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Espacially with the:
Nodoka "What if someone has been somewhere else but everyone thinks they’re crazy and no one believes them because the idea of another world layered on top of this one is absurd? It’s insane. It’s impossible."
I thought she might be referring to the event where she and Akira went outside the wall with that line, with the implication being that outside the wall is another world (which seems painfully obvious at this point)
 
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DeSkel15

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oh while looking through nodoka events...
I've seen some interesting 'buried beneath your feet' things
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and one is buried beneath Christs feet
a crucifix is a common burial marker as well
ami's parents dont seem to have one though...thought it was just a giant stone with engraving

when selebus wants to spell things with images he puts a crucifix in for a t everytime he does his flashing images thing

either way i think what ever it is, might be buried under a crucifix
have we seen one in game at any point... disregarding the telephone poles. is there one in the church?
There's some crosses in Yasu's church:
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but the crosses that tend to stick out are those that show up in Happy Events:
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A picture of Jesus crucified also shows up in a few Happy Events if I recall. Can't recall an actual Crucifix showing up unless you consider "The letter T" happy event as showing one. Replacing Jesus with Maya.
 
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I really thought that Sekai was wearing a cross at least somewhere, specifically in the Kindergarden event or the hallway.
But i looked through what i think were all of her images, and nothing.

So if anyone knows a scene where she does wear one, please let me know.

Besides that at least she is talking a couple of times about god and religion, so there is some connection.
 

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It's Japan dude, different planet, swords are sacred there.


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So sick if wanting to know what's in that fucking box, i've heard every theory, i want to KNOW.
Realistic guess: Some memories or shit from other resets about Sensei or her old life

More exiting but less posible: A lot of porn with weird fetishes or old porn footages with sensei

Also I WANT TO KNOW TOO
 

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There's some crosses in Yasu's church:
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but the crosses that tend to stick out are those that show up in Happy Events:
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A picture of Jesus crucified also shows up in a few Happy Events if I recall. Can't recall an actual Crucifix showing up unless you consider "The letter T" happy event as showing one. Replacing Jesus with Maya.
Oh wow... that looks like a jackpot
The two crosses in the happy event seem to be the same ones in the church.
nice find
it at least solidly connects the happy event to the church

as for most of the other crosses in the happy events, those are the pictures that generally selly uses to spell things rather than in game landmarks
I'm not ever sure if the real life photos are even interactable with akira, I took them as symbolism
the clock based reliquary in front of the alter thing is also perfectly positioned to block the view of anything hanging from the ceiling... interesting

wait
is yasu's church in the old district
must of forgot that.
neat
 
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Oh wow... that looks like a jackpot
The two crosses in the happy event seem to be the same ones in the church.
nice find
it at least solidly connects the happy event to the church

as for most of the other crosses in the happy events, those are the pictures that generally selly uses to spell things rather than in game landmarks
I'm not ever sure if the real life photos are even interactable with akira, I took them as symbolism
the clock based reliquary in front of the alter thing is also perfectly positioned to block the view of anything hanging from the ceiling... interesting

wait
is yasu's church in the old district
must of forgot that.
neat
Actually, in Yasu's "Transference", Yasu's church seems to be in the "Urban District":
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Just a "weird, slummy part" of it.

I do wonder if Yasu reading The Library and mentioning what Sensei was thinking earlier (Fly Eggs) might mean there's some connection to Nao and the Wishing Well, which is also called the Library, in "Mother's Milk" though. Could be nothing.
 

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I do wonder if Yasu reading The Library and mentioning what Sensei was thinking earlier (Fly Eggs) might mean there's some connection to Nao and the Wishing Well, which is also called the Library, in "Mother's Milk" though. Could be nothing.
That's a point! I was convinced that Yasu only serves calous god, but now it looks more like collective god, like in christianity. Need to think about it.
 
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Hi, long time lurker here. I've been enjoying your arguments and theories for a while holding back my urge to join in until now. Basically, because I'm certainly not good at crafting theories, more of an observer, constantly raising questions. It doesn´t help either that english is not my native language so I have to put double the effort in expressing my thoughts. So the time I'll spend here will be mostly sitting on the Dunce Table rather than the Plant Council.

