Random cringe theory:
What if Himawari is one of the girls in main cast? Like, maybe Otoha is her. Himawari can easily change her appearance and pretend to be someone else. Also, Nodoka saw a blue-eyed girl for some reason, but why did Nodoka see her? Maybe because her roommate IS actually a blue-eyed girl? This could also explain why Otoha knows about Sekai and tries to keep that secret. Plus, if we think about the theory that Himawari is Ayane's daughter, then it could explain why... Nah, that's all for today.
Okay. So this arc with lost Maya is lost on me. I just don't see their relationship as developed to such an extent. Like story doesn't convey that "love" towards Maya-prime as much as Sensei keep blabbering about losing her. And yes, most of it was never shown due to memory issues, but it just doesn't click. And that makes this whole trauma make no sense for my limited brain.
On the other side through the whole story I can only see Sensei loving Sekai. Definitely with some unconventional crooked love, but still. And last Touka event adds to it.
Niki doesn't even count, she just pushed him into relationship and he's too much of a pussy to say no while never caring about her at all.
On the unrelated note, I'm pretty sure everybody's calling him Akira all the time and just roll their eyes when he bust his move "Call me Akira now".
LoveBlueHairedGirl’s Himawari theory got me thinking up cracked potential theories of my own… and- okay so how about this?
Y’know how resets are able to mess with everyone’s perception of time and reality except for the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad? And also how reality can essentially be… rewritten entirely almost? (Examples: Ami getting crucified in Reset 6 but being alive again once the reset was initiated by Big Boy, Chinami coming down with a serious illness but being healthy again post reset, and of course we know of the many times Akira’s cognition has been rewritten, and now more recently Maya’s.)
Anyway, my point is: What if Sekai found a way to rewrite existence from beyond the grave? What if she’s able to return to life somehow?
We’re being led to believe Nao-chan was the last character added to the game, but… is it 100% definitely without a doubt confirmed? Or is Selebus perhaps hiding a sneaky little twist up his sleeve?
Just think about it. Sekai has appeared on the roof at the end of one of the resets before; the fifth one I believe. And Sekai is already possessing Kaori for a fact… why? To try and cling onto life in some form, obviously. Kaori’s recent events touch on the idea of rewriting history as well. It’s an interesting thought.
Imagine we go through a reset event, then once it’s initiated and Akira goes home: bam! Sitting right there on his couch.
“Hello, Aki-kun~… Did you miss me?”
And the sixteenth side character is added to the menu after the twist of all twists and a taunting message by the narrator.
“Oh, did I say Nao-chan was last? You really shouldn’t believe everything you hear, you know.”
Aw well. Realistic or not, it’s fun to imagine the possibilities.
LoveBlueHairedGirl’s Himawari theory got me thinking up cracked potential theories of my own… and- okay so how about this?
Y’know how resets are able to mess with everyone’s perception of time and reality except for the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad? And also how reality can essentially be… rewritten entirely almost? (Examples: Ami getting crucified in Reset 6 but being alive again once the reset was initiated by Big Boy, Chinami coming down with a serious illness but being healthy again post reset, and of course we know of the many times Akira’s cognition has been rewritten, and now more recently Maya’s.)
Anyway, my point is: What if Sekai found a way to rewrite existence from beyond the grave? What if she’s able to return to life somehow?
We’re being led to believe Nao-chan was the last character added to the game, but… is it 100% definitely without a doubt confirmed? Or is Selebus perhaps hiding a sneaky little twist up his sleeve?
Just think about it. Sekai has appeared on the roof at the end of one of the resets before; the fifth one I believe. And Sekai is already possessing Kaori for a fact… why? To try and cling onto life in some form, obviously. Kaori’s recent events touch on the idea of rewriting history as well. It’s an interesting thought.
Imagine we go through a reset event, then once it’s initiated and Akira goes home: bam! Sitting right there on his couch.
“Hello, Aki-kun~… Did you miss me?”
And the sixteenth side character is added to the menu after the twist of all twists and a taunting message by the narrator.
“Oh, did I say Nao-chan was last? You really shouldn’t believe everything you hear, you know.”
