JelF547

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I just want to point out that this is Early Sel, who was still doing more of an H-game than not at that point. As much as I hope he'll stick to his word, there's a strong possibility of him having changed his mind on this... Or if they do happen, I'm thinking it's going to be more possession like Makoto+Futaba, or forcing himself on Molly/Karin than anything consensual
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I hope this game is still about moral degradation and Sel would show us how much Sara loves her daughter
 

R3burn

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I am wondering that how to add own content to the carepackage path in the game in order to be able to play it right in the game... I'm trying to make a original event
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I think it would be cool to have it built into the game!

and some of my lil fan art like EXMPLE are post in the lil fan art thread ,If anyone happens to like one or two of them that would be great.
 

barglenarglezous

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I just want to point out that this is Early Sel, who was still doing more of an H-game than not at that point. As much as I hope he'll stick to his word, there's a strong possibility of him having changed his mind on this... Or if they do happen, I'm thinking it's going to be more possession like Makoto+Futaba, or forcing himself on Molly/Karin than anything consensual
I imagine most of the unlikely scenes are going to be angel-posession threesomes like Toys.

Imagine Makoto finding out Sensei's also fucking her mom because she comes to while her mom is sitting on her face.
 

JelF547

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I am wondering that how to add own content to the carepackage path in the game in order to be able to play it right in the game... I'm trying to make a original event
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I think it would be cool to have it built into the game!

and some of my lil fan art like EXMPLE are post in the lil fan art thread ,If anyone happens to like one or two of them that would be great.
You should see care packages code, it is easy.

Python:
init 100 python:
    installed_care_packages.append(CarePackage(name="Your package name", label="your_label"))
   
menu your_label:
    "blah blah blah":
        jump somewhere
    "Go back":
        return
However, this is a bad idea because it would invoke Sel's DRM system and fuck somebody saves

Imagine Makoto finding out Sensei's also fucking her mom because she comes to while her mom is sitting on her face.
Makoto would probably sit on Maki's face instead
 
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barglenarglezous

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I feel like if she'd actually willinging do sexy things with her mom she'd be a bit, erm, mean about it? Like she'd tell her to lick her ass cause she's a shitty mom and that's all she deserves... "yeah, get that tongue deeeeep in there you nasty bitch."
Yeah, this game needs more intergenerational hate-fucking.
 

JelF547

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I feel like if she'd actually willinging do sexy things with her mom she'd be a bit, erm, mean about it? Like she'd tell her to lick her ass cause she's a shitty mom and that's all she deserves... "yeah, get that tongue deeeeep in there you nasty bitch."
Yes, Makoto borderline raped Futaba previous time
 
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I can see Sensei fucking Maki in the secret room, then Makoto entering it to ask something like where are the new dildos, then just taking off her clothes and saying: "Geez mom, if you were gonna fuck my boyfriend at least you could have the decency to ask me to join."
 

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I can see Sensei fucking Maki in the secret room, then Makoto entering it to ask something like where are the new dildos, then just taking off her clothes and saying: "Geez mom, if you were gonna fuck my boyfriend at least you could have the decency to ask me to join."
And then Maki flips out because of the "boyfriend" and Makoto's nonchalance and we have Prisoner 2.0 :Kappa:
 

corsair101

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Yes, Makoto borderline raped Futaba previous time
Makoto has a whole lot of sexual crazy energy going on, remember she also more or less raped Sensei during the depressive episode after her father died. I know she says after that she thought it wasn't real, but...oh lord, tag for spoilers if something happens with this, but if she finds out about what Kirin did with Sensei and Miku after the Halloween party, shit is gonna go nuclear.

And unrelated side note, but goddamn the Beachmas date with Noriko followed by the memory-recovering with Niki was an emotional one-two punch.
 
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DeSkel15

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I can see Sensei fucking Maki in the secret room, then Makoto entering it to ask something like where are the new dildos, then just taking off her clothes and saying: "Geez mom, if you were gonna fuck my boyfriend at least you could have the decency to ask me to join."
That could easily lead to things getting darker, tbh. Maki is in complete denial about Sensei being even attracted to not-adults, so I doubt that would end well for Sensei.

Makoto would also probably feel even more betrayed, by them both. She's straight, monoamorous, and doesn't want to share, nor plans on it based off her Hunger Games stuff:
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Psycho Makoto would be interesting. Might even be where her story is heading:unsure::coffee:
 
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JelF547

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Makoto has a whole lot of sexual crazy energy going on, remember she also more or less raped Sensei during the depressive episode after her father died. I know she says after that she thought it wasn't real, but...oh lord, tag for spoilers if something happens with this, but if she finds out about what Kirin did with Sensei and Miku after the Halloween party, shit is gonna go nuclear.
I think she would rage mostly because there were drugs involved. Except that, it shouldn't be a big deal in her eyes
 

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I think she would rage mostly because there were drugs involved. Except that, it shouldn't be a big deal in her eyes
Hard to say, really, probably depend a lot on how it gets explained to her. I can't comment too much because I'm behind by a few updates (finished Reset #5 but not up to the next main event yet), and I honestly don't recall Makoto ever really interacting with Kirin. Kind of depends on where the "Miku on drugs from Io" plotline goes and whether Miku actually remembers what happened.
 

Marie IV

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If one day Selebus were replaced by a ghostwriter who also assumed control of the story's artistic vision, would anyone notice a difference? Is the direction LiL is heading in so unique that it couldn't be replicated by anyone else without readers noticing any deviation from its original direction?

