Well I think Nodoka knew that Futaba would be upset to some extent, after all we all want to believe that our friends really only care about us, and will be willing to stop things we think are stupid for us.
To help illustrate probably how Nodoka thinks about it, if your friend published a story about your life and insecurities, but no one could really trace it to you, why would you give a shit? Some people might feel mad like how it invaded their privacy or whatever, but if nothing will actually happen to you and it won't affect you in anyway, why are you even feeling mad? It's irrational. And people hate the idea that their feelings might be wrong.
So either Nodoka is confused why Futaba is upset to that extent, or shocked at how difficult it is to convince someone that their feelings might be irrational. Who knows.
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The game is updated on the first of every month, you can get it here when it's posted. It just won't show up on the "latest updates" tab or be promoted by the site.
Your quote implies that Nodoka risking her life on something she cares about is stupid. Who are you to make that judgement for her, to claim that what she cares about isn't work risking her life over? So is everyone who does anything risky that you don't think is worth it stupid? Just a really weird line of argument that borderlines on projection rather than an objective evaluation of the circumstances and internationalities behind the characters.
On the Yumi scene, it's not headcanon when Nodoka literally says:
Yumi: Why... Why that?
Nodoka: Because I think that would hurt you more.
Yumi: No! Why would that hurt me?
Yumi: Why would something like that hurt me!? Why do you think that!?
The point of the scene, other than revenge fetish porn material, is this confrontation with Yumi and her own feelings. Up until this point, she has convinced herself that she doesn't have any feelings towards Sensei, to the point where she genuinely believes it. Nodoka forces Yumi to make a choice - choose yourself, or Sensei. And it is incredible character development for Yumi to choose to hurt herself over watching Sensei be degraded when her key character trait is running away to not get hurt. There's no excuses here, and Yumi has to face the fact that she holds some sort of feelings towards Sensei. It's not about Sensei and Yumi getting closer, it's about the development of Yumi's character.
On Nodoka's writing, it's crazy how you downplay it's importance to Nodoka when it's literally her raison d'etre.
>I write because I have to do.
>Because I am gifted.
>It is not my fault others don't understand this gift.
>It just means I have to make them.
"She can just talk" and "It's just her job" lmfao. This character "Nodoka" you made up sounds nothing like the one in the game I just played.
The way you keep talking about the friends of people you dont even know to prove your point is quite irritating tbh. So you would really keep calling someone friend who does believe when you share something with them in confidence that it stops been a secret? Or is that just something you yourself think is okay, in that case i really feel bad for everyone who would trust you with anything. Because someone who would betray my trust in such a way, would have stopped been a friend. I mean alone that you even dare to say no one could really trace them has to be a joke. She did such a bad job of hidding who she is writting about that people were thinking sensei, rin and otaha were cosplaying. And only reason it hasnt come out is because the plot demands it.
And there is absolutely nothing irrational about been mad about it when someone does betray our trust. Because it doesnt matter if or if not that has any bad consequenses. The act of betrayal by itself alone is reason enough to be mad. And everyone who even tries to excuse such an act as okay, just completely lacks any empathy for other people.
Lacks any empathy just like nodoka.
Well, yes. The story is kinda shit in conveying it but we're working with the assumption that nothing will happen. Ultimately, I do think that it's a stronger argument that Futaba could have made but it's clear Sel in this argument between Futaba and Nodoka was more concerned with the concept of feelings and friendship rather than practical considerations, which is why I'm talking under the assumption that in the future no one is gonna like expose the girls or some shit.
So, working with that assumption, if no one could trace your "secrets" to you why would you even care. You're not affected in any way other than "feeling bad" and as Nodoka pointed out, you can just not read the book if it makes you feel bad. "Betraying your trust" is a formless emotion with no actual consequence, in which case we return to the original discussion on whether or not you should put the "feelings" of your friend above everything else, which I concluded no, that's unrealistic.
What Futaba is upset about is that Nodoka places her book above her feelings, and Futaba can't accept that Nodoka values her feelings less than her book. But people place their families, their selves, etc. above the feeling of friends all the time, and that's more acceptable? In the end, you either respect what your friends think are more important than you, or you break off the friendship because you can't create a compromise.
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Nodoka is a fucking sociopath. She's the one character in all of LiL that if she was written out of the story I wouldn't miss her at all.
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So I finished all games that LiL inspired with its writing style. Sensei Overnight and Dissonance(it looks like this one was inspired by SO in particular) being in the big league and games like Lost in You, Another World and some others showing good progress as well. I just finished Dissonance 4 hours ago, that game surpassed SO in many ways, but also lags behind it in some others. Getting up to this games last respective parts made me think this:
How many creators Sel will inspire by the end of his story? Will LiL become a new standart for writing VN, in the scenario that it becomes even more popular? Will the "all people here are 18+" kind of bullshit finally gave way to a new, truly creative writing not chained to censorship and social norms? I already expressed my hopes that LiL will become a phenomena, but a serious blunder or controversy coming from Sel may snatch defeat from the jaws of victory of a new writing style. Making this game an exception for writing VN, not a general rule as some(meaning me) would hope so. Some serious food for thought when it comes to the influence and impact LiL may have under right circumstances.
