Futaba isn't fat by any real definition of the word. She doesn't even look close to an unhealthy weight
I wouldn't call her weight outright unhealthy by itself, not yet anyway, but I would call it borderline as it can still lead to other issues. Strain on the body resulting in harder work for the circulatory system and, if it works hard enough, that could overwork the heart and cause damage to it which could be fatal.
Weight is the measure of gravity on an object and the more mass an object has, Futaba in this case, the more gravity will affect that object. The more gravity affects a person, the harder they have to work to overcome that effect and the more strain their body goes through to overcome it. The more strain the body goes through, the harder the circulatory system works to keep oxygen and nutrients supplied to the strained parts of the body and still be able to supply the rest of the body, which by extension means the heart pumps harder and faster.
The heart can only safely take around 100BPM sustained and anything after that is considered emergency territory, which is automatically life threatening given this is the heart and not some broken leg or something. The more weight a person has, the higher that heart rate is going to go on a sustained basis until it just gives up altogether or the person loses weight and the strain that comes with it.
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The above does remind me of how great the lengths some with go to to justify putting down or even discriminating against those who are heavier than they think they should be. We've had to live with such words from "Concern Trolls," people who will insist that they are putting us down "for our own good," for much of our lives.
The heart is a VERY delicate muscle that can be affected by such things and given how much this game makes its players care about the characters, it makes sense that people would be concerned about this with Futaba. Selebus has done an incredible job at making these girls as human as he can and that comes with the potential to make us concerned for their well being not just based on events, but based on health and other issues that really only affect real people, not that Futaba could die due to strain too great for the heart to handle since she's still not real and doesn't actually have a heart to strain, but the game has such quality writing as to make us feel as though she is someone who could because of how human she is written to be.
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I think you misunderstand. I have seen many on this thread citing "she's unhealthy" as the reason to reject her. How is that a "concern for [her] well being?" If you were not writing in support of those who would reject Futaba, then I misunderstood you intention. I'm sorry if I did. Your arguments seemed, to me, to be supporting the anti-Futaba, "No fat chicks," contingent.
Not everyone knows what the point at which the body starts to take adverse effects from weight is and the people who don't aren't going to necessarily judge by how healthy she actually is, but by how unhealthy they think she looks based on their lacking knowledge. They would then reject her based on this, admittedly currently false, assessment.
I was not responding in support of those who rejected Futaba based on her apparent weight and I am in fact supporting her regardless of that in this case because of how well she is written, I normally wouldn't just because she's not my type for other reasons. I don't think there's a character in the entire game I could reject because the writing is so good on all of them.
She does seem to be bordering the point of health concerns, not quite there, but that won't be an issue because the girls' health is not part of the game and they cannot suffer adverse effects like real people can. The only things that can happen are entirely plot related, including if someone dies, which I don't see happening for some time if at all. Denpa games can be like that, super dark with characters dying left and right or super dark with no characters dying even if they are never the same again by the end. It's all up to Selebus how that gets handled.
I agree. Above the "standard" weight or whatever that might be called, maybe, but fat? No.
And adding a bit to the discussion below, while I agree that health is an important issue: First I don't see futaba being unhealthy. And second so long as you're healthy enough (and yes, enough. Nobody is perfectly healthy and living your everyday thinking about what's healthy and what's not is a pain so screw it) and comfortable with yourself I don't see the problem.
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Agreed.
I think Futaba's story is gonna be a lot more about improving her self-image and her self-confidence, over actually losing weight to "improve herself". The only thing really "unhealthy" about her at this point is her attitude towards herself.
Agreed, I'm technically the opposite, considered underweight by medical standards, but not enough to be an immediate concern. I don't take any specific measures to try and raise my weight because I have not been told I am in danger from being underweight. If I was in danger, I would do something about it immediately, but I don't see a point in putting in extra effort without an imminent threat.
I definitely see that happening, maybe it will be more about improving how she handles herself socially than it will be about how she handles her appearance and apparent health. She seems a bit too cowardly and mousy at the moment for her own good. I mean, what if we see a new character come in and do the same thing Yumi does for actual nefarious purposes? She isn't currently able to stand up for herself and put her foot down against someone like that, so that is the most imminent threat to her right now, not her weight or any health concerns she may be at the mercy of sooner or later.
She isn't really above average either. She's got big boobs and a large frame which apparently on the internet makes her a whale. You can only really describe her as big in comparison to her classmates. Her poor health, so far as we know, is due to her self-image causing her to starve herself so kinda the opposite of being caused by excess weight.
The whole "Yumi's giving her tough love" argument is garbage because Futaba isn't even really overweight. Yumi's just being a bully. Bullies bully to assert control because they have very little (whether at home or over themselves). I still enjoy Yumi as a character but she's absolutely being a bitch then when the others say "hey stop being a bitch" she can tell herself nobody likes her anyway so she's right not to make an effort.
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I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!
The question is, how much can we trust a developer who has a name that sounds like that of a demon? Perhaps the demon of class subject outlines...
Most people on the internet have zero in depth knowledge of the way weight and fat works in terms of human biology, making her a "whale" to them on appearance alone. I would not consider this to be the case, but it will definitely prove and already has proven to be a social and mental health threat to her through her own reactions to Yumi as all she does is cower instead of standing up to Yumi, which has to be mentally stressful.
The whole 'tough love' argument isn't garbage because, again, it is highly unlikely Yumi has the specialized knowledge, even a basic level of it, to understand the difference between what she calls fat and what actually would be fat. I would disagree with Futaba not being overweight, even slightly overweight to the point where she is not in danger from it is still overweight just like my being a bit underweight without being in danger from being underweight is still underweight.
