Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.40.0] [Selebus]

[KnowNoHope]

Please don't, or Sel will write a 50-page essay about how raiding another site is wrong and how he'd never do something like that and that we should be ashamed of ourselves, then shove it in the next update. And he would probably believe himself as well.

he does that anyway, if it isn't that, it will just be something else. I would normally say dont do it, Sel will probably pull his head out of his butt and apologize... but rather than taking the month to reflect it seems he doubles down again. which is probably why they removed his subscribstar info this month so he no longer gets the free advertisement here. That in itself I would say is indicative that mods are just done with him at this point and I wouldn't be surprised if some that don't play this game are already doing that and worse.

 

[Algorist]

I'm curious about the people that said they paid for the care packages and still got their save erased. Usually, on these things, you ask for an oauth page or something. I did think that if anyone had recently cleaned their cookies, or was just not logged in their site at the moment, the drm could interpret that as a non paying user. Usually, after the error 402 screen you would give the person a chance to log in or pay for the thing in question. I'm not sure how the request is handled internally, but I believed a false positive could happen. I can't say if the people who complained are said the truth tho.

What I don't like about drm is that the people who don't pirate have to deal with the 'Osako bug', but the people pirating and removing the drm don't. Too many games have drm that screws with the paid player, but the pirates remove it and the game runs better.

However, I don't think anyone should extend this 'war', going after Sel or anything else. It'll just create more trouble and so on. What if people reporting his game to discord or subscribestar actually makes them go on a witch hunt and many other games end up affected?

For reals? No harm done, just download another save and keep on playing. This was a prank at most. If he did something that caused real harm for the computer, like a virus or malware, all bets are off.

Yep. They've squandered their chance of doing any real harm while we had our guards down. I realize that was not the intent, and for that I'm thankful (I want to kick myself, I can be so trusting at times). Now, I've taken measures to protect myself from whatever they try to implement next. Can't guarantee I'll be able to play the game if the DRM is particularly good, but at least my machine will be safe.

 

[b7512966]

Yep. They've squandered their chance of doing any real harm while we had our guards down. I realize that was not the intent, and for that I'm thankful (I want to kick myself, I can be so trusting at times). Now, I've taken measures to protect myself from whatever they try to implement next. Can't guarantee I'll be able to play the game if the DRM is particularly good, but at least my machine will be safe.

Good thing he didn't. Otherwise the people that were affected would have all the reason to go after discord/subscribestar and report him for breaking their ToS. Patreon may enforce these rules, but subscribestar doesn't allow underage characters or incest too. They may not enforce it for now, but it is in the rules.

 

[Anonym321]

What is a care package? I'm not a native english speaker so i don't understand

 

[KnowNoHope]

What is a care package? I'm not a native english speaker so i don't understand

it's DLC. Downloadable content you 'pay extrra' for with author commentary and non-canon story things/animation.

they are very bare bones based on descriptions and what others say about them. seem pointless to get too

 

[Anonym321]

it's DLC. Downloadable content you 'pay extrra' for with author commentary and non-canon story things/animation.

they are very bare bones based on descriptions and what others say about them. seem pointless to get too

Then what about posts about losing saves? Because i played version 29 and didn't lost them

 

[KnowNoHope]

Then what about posts about losing saves? Because i played version 29 and didn't lost them

if you installed the DLC there is code in it to delete your saves. if you didn't, no need to worry about it. if you did you need to replace some of the files that are contaminated with the code, these new files are provided on page 1 of this thread

 

[DrFree]

Then what about posts about losing saves? Because i played version 29 and didn't lost them

You lose saves if you install the pirated care packages.
If you didn't install them, youc an play the game as usual, I think.

Just don't install them, or us the front page's "DRM" post to bypass it.

 

[alex2011]

Good thing he didn't. Otherwise the people that were affected would have all the reason to go after discord/subscribestar and report him for breaking their ToS. Patreon may enforce these rules, but subscribestar doesn't allow underage characters or incest too. They may not enforce it for now, but it is in the rules.

You've got it reversed, it's Patreon that doesn't allow underage and/or loli or incest, that's one of the reasons SubscribeStar was formed. Also, it would not end with LiL, going after LiL in that way would be going after other games as well, potentially ones played by the one to go after LiL. It really isn't worth the collateral damage.

 

[vehemental]

You've got it reversed, it's Patreon that doesn't allow underage and/or loli or incest, that's one of the reasons SubscribeStar was formed. Also, it would not end with LiL, going after LiL in that way would be going after other games as well, potentially ones played by the one to go after LiL. It really isn't worth the collateral damage.

