Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[worthlesspeon]

The only thing i see in their ToS that could be an issue is the following :



Is loli illegal in the USA ?

I think that's still an open question legally speaking, hasn't really been tested in courts.

Obviously zero. It says "real people".

Real people is with respect to the child pornography (and also subscribestar doesn't allow real porn at all to avoid the record keeping requirements). Points 1, 2, 3, and 6 in that image are all things this game or associated content contains. Arguably 5 as well.

 

[vehemental]

Obviously zero. It says "real people".

I wasn't talking about the CP part. The custom renders feature beastiality, animal cruelty, and rape, and the game features incest, self-harm, suicide, and a fuckton of "filthy or disgusting words or pictures."

All of which is against SS TOS.

 

[Black Raven]

I think that's still an open question legally speaking, hasn't really been tested in courts.

Unlikely that Lessons in Love would be the first then although that trial would be fun to watch.

Real people is with respect to the child pornography (and also subscribestar doesn't allow real porn at all to avoid the record keeping requirements). Points 1, 2, 3, and 6 in that image are all things this game or associated content contains. Arguably 5 as well.

I wasn't talking about the CP part. The custom renders feature beastiality, animal cruelty, and rape, and the game features incest, self-harm, suicide, and a fuckton of "filthy or disgusting words or pictures."

All of which is against SS TOS.

I don't think so, no. Just because they felt the need to be specific about CP doesn't imply that they're not only talking about real stuff elsewhere. By default "bestiality" (for example) means "bestiality", not "bestiality and also all fictional depictions of it on all supports".

It would just be plain absurd to ban fake bestiality/rape/incest but not fake CP.

For reference, here is the Patreon version :

we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations.

Of course SS could still remove LiL at any point using the more ambiguous parts of their ToS like "Filthy, or disgusting words or pictures" or even "obscene or immoral purpose". But like Worthless Peon said, that would be a very dumb decision in terms of business as of right now.

 

[Bungleborf83]

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

 

[vehemental]

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

No one's going to report the game, lol. And even if they did, I'm sure SS would "lose it in the mail" given their content moderation department is probably one guy and a cockroach working from home in Belarus.

It is incredible how aggro he is when he only has one payment processor left. Annual passes are gone and the game got banned from receiving money through itch.io too.

 

[ocworld]

Annual passes are gone and the game got banned from receiving money through itch.io too.

what happened

 

[vehemental]

what happened

No idea. I think itch happened last year because of the content but I have no idea when or why the annual passes disappeared.

 

[ocworld]

No idea. I think itch happened last year because of the content but I have no idea when or why the annual passes disappeared.

I looked at itch.io game page and it's worse than half-dead Still worse than on f95
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[TheLarceny]

"Or have installed a previous version from a piracy site"

so the problem is not only with care packages? Or MC is just fucking with us?

personaly i think this time its just with the CP, but maybe in the future, even the pirated version of game can cause DRM problem

anyway we just can wait and see what the next update has for us.

 

[graz150]

However, I don't think anyone should extend this 'war', going after Sel or anything else. It'll just create more trouble and so on. What if people reporting his game to discord or subscribestar actually makes them go on a witch hunt and many other games end up affected?

For reals? No harm done, just download another save and keep on playing. This was a prank at most. If he did something that caused real harm for the computer, like a virus or malware, all bets are off.

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

That's the thing, whatever Selebus and his discord followers seems to think about F95 or pirates in general, we're at least not dumb enough to do something like that...
But we are on the Internet, this is a huge place with lots of people even outside of this forum, and if Selebus continues on this path, he will eventually end up upsetting that one dude who will answer without any care about collateral damages.
I'm not sure if even Selebus cares about collateral damages to his own subscribers at this point.

I mean, Selebus is the only one risking his livelihood over his little obsession, and if he's unable to see that, maybe someone close to him who cares enough, should tell him to back down before it goes too far.

Personally, I always saw LiL as an endless project who will never have a proper ending and will continues until the dev retires.
So I'm not particularly worried about what's going to happen. I just hope it happens as late as possible and without too much drama.

 

[b7512966]

You've got it reversed, it's Patreon that doesn't allow underage and/or loli or incest, that's one of the reasons SubscribeStar was formed. Also, it would not end with LiL, going after LiL in that way would be going after other games as well, potentially ones played by the one to go after LiL. It really isn't worth the collateral damage.

As another user posted, it is against the tos.
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The issue with most games of this genre is that they operate in a form of gray area. Be it because of the way they make the CGs, or because of the kind of content. But yes, it isn't worth the collateral damage. That is the real reason that most of these devs make their games free, not because of goodness of their hearts. I don't think they can legally sell these games. The people in patreon/Subscribestar aren't paying for the game, they are only supporting its creator. I'm not even sure if keeping these care packages behind a paywall would be legal. At least, that is how I understand it, and I'm not a lawyer, so take a grain of salt here.

The best way to keep having these games (and keep receiving money from them) is to not stir shit. I don't think Subscribestar wants to enforce these rules now, but everyone has to keep in mind that they might eventually.

Btw, I get why he is mad. Making games is hard work, and everyone wants to be paid when they work. What some devs don't get is that piracy is a good problem to have. It means, before anything, that people do want to play said game. And it will only happens when a bunch of people are playing a game. Things are bad when you don't have enough supporters to worry about leaked content.

 

[Vega Cifer]

Just played the update...definitely a lot to take in. I am now realizing all the talk of "gods" I've seen here and realizing how that could fit in with everything I've seen so far. Others messing with him, the "library". The questions, a dump of stuff

Also

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[KnowNoHope]

why

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

LMAO, you dont really read anyting here do you?
no one wants to 'fuck him over'
he is an ass
really is plain and simple
and he has pissed off more people than what come to this thread.
we are all aware of it
we are speculating what it will be, because it really is just a matter of time before someone takes pot shots at him for the hell of it, just for shits and giggles
I dont think the subscribestar thing is going to happen... at least not by any malicious means
big tech investor banks are falling like flies right now
SS may very well be hit and Sel wont be able to collect money if it is.

 

[Vizer007]

So, Sel decided to bomb the water stream because of a boulder in it? With atomic bomb?
I mean, even risking inconviniency for his patrons Oo
And f95 was pretty much one of the main sources of new blood, no?
Damn, I hope the lasting consequences of this will not hurt his productivity much.

 

[KnowNoHope]

So, Sel decided to bomb the water stream because of a boulder in it? With atomic bomb?
I mean, even risking inconviniency for his patrons Oo
And f95 was pretty much one of the main sources of new blood, no?
Damn, I hope the lasting consequences of this will not hurt his productivity much.

he made like an additional $1000 in subscribers like this month alone and that was after he attacked this place. he is fine for now.
long term though... I think its going to hurt him

 

[Jordan369]

Wouldn't playing the game without an internet connection prevent the DRM issue?

 

[searchcentral]

Guys, can anyone direct me where to get help with the newest puzzle? Specifically, what's Tojo Ramen's most important dish? Please?

 

[darkparts]

Guys, can anyone direct me where to get help with the newest puzzle? Specifically, what's Tojo Ramen's most important dish? Please?

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[Brokai]

So are affection points supposed to reset after the last reset or is it more of the care package dlc bullshit?

 

[b7512966]

Wouldn't playing the game without an internet connection prevent the DRM issue?

Yes, it would. The script is looking for a specific "Needs payment" code. Any other error will not erase your saves.
However, you will still have to deal with the "Osako" bug, where if she is in any scene you will get a crash.