But I said "fuck it" and share some thoughts (embrace yourselves because it's going to be long). We've had two big theories in here recently on why some girls are able to go through resets (pregnancy and being killed by amy), and when I first read about the pregnancy one I feel exactly the same like when I discovered the R+L=J in Game of Thrones, like "yeah! there's no way that's not it". The Ami one is cool, the kind of theory you just want to be truth.

And I feel they are not totally debunked if you combine them: Maya seems to think you gotta be pregnant in every reset to make it to the roof (which doesn't explain her situation, since she is allegedly not carrying a baby or related to Akira), but how about if they need to be pregnant just the first time and then a second condition is met: this being, getting killed by Ami. But since they are pregnant, the child is the sacrifice that allowed them to survive next resets. There have been some talks about sacrifices in the game. Also, Himawari is a external agent and one of the things she might be doing is precisely helping Ayane during the resets.

Now, I always wondered why aren't more girls getting pregnant, Akira is not shy in filling their wombs regularly. So here comes a crazy thought with 0.0001% of holding truth: there are specific resets in which specific girls are "ovulating" and ready to get pregnant. And how do you recognize them? Well, when they find glitches in the matrix... which means now Makoto is ready to be impregnated, something that's being heavily implied that will happen this update. It's a shame my fav girl Yumi missed her chance.

And that's a big reason of why I think Makoto will actually be the first Ami's victim (on screen). There are many other reasons tough:
- Ami always felt threatened by Makoto for some reason, she is identified as her enemy N°1 from the start.
- Makoto tried to kill herself multiple times unsuccesfully. Now, she's trying a different approach, being more relaxed and happy... yeah, that's not how things works in Kumon mi, you are asking for trouble.
- Makoto will be the one acting more suspiciously out of character this loop.
- She is doing tehrapy with Ami and even tough she's not stupid to outing herself, Ami will have many opportunities of reading her for the slightest slip of the tongue.
- She will spend a lot of time with the "traitors" Maya and Ayane. Ami will feel particularly aggravated by this betrayal since she is the one that helped her through the bad times.
- The girl killed must be "in the know", what's the point of killing an unsuspecting girl like Chika? I think Ami will try to erase someone that is actively trying to break the cycle.
- And well, if it does happen, would be the perfect oportunity to test all of our theories.
 

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Hi, long time lurker here. I've been enjoying your arguments and theories for a while holding back my urge to join in until now. Basically, because I'm certainly not good at crafting theories, more of an observer, constantly raising questions. It doesn´t help either that english is not my native language so I have to put double the effort in expressing my thoughts. So the time I'll spend here will be mostly sitting on the Dunce Table rather than the Plant Council.

But I said "fuck it" and share some thoughts (embrace yourselves because it's going to be long). We've had two big theories in here recently on why some girls are able to go through resets (pregnancy and being killed by amy), and when I first read about the pregnancy one I feel exactly the same like when I discovered the R+L=J in Game of Thrones, like "yeah! there's no way that's not it". The Ami one is cool, the kind of theory you just want to be truth.

And I feel they are not totally debunked if you combine them: Maya seems to think you gotta be pregnant in every reset to make it to the roof (which doesn't explain her situation, since she is allegedly not carrying a baby or related to Akira), but how about if they need to be pregnant just the first time and then a second condition is met: this being, getting killed by Ami. But since they are pregnant, the child is the sacrifice that allowed them to survive next resets. There have been some talks about sacrifices in the game. Also, Himawari is a external agent and one of the things she might be doing is precisely helping Ayane during the resets.

Now, I always wondered why aren't more girls getting pregnant, Akira is not shy in filling their wombs regularly. So here comes a crazy thought with 0.0001% of holding truth: there are specific resets in which specific girls are "ovulating" and ready to get pregnant. And how do you recognize them? Well, when they find glitches in the matrix... which means now Makoto is ready to be impregnated, something that's being heavily implied that will happen this update. It's a shame my fav girl Yumi missed her chance.