With the way LiL is developed, there are no secrets that "happy accidents" occur, blending and weaving the interruptions and personal experiences of Selebus' life alongside the story of LiL. But how far could these diversions go before any of us notice a difference or deviation from "what Lessons in Love should be/should have been," assuming it had any vague direction or objective to begin with?

Too little flexibility yields a rigid narrative that doesn't blend well with passing times, but too much flexibility and there may not be a narrative backbone at all—no true story to tell, just whatever comes to mind at a given moment, and mindsets change by the hour. That is the sort of feeling I get with how haywire recent chapters have been, and I'm interested to see if anyone else catches a glimpse of that or if I am just reading into it too much. Maybe it's progressing as intended, or maybe there's too much improvisation, as we know.

From what I could tell, though, Selebus seems to be vague about everything regarding the narrative direction of Lessons in Love, making it impossible to decipher between character development or character deviation—apart from the financial objectives; only there are his goals made abundantly clear.
 

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If one day Selebus were replaced by a ghostwriter who also assumed control of the story's artistic vision, would anyone notice a difference? Is the direction LiL is heading in so unique that it couldn't be replicated by anyone else without readers noticing any deviation from its original direction?
LiL is unique so I can assume nobody can/want do it except Selebus
 

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If one day Selebus were replaced by a ghostwriter who also assumed control of the story's artistic vision, would anyone notice a difference? Is the direction LiL is heading in so unique that it couldn't be replicated by anyone else without readers noticing any deviation from its original direction?

With the way LiL is developed, there are no secrets that "happy accidents" occur, blending and weaving the interruptions and personal experiences of Selebus' life alongside the story of LiL. But how far could these diversions go before any of us notice a difference or deviation from "what Lessons in Love should be/should have been," assuming it had any vague direction or objective to begin with?

Too little flexibility yields a rigid narrative that doesn't blend well with passing times, but too much flexibility and there may not be a narrative backbone at all—no true story to tell, just whatever comes to mind at a given moment, and mindsets change by the hour. That is the sort of feeling I get with how haywire recent chapters have been, and I'm interested to see if anyone else catches a glimpse of that or if I am just reading into it too much. Maybe it's progressing as intended, or maybe there's too much improvisation, as we know.

From what I could tell, though, Selebus seems to be vague about everything regarding the narrative direction of Lessons in Love, making it impossible to decipher between character development or character deviation—apart from the financial objectives; only there are his goals made abundantly clear.
I think this is an interesting thought experiment. I do think that if you fed the game into a GPT style AI, you'd be able to continue writing in the style of Selebus - there is more than enough data for that at this point.

The vision/plot of the story has wavered at times but I believe it's generally moved in a particular direction - I do think he fucked around the plot a bit too much in late 2022/early 2023 but has gotten it back on track. Would a generative AI be able to move a story forward, however? Is this story "unique" enough?

I think that so far, it is, but it still needs some more tightening up over the course of the year. There are too many hanging plot threads that have been teased but haven't been resolved, even though some have been. But even then, I think he still has a unique visual and written storytelling method that would be difficult to replicate.

So, TL;DR yes I think we'd be able to tell the difference
 

Marie IV

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LiL is unique so I can assume nobody can/want do it except Selebus
[...] I think he still has a unique visual and written storytelling method that would be difficult to replicate.
Sure, it is unique in its history and its impact, but is it unique because of Selebus' fragility, or was it unique because of what Selebus once wanted it to be? And does that still hold up with what it is today?

I feel like a question like this could be infinitely revisited since LiL is stated to be a continuously progressing narrative with no end in sight. To illustrate this, we know so little about what the foundational state of LiL is supposed to be, specifically because one of the main points of LiL is that we are not supposed to understand it. Since we cannot objectively understand many aspects of it, theoretically anything can happen to change constants we presume to understand already, and we would be none the wiser if it is intentional, a retcon, a revision, or normal progression. The fantastical nature of LiL means literally anything can occur, and it could seamlessly flow through the story or be explained away as some expected anomaly necessary to fulfill a point of the narrative we might not know about. Is that good writing or a weakness? It may be impossible to tell.

I'm particularly interested in the concept of the death of the author and supremacy of the reader. With the unique development behind LiL, the author could theoretically be replaced by anyone for a moment, and it might be impossible for us as readers to know the difference. LiL is so narratively incomprehensible that anything could happen, and we would have no choice but to accept it as if it were supposed to be there. We might not be able to identify mistakes or breaks of logic, or the feasibility of deus-ex spider-angel Gods, or characters not acting the way they should, simply because we still don't understand the 'rules' of the story or what the story should be. Or anything for that matter.

... Or maybe that's the point, though: to intentionally make trying to understand anything pointless. Kudos to Maya for not understanding anything of her world after how many years; I feel like we barely understood anything in four.
 

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Sure, it is unique in its history and its impact, but is it unique because of Selebus' fragility, or was it unique because of what Selebus once wanted it to be? And does that still hold up with what it is today?
It is unique because Selebus has balls to write about human horribleness from personal expirience. LiL is an explanation why some people are horrible, an example of why things whicch considered bad are actualy bad, etc etc etc.

Honestly, I don't sure there is something relatively similar in classic literature.

And yes, on top of that LiL is a denpa trope harem with schoolgirls and stuff
 
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