How many creators Sel will inspire by the end of his story? Will LiL become a new standart for writing VN, in the scenario that it becomes even more popular? Will the "all people here are 18+" kind of bullshit finally gave way to a new, truly creative writing not chained to censorship and social norms? I already expressed my hopes that LiL will become a phenomena, but a serious blunder or controversy coming from Sel may snatch defeat from the jaws of victory of a new writing style. Making this game an exception for writing VN, not a general rule as some(meaning me) would hope so. Some serious food for thought when it comes to the influence and impact LiL may have under right circumstances.
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over the past couple years Lil has inspired other clone/copycat titles but it is something different in the western vn space when the most ppl have generally played in this space is a few fap bait games with minimal plot. if ppl went and played more traditional vns they'd see Lil has little over them other than going against the societal norm with character ages. the only thing holding Lil back from garnering more widespread support is the age stuff and the puzzles that "check" to make sure the player is reading. when there's a couple million words and countless red herrings in terms of possible answers then the avg brainlet will just google answers anyway or open the console.
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Since the May break is coming up the characters that I'm pretty certain are getting events in the 0.41 update in July are Uta, Io, Futaba, Wakana, Imani and Yasu. We may get some main events and another character to fill out the update since Sel has been doing 7-8 characters per update for the start of chapter 4. But at that point everybody will have had at least one event and we should be going back to the updates with less characters and more events per character if my predictions are true.
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Once again you ignore the fail to blackmail part. Shocking.
At least you're admitting that revenge plays a part now, but you seem to completely ignore that Yumi just storms off if she hasn't already faced her feelings for him back in her 'Abyss' Chapter 2 Event:
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If anything, Nodoka changed Yumi's feelings for Sensei in a negative way. Sensei disappointed Yumi by just standing there and letting this happen to her. She makes it rather clear later:
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Nevertheless, if your point is simply that Nodoka changed Yumi, then yeah, I know. I said it in my first reply to you:
I'm starting to wonder if you've even played the same game, and of course you ignored the whole point again. Nodoka has been writing and publishing since she was around 10:
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Her gift and this world are two different things that she wants others to understand. You seem to be conflating the two because you want it to be the same thing. Or need it to be.
I get that your entire made up version of Nodoka can't survive if she's doing anything more than writing this story, but your version of Nodoka isn't how the game portrays her.
Nodoka writes all sorts of things in all sorts of genres:
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Not to mention, she's literally sidelined her writing profession at the moment to focus on other things.
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I played and still play quite a few not western vn's and unfortunately almost all of them are disappointing with rare exception, and biggest reason for that is simply that most vn's have terrible writing unlike Lil, Im at a point where I would be glad to read any vn western or not , but give me the good writing, recently I played fruit of grisaia and we get flashback of one of the girls backstory where she together with other people gets into accident and long story short people are forced to kill and canibalize each other, and man you read it and there's zero weight to the story , it reads more like comedy even thou it tries to be serious, the writing is just pathetically bad.
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Does f95 signature with Otoha (and by extension Nodoka, Yasu, Touka) exist? Can't see them in the linked post (https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-38-0-selebus.48158/page-52#post-3956847)
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Give her a few more batch of events and she'll likely turn into a good character.
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Not contesting the first point, but the second I can't agree with. The story is 100% better with her in it:
1. She gives Yumi a reason to trust Sensei after the unfortunate bridge incident
2. She's even more of a catalyst to Rin's not-so-homie-like attraction to Sensei
3. She's an excellent source of external conflict directed at other girls, so it's not Sensei always filling that role.
If she was a one-dimensional D&D villain whose sociopathy always manifested slasher-film style, I'd agree. But she's a deep and complex character, so brilliant she has little in common with the peers she cannot empathize with. She reminds me a lot of Mia from Californication, only less self-centered. Nodoka is ruled by her desire to experience everything, to better be able to write about it. She may be a sociopath, but without the borderline or disassociative disorders to really turn her into a monster. Instead, she's this giant gray area of amorality that makes her interesting as fuck, if you can get past the way her manic episodes are written.
Edit: Not to mention, Hot/Crazy axis in effect.
Is there any way to increase tsukasa_love to 1?
Because as a aftereffect of the last punishment, my tsukasa love point is now 0.
Because as a aftereffect of the last punishment, my tsukasa love point is now 0.
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So where the hell does Nao-chan fit into this story? Should I be concerned for Kaori's safety?