Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[GSwole]

I am probably very late to the party, but as i just discovered this game i was curious, what are the care packages all about? Are they worth downloading, i'm about to play the game for the first time and i'm not sure if i'll be missing out, any help is appreciated

they have no relevance to the main game unless you get super into the plot

 

[Vizer007]

I am probably very late to the party, but as i just discovered this game i was curious, what are the care packages all about? Are they worth downloading, i'm about to play the game for the first time and i'm not sure if i'll be missing out, any help is appreciated

Not worth it. If you download them anyway - DO NOT INSTALL THEM IN GAME, more hassle than it's worth, with all the savefile deletion and whatnot. You can open them outside of the game just fine.
Inside you will see explanation about some of the earlier events, some tidbits about some of the characters and a bit of wizard content.

 

[Yarazin]

Replayed .35 tonight just to refresh before Monday, not sure it was a great idea since I am now depressed again...

It did remind me though how much I love Maya and Niki. Might as well list others I love that were in .35 so... Ayane, Rin, Molly, Touka, Tsunecchi, Kaori, Chika, Yumi, Makoto, Karin, Uta, and sometimes Kirin.

It also had me remembering that I may have never really liked Ami much. I don't greatly dislike her as I do Otoha and Nododa, but damn she is a real bitch to Maya and others. I know she has reasons but still.

 

[Ern The Skáld]

So, eh, doing very slow replay of translated LiL with me wife, I once again notice some things that I overlooked during my initial playthrough.

Spoiler: Three girls in a line on the beach

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I wonder if there's a relevance to these three character specifically. Yumi - we know she kinda made it in Reset 5, but I wouldn't associate her with HOPE. So is there some significance, or is it just outlining similarities in their demeanor to the Trio?

 

[GSwole]

Not worth it. If you download them anyway - DO NOT INSTALL THEM IN GAME, more hassle than it's worth, with all the savefile deletion and whatnot. You can open them outside of the game just fine.
Inside you will see explanation about some of the earlier events, some tidbits about some of the characters and a bit of wizard content.

imo its more hassle to copy and backup saves and look at the care package content outside of the game than it is spending $2 to not worry about them deleting

 

[barglenarglezous]

One thing I never understood about the lore of this game is why would someone send their elementary or middle school kid to being tutored. Is it a normal thing in Japan? I understand doing it in high school because you want good marks for university, but before that it just seems weird to me

It's a by-product of how competitive the Japanese school system is.

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Note the name of the tutoring style, btw. It's in the second paragraph.

 

[barglenarglezous]

imo its more hassle to copy and backup saves and look at the care package content outside of the game than it is spending $2 to not worry about them deleting

Except at least one person who WAS paying got deleted anyway, so...

 

[DeSkel15]

So, eh, doing very slow replay of translated LiL with me wife, I once again notice some things that I overlooked during my initial playthrough.

Spoiler: Three girls in a line on the beach

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I wonder if there's a relevance to these three character specifically. Yumi - we know she kinda made it in Reset 5, but I wouldn't associate her with HOPE. So is there some significance, or is it just outlining similarities in their demeanor to the Trio?

It could just be the Narrator merely pointing out how Rin sometimes feels nothing and is Calm, Yumi goes out of her way to hurt others and is Callous, while Futaba tends to worry about things and is Concerned.

Although, taking into account the gods apparently want sacrifices, Sensei raping the girls was possibly common place, and Sensei forced himself onto Yumi during Chapter 1, in Summer, which is implied to be HOPE's season: It's possible that Rin is usually the Calm's sacrifice, Yumi the Callous', and Futaba the Concerned's in previous timelines.

Random Theory:

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[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

Oh, wow, I've collected a whole 1gb of saves in this vn.

 

[DeSkel15]

The propblem is that rules of Kumon-mi do not prohibit things like "we saw Ami killed, but from Ami perspective she never was killed". Well, tehchnically you can state something like "things on-screen are real and characters' attempts to understand it are reset-induced dellusions / magic", but it would be just one definition of reality (pretty useful, though)

Actualy, there is a better question: is cute girl magic real?

My bad, must have missed this.