Aw well. Realistic or not, it’s fun to imagine the possibilities.
Okay. So this arc with lost Maya is lost on me. I just don't see their relationship as developed to such an extent. Like story doesn't convey that "love" towards Maya-prime as much as Sensei keep blabbering about losing her. And yes, most of it was never shown due to memory issues, but it just doesn't click. And that makes this whole trauma make no sense for my limited brain.
On the other side through the whole story I can only see Sensei loving Sekai. Definitely with some unconventional crooked love, but still. And last Touka event adds to it.
Niki doesn't even count, she just pushed him into relationship and he's too much of a pussy to say no while never caring about her at all.
On the unrelated note, I'm pretty sure everybody's calling him Akira all the time and just roll their eyes when he bust his move "Call me Akira now".
You're not alone, I had mentioned this previously and most of us agree. I just don't vibe with this whole Maya thing and it should've been developed more.
Like yeah, you can claim that we will get the reasoning for his attachment later on, but it impacts the gameplay NOW, I just don't give a shit about Maya man please.
LoveBlueHairedGirl’s Himawari theory got me thinking up cracked potential theories of my own… and- okay so how about this?
Y’know how resets are able to mess with everyone’s perception of time and reality except for the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad? And also how reality can essentially be… rewritten entirely almost? (Examples: Ami getting crucified in Reset 6 but being alive again once the reset was initiated by Big Boy, Chinami coming down with a serious illness but being healthy again post reset, and of course we know of the many times Akira’s cognition has been rewritten, and now more recently Maya’s.)
Anyway, my point is: What if Sekai found a way to rewrite existence from beyond the grave? What if she’s able to return to life somehow?
We’re being led to believe Nao-chan was the last character added to the game, but… is it 100% definitely without a doubt confirmed? Or is Selebus perhaps hiding a sneaky little twist up his sleeve?
Just think about it. Sekai has appeared on the roof at the end of one of the resets before; the fifth one I believe. And Sekai is already possessing Kaori for a fact… why? To try and cling onto life in some form, obviously. Kaori’s recent events touch on the idea of rewriting history as well. It’s an interesting thought.
Imagine we go through a reset event, then once it’s initiated and Akira goes home: bam! Sitting right there on his couch.
“Hello, Aki-kun~… Did you miss me?”
And the sixteenth side character is added to the menu after the twist of all twists and a taunting message by the narrator.
“Oh, did I say Nao-chan was last? You really shouldn’t believe everything you hear, you know.”
Aw well. Realistic or not, it’s fun to imagine the possibilities.
I think it's possible given that we're heading to a dark route. But I don't think it's likely that she'd exist by herself in a normal cycle, or that she'd get an ending. If Sekai managed to simply will herself into existence (real existence), then a LOT of characters would more or less lose their current reason of being. No more voices in your head, no more possession, she'd become a Nodoka with a master's in manipulation - but being "real" would also make her weaker.
Same for Himawari. Being real means no longer being able to shapeshift, bound to reality means that you can just punch them in the face.
What I'm saying is that if they'd become real it would probably be in a "happy event" like cycle during the dark route.
So, just curious, am i really in the minority here who doesnt really see a problem with the whole Maya Prime storyline?
Even if the simple fact that she was there from the start, not just as one of the 10 original girls of the class, but also the only person who did go with him through the resets -which would be quite the traumatic experience people would form a bond over- wouldnt mean anything for you.
Then how about the thought that he gets more and more of his memories and his pre-reset personality back. And because he loved maya before the resets, those feelings are of course bleeding over into his current post-reset akira-sensei personality. Is that a too hard stretch for you guys?
Or if you really want to stay hellbend on him not loving her, then how about guilt? It is really that hard to believe that someone would feel guilt when your penis inside them, would cause them literally to be erased from existance? Because that is what happened. They had sex, he didnt started to melt for whatever reason, and instead she made pop and is now gone. I would feel shitty when my penis did cause that for another person.
And what about the simple fact that he never was any good at handling the loss of people in his life has been part of the story for quite a while now. So, i really dont see where all this arguing comes that this isnt well developed or it all happens without any reason. When i see all the reasons clearly been lying out there in the open for a while by now.