Goddamn, how many boxes does this game and the custom renders check?



Just a random custom render for no reason:

Spoiler: TW: "Animal cruelty or abuse"

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[Black Raven]

Good thing he didn't. Otherwise the people that were affected would have all the reason to go after discord/subscribestar and report him for breaking their ToS. Patreon may enforce these rules, but subscribestar doesn't allow underage characters or incest too. They may not enforce it for now, but it is in the rules.

The only thing i see in their ToS that could be an issue is the following :

Illegal Activities. This Service, as well as the company operating this Service, is governed by the laws of the United States of America. Anything that is considered “illegal” by the US law is illegal for use within our platform and will be removed/terminated.

Is loli illegal in the USA ?

Goddamn, how many boxes does this game and the custom renders check?

Obviously zero. It says "real people".

 

[worthlesspeon]

he does that anyway, if it isn't that, it will just be something else. I would normally say dont do it, Sel will probably pull his head out of his butt and apologize... but rather than taking the month to reflect it seems he doubles down again. which is probably why they removed his subscribstar info this month so he no longer gets the free advertisement here. That in itself I would say is indicative that mods are just done with him at this point and I wouldn't be surprised if some that don't play this game are already doing that and worse.

To be honest I'm far too lazy to actually try, but the thought of Sel having a meltdown does make it tempting.

You've got it reversed, it's Patreon that doesn't allow underage and/or loli or incest, that's one of the reasons SubscribeStar was formed. Also, it would not end with LiL, going after LiL in that way would be going after other games as well, potentially ones played by the one to go after LiL. It really isn't worth the collateral damage.

Their TOS does say they don't allow rape or incest. This game has statutory rape, probably will have "real" rape, and certainly features incest. As far as CP they do specifically say it's real images that's against their TOS, so this game is in the clear from that perspective if the terms don't change.

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Now they probably won't do anything any time soon because SS entire business model is basically taking on the people patreon banned. But things can change.

 

[worthlesspeon]

The only thing i see in their ToS that could be an issue is the following :



Is loli illegal in the USA ?

I think that's still an open question legally speaking, hasn't really been tested in courts.

Obviously zero. It says "real people".

Real people is with respect to the child pornography (and also subscribestar doesn't allow real porn at all to avoid the record keeping requirements). Points 1, 2, 3, and 6 in that image are all things this game or associated content contains. Arguably 5 as well.

 

[vehemental]

Obviously zero. It says "real people".

I wasn't talking about the CP part. The custom renders feature beastiality, animal cruelty, and rape, and the game features incest, self-harm, suicide, and a fuckton of "filthy or disgusting words or pictures."

All of which is against SS TOS.

 

[Black Raven]

I think that's still an open question legally speaking, hasn't really been tested in courts.

Unlikely that Lessons in Love would be the first then although that trial would be fun to watch.

Real people is with respect to the child pornography (and also subscribestar doesn't allow real porn at all to avoid the record keeping requirements). Points 1, 2, 3, and 6 in that image are all things this game or associated content contains. Arguably 5 as well.

I wasn't talking about the CP part. The custom renders feature beastiality, animal cruelty, and rape, and the game features incest, self-harm, suicide, and a fuckton of "filthy or disgusting words or pictures."

All of which is against SS TOS.

I don't think so, no. Just because they felt the need to be specific about CP doesn't imply that they're not only talking about real stuff elsewhere. By default "bestiality" (for example) means "bestiality", not "bestiality and also all fictional depictions of it on all supports".

It would just be plain absurd to ban fake bestiality/rape/incest but not fake CP.

For reference, here is the Patreon version :

we have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of creations.

Of course SS could still remove LiL at any point using the more ambiguous parts of their ToS like "Filthy, or disgusting words or pictures" or even "obscene or immoral purpose". But like Worthless Peon said, that would be a very dumb decision in terms of business as of right now.

 

[Bungleborf83]

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

 

[vehemental]

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

No one's going to report the game, lol. And even if they did, I'm sure SS would "lose it in the mail" given their content moderation department is probably one guy and a cockroach working from home in Belarus.

It is incredible how aggro he is when he only has one payment processor left. Annual passes are gone and the game got banned from receiving money through itch.io too.

 

[ocworld]

Annual passes are gone and the game got banned from receiving money through itch.io too.

what happened

 

[vehemental]

what happened

No idea. I think itch happened last year because of the content but I have no idea when or why the annual passes disappeared.

 

[ocworld]

No idea. I think itch happened last year because of the content but I have no idea when or why the annual passes disappeared.

I looked at itch.io game page and it's worse than half-dead Still worse than on f95
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