Anyway, keep in mind that seeing or thinking something doesn't actually make something "real". Even in real life. It's only thought to be "real". People can fake their deaths, and others can think they are dead, but the reality is, that they faked their deaths. In this scenario, it's "real" that we saw Ami dead. Whether Ami was actually dead, is unknown. Ami's or our own perspective doesn't change "reality". If she was alive, she was alive. If she was dead, she was dead. Whether Ami knows what happened doesn't actually matter.

Although, Makoto seems to remember her deaths, so It doesn't seem like it's actually removed from their memory when characters die. They seem to just try to ignore and forget things they don't understand or don't want to remember.

Also, Ami might have some actual "Cute Girl Magic", but I don't think Ayane and Maya actually do. Ayane is rich and smart, so she can just buy things to show off later. Maya likes food and isn't exactly afraid of getting fat, since she probably can't.

Ami on the other hand is either an expert at Hypnotism or has some kind of magic, in this world:

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At least, if you're not fucking her in the 'Robin Hood' Main Event.

To be fair though, Ami did seem to possibly do something to Io and Uta prior to apparently manipulating their minds on cue.

During the 'Midnight Mom Mosh' Main Event, Sensei made it blatantly clear that he had a secret relationship with Uta and Io right in front of Ami. Ami then made it clear she was going to "have a few words" with them:

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So, it's possibly more like a cheat code, hack, or failsafe, depending on what abilities Ami actually possesses in this world. What may seem magical or supernatural could be, well, not, by this world's standards.

It still isn't clear exactly how this world works.

 

[JelF547]

Anyway, keep in mind that seeing or thinking something doesn't actually make something "real". Even in real life. It's only thought to be "real". People can fake their deaths, and others can think they are dead, but the reality is, that they faked their deaths.

Sure and I have never wrote so. The problem that distinguisher we use in real live would not work in Kumon-mi. There is no problem with artificial fakes (like direct lie) - they are obviously not real.

In this scenario, it's "real" that we saw Ami dead. Whether Ami was actually dead, is unknown. Ami's or our own perspective doesn't change "reality". If she was alive, she was alive. If she was dead, she was dead. Whether Ami knows what happened doesn't actually matter.

So the truth here is that nobody can answer did Ami realy died, isn't it?

Although, Makoto seems to remember her deaths, so It doesn't seem like it's actually removed from their memory when characters die. They seem to just try to ignore and forget things they don't understand or don't want to remember.

Just reminder: Makoto haven't died in bluejay (at least it wasn't shown), her fall from the roof was interupted by some kind of divine intervention.

Also, Ami might have some actual "Cute Girl Magic", but I don't think Ayane and Maya actually do. Ayane is rich and smart, so she can just buy things to show off later. Maya likes food and isn't exactly afraid of getting fat, since she probably can't.

You are missing the point. The question is not "can cute girl magic be explained", it is "is cute girl magic real". I can rephrase it like "would it be real if it could not be explained otherwise than magic". Also, do you realy think Ayane can hide giant banana during

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?

Once again, how do you define "real" regarding Kumon-mi?

 

[Bingoogus]

This discussion feels like it's gone waaaay off the rails into the severely abstract and esoteric, which isn't surprising since it's a question of fundamental philosophy, but i feel like everyone's taking it too far and getting frustrated, the new update is like less than two days away, let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

This discussion feels like it's gone waaaay off the rails into the severely abstract and esoteric, which isn't surprising since it's a question of fundamental philosophy, but i feel like everyone's taking it too far and getting frustrated, the new update is like less than two days away, let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already.

That’s right! Let us exclusively talk about penis lore for two days straight instead!

To the janitor’s closet!

 

[DeSkel15]

Sure and I have never wrote so. The problem that distinguisher we use in real live would not work in Kumon-mi. There is no problem with artificial fakes (like direct lie) - they are obviously not real.

So the truth here is that nobody can answer did Ami realy died, isn't it?

Why wouldn't it? What actually happens/exists is "reality". Simple as that. Anything else is merely theory or delusion.

Sel could answer it, technically. At this point, though, we don't even know what/who lured Ami into the hallway. Perhaps in the next update, it'll explain some things.

Just reminder: Makoto haven't died in bluejay (at least it wasn't shown), her fall from the roof was interupted by some kind of divine intervention.