Okay. So this arc with lost Maya is lost on me. I just don't see their relationship as developed to such an extent. Like story doesn't convey that "love" towards Maya-prime as much as Sensei keep blabbering about losing her. And yes, most of it was never shown due to memory issues, but it just doesn't click. And that makes this whole trauma make no sense for my limited brain.
Maya is both the anchor to Akira and to us in this story. She explains what's going on, she's the constant enigma, and she's the one that understands what we're going through. She's there to help us, she's sacrificed everything because of us, and her love simply cannot be measured.
You may add to that the sum of countless cycles bleeding through. It hasn't been confirmed, but it was hinted many times that the reason as to why these girls fall for Akira so fast and so hard is because they've been doing it for countless cycles, and some level of that bleeds through. It is possible that this affects Akira too, and he's been led by Maya countless times now, which would add to the level of emotion.
And lastly, Akira's tragedy is two-fold: His abuse during childhood, and his trauma of losing his loved one/abuser. This is the second time he has lost someone he loved, it happened to the second and only person he had sex with before all the resets, and he still has NO IDEA how to deal with that. Add to that that it was because of him, and that he's now experiencing a reset through the perspective of our Maya for the first time (having to deal with a Maya that was reset). He hasn't got a clue of how to deal with his feelings and/or life.
We're seeing him blabber about her death for what? a few months in-game. He hasn't managed to deal with Sekai's death and it has been 15 years. I'd say we're going pretty fast even.
And adding to what you said, which is totally in line with what I think:
I think the storyline not only doesn't have a problem, but it is expected. In narratives where you have a mentor-figure, which is what Maya is in LiL, it is expected that the mentor will die at some point (could be a metaphorical death), but in the sense that the protagonist will have to deal with things himself. And that's what's happening.
Akira has to figure things out without a crutch, and if Maya was still here it would make that more difficult, and also be a problem for him to figure out his past with her, which is still mystery - but with a Maya that doesn't fear cracking if she says things or touches him, the road is open for us to find out (we already started by seeing how she interacts with him).
While it’s true he doesn’t ‘remember his past’, keep in mind the important detail that he’s willingly suppressing it too. As such, it’s my belief that subconscious feelings are able to slip through the cracks without making themselves immediately presentable.
Akira still feels a deep connection with Sekai, Niki, Noriko, Ami, Ayane and Maya because technically that past still happened and is alluded to in story. Just because Akira is shielding himself from his past trauma by suppressing his memories, doesn’t mean he doesn’t love or care for certain people deep down.
Besides, what was he supposed to do when Maya popped on the roof?
“Oh, well that’s a bummer. Guess we’ll see how this plays out.”?
The Maya Prime storyline was great, Maya Prime as a character is top tier, and no that is not the minority opinion.
That being said, I can respect your opinion if Maya just isn’t for you as a character. There are plenty of girls in the game, after all. Even still, the writing itself is fine.
I think the storyline not only doesn't have a problem, but it is expected. In narratives where you have a mentor-figure, which is what Maya is in LiL, it is expected that the mentor will die at some point (could be a metaphorical death), but in the sense that the protagonist will have to deal with things himself. And that's what's happening.
Huh, i have to admit, i never thought of her as a mentor figure. But... yeah, i can see that be a thing.
Btw, i that gave me some reasons another thought. I mean for maya it was like it that she couldnt to much, that wouldnt lead him to melt away. And that for seemingly a long, long time. So there is something i am now a bit dissapointed about -okay let me just say up front, it wouldnt have really did fit with the direction the story took, so i understand why it didnt happened- and that is that he wasnt trapped in that for a while.
You know? Not been able to do anything with maya without melting her and reset the whole timeline completely and been completly alone. No one else who would be even aware of the time loops or the resets. And basically always getting the rug pulled from under him every time maya did broke some rule neither she nor he is even aware of. At least for a fakeout i would have loved that.
But yeah, from the pacing and mood it would at least very hard to swallow this and going right to his shut down personality. Although it could have worked, if this was what caused it. But then of course it would diminish the impact maya herself had on it. Yeah, i guess there wouldnt have been a good way to story sel wanted to tell after the reset.