And that's a big reason of why I think Makoto will actually be the first Ami's victim (on screen). There are many other reasons tough:
- Ami always felt threatened by Makoto for some reason, she is identified as her enemy N°1 from the start.
- Makoto tried to kill herself multiple times unsuccesfully. Now, she's trying a different approach, being more relaxed and happy... yeah, that's not how things works in Kumon mi, you are asking for trouble.
- Makoto will be the one acting more suspiciously out of character this loop.
- She is doing tehrapy with Ami and even tough she's not stupid to outing herself, Ami will have many opportunities of reading her for the slightest slip of the tongue.
- She will spend a lot of time with the "traitors" Maya and Ayane. Ami will feel particularly aggravated by this betrayal since she is the one that helped her through the bad times.
- The girl killed must be "in the know", what's the point of killing an unsuspecting girl like Chika? I think Ami will try to erase someone that is actively trying to break the cycle.
- And well, if it does happen, would be the perfect oportunity to test all of our theories.
Not sure if you belong at my table bro, i mean, you're 100% welcome here but i think you'd fit in more with the plants... that's some big think right there and you've earned about 5 :unsure:'s from me with it.
 

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Well, since I finally started posting I should put all of my thoughts out there. I mean, this was a fucking huge update. So... about Nao-chan, she is definitely an enigma, but here is what we know. Chinami and Tsukasa are 9-10 years old right? and we are specifically told that Nao looks a just a little younger... let's say 8 years old. That's exactly the years since the accident and it's been speculated in here that Sekai was pregnant at the time. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the very early game there's an event where Akira recalls going to a forest to have sex with Sekai against a tree. I think that is the same forest he went with Kaori in this update and the place that this unborn child was conceived, hence why Nao was found in there. Why does she look like an amalgalm of Sekai/Ami, Maya, Yumi, Tsuneyo? No idea, be my guest. Just a thought.

And there's other thing I found baffling: Maya told us that Sensei never made it past more than 3 resets I think. That is a very short time, yet enough for psycho Ami to being unleashed multiple times. Wich begs the question: What happened? What is Sensei doing so "well" this time around to avoid Ami going nuts during so many resets. He's not being subtle in his escapades fucking around and sleeping outside his apartment many nights.... I'm only left to believe that previous iterations of Akira was a total idiot, like going to the classroom and literally flapping his dick around and asking "Hey girls, which one of you want to make peepeee feeels gooood?" (to bring in another great theory in here) obviosuly triggering Ami. I mean what the fuck.

Anyway, shit is about to hit the fan for real this timem there are many threats hanging over their cute little necks. Sensei being given an ultimatum, Amy about to go on a killing spree and of course the biggest threat of them all: there's not much time left before Cockzilla start rampaging the city. You gotta give it to him though, he has the most solid plan so far, just eat his way out of Kumon mi bubble and break the barrier.
 

DeSkel15

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Hi, long time lurker here. I've been enjoying your arguments and theories for a while holding back my urge to join in until now. Basically, because I'm certainly not good at crafting theories, more of an observer, constantly raising questions. It doesn´t help either that english is not my native language so I have to put double the effort in expressing my thoughts. So the time I'll spend here will be mostly sitting on the Dunce Table rather than the Plant Council.

But I said "fuck it" and share some thoughts (embrace yourselves because it's going to be long). We've had two big theories in here recently on why some girls are able to go through resets (pregnancy and being killed by amy), and when I first read about the pregnancy one I feel exactly the same like when I discovered the R+L=J in Game of Thrones, like "yeah! there's no way that's not it". The Ami one is cool, the kind of theory you just want to be truth.

And I feel they are not totally debunked if you combine them: Maya seems to think you gotta be pregnant in every reset to make it to the roof (which doesn't explain her situation, since she is allegedly not carrying a baby or related to Akira), but how about if they need to be pregnant just the first time and then a second condition is met: this being, getting killed by Ami. But since they are pregnant, the child is the sacrifice that allowed them to survive next resets. There have been some talks about sacrifices in the game. Also, Himawari is a external agent and one of the things she might be doing is precisely helping Ayane during the resets.

Now, I always wondered why aren't more girls getting pregnant, Akira is not shy in filling their wombs regularly. So here comes a crazy thought with 0.0001% of holding truth: there are specific resets in which specific girls are "ovulating" and ready to get pregnant. And how do you recognize them? Well, when they find glitches in the matrix... which means now Makoto is ready to be impregnated, something that's being heavily implied that will happen this update. It's a shame my fav girl Yumi missed her chance.