If Yumi was just being a bully for the sake of bullying, we would be seeing much worse over time, or so my own personal experience as the victim of bullying would suggest. She would eventually get bored of the same old response and seek a stronger response to her actions, which inherently requires stronger actions as the victim starts to fall into a routine response or becomes desensitized by the repeated abuse outright. Once the victim becomes desensitized to the same old treatment, that treatment will no longer work and the bully would lose control entirely.
She is absolutely being a bitch, though, I'll give you that one, but she doesn't know any way other than the 'might is right' way of the Yakuza she grew up with.
We better watch out, he could throw us for a loop at any moment. I like his work and trust him in general to get the project done, but I can't exactly say I trust him as far as what happens in the game's events, wouldn't want to trust him and suddenly find Rin having another breakdown that she ultimately doesn't recover from.I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!
The question is, how much can we trust a developer who has a name that sounds like that of a demon? Perhaps the demon of class subject outlines...
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I expect the purpose of Yumi is to learn to trust and not push people away as a form of protection.
I'm reminded of how children who grow up in a naturist environment, seeing different body types without judgement, tend to have a healthier attitude regarding body image and acceptance. They are also less vulnerable to predation and are less likely to have unplanned teen pregnancies'. With the media, we have, for generations, been taught that only certain body types are "acceptable," only people with certain body types should be seen unclothed. Much like how people who watch porn consider an average penis to be small.
We must not forget that this game is considered a horror game.
I suspect that about Yumi as well. Environments like the Yakuza teach the opposite, be as strong as you can be and push anyone you don't already trust, which should be basically not even your closest friends, away. She seems to have backed off a bit before the story began through the lack of pushing Chika away, so there is hope in that respect.
The thing with media and porn especially is they tend to overdo things. All things in moderation are okay, but doing them too much to either side is a bad thing. The media is pushing the opposite bad side of things and not moderation as the ideal, much like the fashion industry does.
Yes, this is a horror game, Denpa genre specifically. Selebus could pull anything on us at any time, which is why my guard is never down around this game. I am literally expecting something at any and every given moment I play because not only could he put anything anywhere, but I have a nasty habit of just stumbling right into things without even realizing I unlocked them. This has gotten me through a perfect run so far, but one of these days it's going to lead me right into a 'happy' scene or worse that I was not yet prepared to handle.
I would say the opposite on that first part, I'm actually really into that, but that's something that is extremely hard to do right when using graphics that are almost completely prearranged. Selebus would be lucky he chose Koikatsu if he ever decided to go with a deflowering scene because Koikatsu can do it, but not every game with an attached graphics maker like Koikatsu's CharaStudio is capable of it. Then there's the issue of realism, which Selebus made part of the game to an extent in how he wrote the characters, so he might want to do it that way with the scene as well, but not all virgins show any visible sign, meaning there would have to be a dialogue cue that it happened like the girl mentioning it. It gets to be a real pain to set up once you take all that into account, so I would typically stay clear of scenes like that in a game like this from a developer standpoint.
You're right on the second, there is way more to this game than any one fetish type, sometimes causing a clash because people reefuse to play with a certain fetish, but not often and it is more likely to bring more people into the game than anything. Then there's the beautiful writing, which brings those that actually take the time to play the game for a while closer to the characters as if they were real people. We laugh, we cry, we get pissed off all because of the things that happen to them. I'll tell you now, I was about two seconds from punching player Sensei for that one Miku part because it made me so angry that he tried to pressure her into rushing things and I was extremely worried I would never see Rin again after "Delirium" because of the state she was in. Futaba has me similarly worried that she'll snap one of these days before she can get some backbone because Yumi is obviously pressuring her way too much no matter her intentions.
I haven't reached this point in the story yet but I suspect it might have the same effect on me. I have to say it's the first time I paid so much attention to the story of a game in a long time, porn game or otherwise lol.I think a lot of my reaction this week has been about Futaba's story after the beach vacation, trying to take unhealthy steps to change her body. I made me feel so much compassion and empathy for this fictional character. I didn't want anyone putting her down!
That's why I put standard between quotation marks. I was refering to what society sees as the standard of beauty, but I might have done a poor job reflecting that
Well I also have missed this event，and…it's 667 days now…Should I repeat all days too？Well, after 10 days of play, I finally have my first blocked scene,Love Life, Let Go. It's because I didn't do the second happy scene by leaving the dorms and progressed too far with the girls before I finally realized I needed to do that. Now I want to go back and repeat all these days.... Of course, now that I know what I'm doing, it it won't be 534 days to get back to where I am.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going back to the 7th of August (Day 128), when the decision point had not been passed. Affection is no longer 40-60, but oh well. All my other games will have to wait a week longer.
Damn. That means I have to through Nothing Was Missing, Except Me and Delirium.
Wow. Knowing what is ahead, I am feeling anxiety.
A testament to how good this game is.
Disclosure, I have suffered from Clinical Depression most of my life, so I have an extra dose of empathy here.
Does the event will effect on Rin’s story badly？
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Yeah, I think so. In my opinion undermines much of her progress as well as her trust of Sensei as well as her recovery post-confession.Well I also have missed this event，and…it's 667 days now…Should I repeat all days too？
I went back to a save point before the scene that causes the break and I'm now caught up. I'm glad to be on this timeline now. I noticed with dependencies, if you miss a missable scene like that, it can have a bit of a cascade, where you miss another scene, which may cause another missed scene, and so on. Personally, the way I'm approaching the game, I'd recommend going back before schadenfreude and make sure it doesn't trigger until after the events of the beach.
Little by little, I'm moving my focus to those games where the story does grab me like that. Since I'm also moving away from creepy asshole MCs (who never change), I'm glad Sensei is growing as time goes on. I have trust that he will continue to develop more compassion and caring as time goes on.
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