Continuing with the box discussion from the other day, this is the last maya event from chapter 2.
After their date watching the fireworks, Maya tells Akira she has a present for him. She then corrects herself, saying it's not a present, but that by honoring the tradition it would help her deal with their changing relationship, so she needs his help carrying it. Akira asks if he can look at what's inside this time, and she says that if he can open it, he can take a look at it. But she says she doesn't have it with her, and that they'll have to go get it in the dorms... BUT as she says this, Maya's gone and the box is already there with him.
I'd like to hear some thoughts on this, and I'm also missing a few details. First, what is the ritual exactly? Maya keeps the box in her bedroom at the dorms and then as the reset is about to happen she takes the box where exactly?
Second, what is the purpose of this? It doesn't seem to have any effect on the reset, so maybe what's inside the box is kept intact through resets? Cause if that's the case, it would make sense for it to be something that is modified by her during the resets, otherwise you wouldn't have to save it, it would remain regardless as something that existed before the resets I think. But then it would contradict it being Akira's memories, since it would fit more being her notes on the resets or something.
And third, maybe the box is what's buried underneath his feet? Are his notebooks of poems inside? Yeah that's my limit for now I think...
When i click on the option " See what Nao is up to " .
I get the error " your save file is corrupted ", I was able to get to this point without an issue.
is there a way to fix this? preferable without using other's save file
When i click on the option " See what Nao is up to " .
I get the error " your save file is corrupted ", I was able to get to this point without an issue.
is there a way to fix this? preferable without using other's save file View attachment 3601761
When i click on the option " See what Nao is up to " .
I get the error " your save file is corrupted ", I was able to get to this point without an issue.
is there a way to fix this? preferable without using other's save file View attachment 3601761
Okay. So this arc with lost Maya is lost on me. I just don't see their relationship as developed to such an extent. Like story doesn't convey that "love" towards Maya-prime as much as Sensei keep blabbering about losing her. And yes, most of it was never shown due to memory issues, but it just doesn't click. And that makes this whole trauma make no sense for my limited brain.
On the other side through the whole story I can only see Sensei loving Sekai. Definitely with some unconventional crooked love, but still. And last Touka event adds to it.
Niki doesn't even count, she just pushed him into relationship and he's too much of a pussy to say no while never caring about her at all.
On the unrelated note, I'm pretty sure everybody's calling him Akira all the time and just roll their eyes when he bust his move "Call me Akira now".
Adding to the list of people that are gonna tell you 'Maya Prime has been through how many godforsaken reset amounts (in the thousands if not more?) experimenting with Akira on what she can or cannot do losing multiple variations of Akira at varying stages, her notebook existing to help the start of 'us as Akira' in Akira's room, being hostile as fuck while taking what wins she could get after all this time of looping and still bringing other people into the fuckery, hitting a literal blank ass wall and still being objective enough to look for answers other than going 'lemme get what the fuck i want right now' etc etc the genuine godess of lust and tsundere at this point holding back her entire being.
And suddenly it's all gone. Akira finally understood alot of what he had with Maya and why he was constantly after her, He experienced Niki's reconciliation and every other girl under the sun and at the end of it all Maya is the only one he can BE with on his own understanding. Niki is an option he has but he hates it because she's too good for him, Imani is too good for him and is a relationship he hasn't ruined with his penis, Noriko is too good for him and actively seems to agree but still wants to be a doll for him to use.
Maya is someone who literally won't let him get away with being such a piece of shit when she's in her right mind, whether she was actively groomed into being so or somehow convinced tutor Akira that she is just too smart and the perfect person for him or something similar to Sekai? who the fuck knows that's speculation though someone like Deskel may just debunk me with quotes. Maya Prime is like the Anchor point that Akira has reset upon reset without understanding why, and then he finally understood why and it got taken from him. Insert him trying to make Ami his new anchor point with what i think is a shittonne of misguided feelings but we'll see where it goes i guess.
TLDR i ranted about random shit, I'm drunk again, sue me.
Gone are the times you could write TLDR without an emoji popping up in-between it.
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