And that's a big reason of why I think Makoto will actually be the first Ami's victim (on screen). There are many other reasons tough:
- Ami always felt threatened by Makoto for some reason, she is identified as her enemy N°1 from the start.
- Makoto tried to kill herself multiple times unsuccesfully. Now, she's trying a different approach, being more relaxed and happy... yeah, that's not how things works in Kumon mi, you are asking for trouble.
- Makoto will be the one acting more suspiciously out of character this loop.
- She is doing tehrapy with Ami and even tough she's not stupid to outing herself, Ami will have many opportunities of reading her for the slightest slip of the tongue.
- She will spend a lot of time with the "traitors" Maya and Ayane. Ami will feel particularly aggravated by this betrayal since she is the one that helped her through the bad times.
- The girl killed must be "in the know", what's the point of killing an unsuspecting girl like Chika? I think Ami will try to erase someone that is actively trying to break the cycle.
- And well, if it does happen, would be the perfect oportunity to test all of our theories.
I do think it's a possibility, but there is one flaw: Ami hasn't become Psycho Ami until now, in this timeline, yet Ayane has made it to the roof twice already since she was pregnant.

Unless Ami somehow went Psycho in the background without anyone noticing just to kill Ayane after her pregnancy, it doesn't really hold up that she could have killed her to send her to the roof.

Not to mention sending someone to the roof is likely the opposite of what Psycho Ami would like. It breaks the illusion by default. If anything, Ami being involved at all in sending someone to the roof would be ironic.

Now, if The Shapeshifter/Himawari is involved in how Ayane made it to the roof, that would be interesting. Might need to pay more attention to her. I wish I knew what her "rules" actually are.

I do think Makoto has a high chance of getting Psycho Ami'd though. Logically she's the only one that Psycho Ami knows for sure, knows, about the resets, since Makoto told her and started this apparently.

Well, since I finally started posting I should put all of my thoughts out there. I mean, this was a fucking huge update. So... about Nao-chan, she is definitely an enigma, but here is what we know. Chinami and Tsukasa are 9-10 years old right? and we are specifically told that Nao looks a just a little younger... let's say 8 years old. That's exactly the years since the accident and it's been speculated in here that Sekai was pregnant at the time. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the very early game there's an event where Akira recalls going to a forest to have sex with Sekai against a tree. I think that is the same forest he went with Kaori in this update and the place that this unborn child was conceived, hence why Nao was found in there. Why does she look like an amalgalm of Sekai/Ami, Maya, Yumi, Tsuneyo? No idea, be my guest. Just a thought.

And there's other thing I found baffling: Maya told us that Sensei never made it past more than 3 resets I think. That is a very short time, yet enough for psycho Ami to being unleashed multiple times. Wich begs the question: What happened? What is Sensei doing so "well" this time around to avoid Ami going nuts during so many resets. He's not being subtle in his escapades fucking around and sleeping outside his apartment many nights.... I'm only left to believe that previous iterations of Akira was a total idiot, like going to the classroom and literally flapping his dick around and asking "Hey girls, which one of you want to make peepeee feeels gooood?" (to bring in another great theory in here) obviosuly triggering Ami. I mean what the fuck.

Anyway, shit is about to hit the fan for real this timem there are many threats hanging over their cute little necks. Sensei being given an ultimatum, Amy about to go on a killing spree and of course the biggest threat of them all: there's not much time left before Cockzilla start rampaging the city. You gotta give it to him though, he has the most solid plan so far, just eat his way out of Kumon mi bubble and break the barrier.
I do think Nao-Chan could be the "Dream Baby" that's been mentioned a few times. For all we know, Sekai was pregnant with Sensei's kid when the accident occured, meaning he not only lost his first love, but his first child. Something or perhaps Spirit Sekai could have created Nao-Chan, as some sort of replacement for the child she lost. Then again it's likely too early to tell how Nao-chan will come into play.

Also, Maya notes that Psycho Ami only came about due to things she's done wrong:
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I think this implies she tried to tell Ami about the resets more than once in the past, which led to her going Psycho in those timelines, and only after a few resets did she realize telling her is what caused the transformation.
 

