for BlackFoxC.
Now that that's covered let's get philosophical.
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Fuck's sake y'all. That list of dating sims I put up a week or two ago had 2 trans protagonists and no one said a goddamn thing, which kinda gets to the heart of the problem; people keep equating stuff that aren't equal and talking past each other.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-
As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.
If stuff with trans characters can fly completely under the radar like that, it's because those games didn't have sexual content so it was never present in a sexual context. Everyone's fine with that because, trans or not, they fit the bill for a female character and slot into lesbian/sapphic/WLW/yuri/whatever you wanna call it romantic dynamics without issue. What do genitals matter if they never come up?
Anyways, 2 main points we work with from that-
- The method of depiction is as important as the content. There's a word of difference between media that fetishizes and media that depicts with accuracy and sincerity. If someone tries to say 'oops i fell on my horny stepmoms giant cock and now im pregnat!' and something like
You must be registered to see the linksare equivalent just because they both have women with penises: they're bullshitting! One is purely fetishistic and the other is not remotely sexualized. I will die on the hill that within media there's a major distinction between what's labeled 'futa' and what's labeled 'trans'.
- Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit. What's a deal breaker for one might be completely innocuous for another, so someone trying to be an authority on anything other than themselves is bullshitting. If there's going to be some kind of categories or standards, it's best to go by general consensus which is subject to change, disagreement, and edge cases that don't quite fit. There's wiggle room. That's why I didn't hesitate to put forward those 2 games with the rest and why no one cared.
As usual I want to close on a more positive note, so I'll ask explicitly: anyone got any good edge cases? Games that are about relationships (sexual or not, but definitely romantic) between women (trans or not, but definitely not men)? Something that hits the WLW vibe but not this thread's exact rules? Something to spice up another slow period cause idle hands get in slap fights apparently.
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I think you are looking a little too deep into things.
The reason I personally didn't say anything about your list containing futa, is because I didn't look through your list, but if you want, i can edit my post, and inclue said games in my question, why suggest them here?
"Personal preferences are personal. Once stuff gets sexual, people get super prickly because of their own genital preferences. That's fine if they're aware it's their own personal preferences and not a universal law of nature or some shit."
You're right on that one, but I'll never repeat myself enough, this is a penis less topic. People preference is pretty clear. You don't see any of us going to futa topics asking for games without futa.
We're talking about games here, not real life. So people getting pissed over things because of their real life issues and beliefs is annoying.
Yet, I'll notice something, when it comes to shitstorm with futa content, it's always the same 2 people involved (3 if you include me on the other side of the argument).
And to answer your last question.
-Kindred Spirits on rooftop
-highway blossom
-Blackberry Honey
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I'm not entirely sure if that one is what you would look for, but the story evolves around the relationship between two female characters, it's kind of romantic, but not at the same level as the previous games. The relationship is very important though.-
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same, the relationship is very important, but that one is dark (and free), but mostly dark.-
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this one is about the relationship between a witch huntress knight and a witch, it has gameplay, not just a visual novel.-
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this one is mostly about the story instead of the relationships, but there are multiple romantic partners. Be aware that the translation is pretty rough though.-
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-Two Princesses Knights of Kyoto 2 and Two Princesses Knight of Kyoto I couldn't get into those two, so I don't know how important is the romantic relationship.
If it's romance and nothing else you are looking for, I'd go for either Kindred spirits on the rooftop, highway blossom, blackberry honey or nurse love.