That's just a theory. We see her disappear off the image, a little bit later, there's a reset, then she reappears, a little before she prepared to jump:

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Simply because we don't see her splatted, doesn't mean she wasn't. In fact, everytime things reset, it's resetting after the damage is done, not before.

For example, when Sensei suddenly went off on an anecdote that ended with him talking about having sex with Kaori and Sana in Sana's 'Black Sandy Beaches' Event, it only resetted after Sensei was done talking and reset to before he started:

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Makoto has likely died a few times. Just she can't remember being dead (for obvious reasons), and gets reset back to before she tried to kill herself.

You are missing the point. The question is not "can cute girl magic be explained", it is "is cute girl magic real". I can rephrase it like "would it be real if it could not be explained otherwise than magic". Also, do you realy think Ayane can hide giant banana during

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Once again, how do you define "real" regarding Kumon-mi?

"Real" by definition means what actually exists... what actually happens in Kumon-mi/this game, is what actually happens within this game.

It's really just that simple. What we think is "real" is another story, and that should be based off the decipherable in universe logic, and Sel's presumed intentions with that logic.

Also, I don't see why Ayane would need to hide the Banana. Just because we didn't see it beforehand, doesn't mean it wasn't there. We also know she dragged it outside:

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So, chances are, it was "real".

Maya also does eat a lot and quickly, so yes, as far as we can tell "Cute Girl Magic" is "Real". It being magic, though, is just what Ami called it. Ayane and Maya actually being magical, is probably not "real". Then again, there are Wizards in this game... so..

Honestly, I think you're focusing too much on seeing things, when even seeing something doesn't make it "Real" in the first place.

 

[DeSkel15]

That reminds me, Ayane's giant banana apparently screwed up the table she slammed it on:

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Darn 'Produce Delivery Administration' and their giant fruits.

 

[Bingoogus]

That’s right! Let us exclusively talk about penis lore for two days straight instead!

It's such a big penis, so big, so very very penis.

 

[JelF547]

Why wouldn't it? What actually happens/exists is "reality". Simple as that. Anything else is merely theory or delusion.

Because it is all the same question. How do you define actualy happens/exists?

"Real" by definition means what actually exists... what actually happens in Kumon-mi/this game, is what actually happens within this game.

So you mean that everything actualy happend in the game is "real"? Isn't it same as "what you see on-screen is real"? I told you, it is a useful one.

It's really just that simple.

It is not simple. Actualy, you haven't constructed a definition which would say that Sensei actualy exists yet.

Also, definitions of reality IRL are complex AF and require lots of ad-hoc axioms to the point when question "is something real" looses both its meaning and possibility of answer, so it would be strange if it would became simple when applied to denpa fiction.

The realy simple way is to use stupid definition and correct it from time to time

Honestly, I think you're focusing too much on seeing things, when even seeing something doesn't make it "Real" in the first place.

I am not focusing. I am suggesting the only thing I find reasonable.

You know, there is no reason to discuss reality of something at all. Theory might be true despite it's hypotesis might be not real and vice versa, because theory is true when it predicts the future (i.e. what we would see), but not when it says what is real and what is not.

But if you are going to discuss reality, you should be able to explain what do you mean by "real", because otherwise the simple answer is "nope, this is fuction, it is obviously not real". You can mean by "real" litterally everything, from "It is real if it could be IRL" to "It is real because it was said by narrator" and I can mean by "real" exact opposite thing so there is basicaly notthing to discuss unless you state what did you actualy mean by "real"

let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already

Last part is always the worst Good news no discussion would survive 0.36

It's such a big penis, so big, so very very penis.

Is that penis realy big or it is just Sensei's dellusion?

 

[Bingoogus]

Is that penis realy big or it is just Sensei's dellusion?

I cannot handle the existential blackhole of the 'what is true?' dimension, so in order to maintain my sanity, it must be a big penis. It must be big, it must be penis!

 

[JelF547]

I cannot handle the existential blackhole of the 'what is true?' dimension, so in order to maintain my sanity, it must be a big penis. It must be big, it must be penis!

Penis who?

 

[Bingoogus]

Great, now that it's only a day and a bit away, suddenly i have a glut of releases:

Where were all these 3 days ago huh? Don't these devs know how important i am and how it is their duty to provide me free entertainment at all times!? God...