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And there's other thing I found baffling: Maya told us that Sensei never made it past more than 3 resets I think. That is a very short time, yet enough for psycho Ami to being unleashed multiple times. Wich begs the question: What happened? What is Sensei doing so "well" this time around to avoid Ami going nuts during so many resets. He's not being subtle in his escapades fucking around and sleeping outside his apartment many nights.... I'm only left to believe that previous iterations of Akira was a total idiot, like going to the classroom and literally flapping his dick around and asking "Hey girls, which one of you want to make peepeee feeels gooood?" (to bring in another great theory in here) obviosuly triggering Ami. I mean what the fuck.
As Maya's opened up, we're learning that a lot of the aborted attempts are her own fault. Some Akiras broke because she got too horny with him too soon, some ended in Psycho Ami because Maya tried telling her about the resets. It's not that Akira's finally doing things right, it's that Maya's figured out which mistakes to not make.
 

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Well, since I finally started posting I should put all of my thoughts out there. I mean, this was a fucking huge update. So... about Nao-chan, she is definitely an enigma, but here is what we know. Chinami and Tsukasa are 9-10 years old right? and we are specifically told that Nao looks a just a little younger... let's say 8 years old. That's exactly the years since the accident and it's been speculated in here that Sekai was pregnant at the time. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the very early game there's an event where Akira recalls going to a forest to have sex with Sekai against a tree. I think that is the same forest he went with Kaori in this update and the place that this unborn child was conceived, hence why Nao was found in there. Why does she look like an amalgalm of Sekai/Ami, Maya, Yumi, Tsuneyo? No idea, be my guest. Just a thought.

And there's other thing I found baffling: Maya told us that Sensei never made it past more than 3 resets I think. That is a very short time, yet enough for psycho Ami to being unleashed multiple times. Wich begs the question: What happened? What is Sensei doing so "well" this time around to avoid Ami going nuts during so many resets. He's not being subtle in his escapades fucking around and sleeping outside his apartment many nights.... I'm only left to believe that previous iterations of Akira was a total idiot, like going to the classroom and literally flapping his dick around and asking "Hey girls, which one of you want to make peepeee feeels gooood?" (to bring in another great theory in here) obviosuly triggering Ami. I mean what the fuck.

Anyway, shit is about to hit the fan for real this timem there are many threats hanging over their cute little necks. Sensei being given an ultimatum, Amy about to go on a killing spree and of course the biggest threat of them all: there's not much time left before Cockzilla start rampaging the city. You gotta give it to him though, he has the most solid plan so far, just eat his way out of Kumon mi bubble and break the barrier.
sadly i now lean towards the 'love gets you there' theory
I dont think the ami kills you theory is fully discredited but needs to be put up on a shelf till what maya said can be fully dissected by more events since she never used the word 'kill' directly
pregnancy theory i didnt think held any water when it even first came out. felt like gaslighting attempts to me
love hearing your thoughts though

'love' gets you there theory
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The other theory I had besides ami killing people to get there... was that emotion love was involved. Not crushing or admiration or infatuation or lust. But when a girl fully falls in love with him, all of him, even the bad shit. The kind of love that's often really beautiful but also really toxic. But I hated this theory cause it was too mushy and didn't have enough girls getting stabbed by yandere nieces
notice them?
i meant survive them, to get to the roof itself and not vanish
just noticing the reset could be a lot of things, they are just aware, they moved a little bit closer to loving him but not actually loving him yet, learning to accept a dark awful part of sensei and choosing to keep interacting with him and not hating him for it. (which both yumi and tsuneyo did and what makoto is currently doing) all of these are steps to this form of 'love' in all its toxicity and beauty
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i still dont like this one... not enough stabbing damn it, will admit my problem with it is more a personal issue than a flaw in it
and the horrible twisted reason why sensei isn't reset and makes it to the roof is .... he fully accepted and loves the worst parts of himself and when that level of narcissistic love gets shattered, he resets, he is regularly called a narcissist too and this explains why some sensei's made it through a few resets according to maya
considering the name of the game too :whistle:
it fits disturbingly well...
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added a bit to this and cleaned it up some
its when his narcissistic self love gets shattered by the memories of the shit he did and there consequences he gets reset is my guess.
 

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With you guys regularly posting new screenshots i think it's pretty safe for me to expect camaraderie in getting sick of just how fucking long the game takes to load these days, i timed it once, 37 seconds on my computer. I wouldn't trust Selly's coding skills to break the game up into 2+ parts but man, it's only going to get worse and worse over time.
 
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