NicolasL4D

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I may be completely wrong here but I vaguely recall hearing Selly had said being a bad homie was the canon choice, since being a bad homie leads to missed events that would mean the green path isn't necessarily the canon path. So it's possible having sex with Io isn't even canon.
I always saw "canon choice" as a misnomer. Nothing is canonical. What's canonical is what YOU pick.

You shouldn't be playing what is canonical, at least in my opinion. You're given a choice, and you should pick the choices you want to go off of. Even if it does annoy Selebus as you see in a later Ami event.
 

Leoxsama

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One theory I haven't seen floating around is that we're all assuming that the space war is bullshit and used as an excuse to get rid of other men for the sake of the plot, but assuming it IS real, then that theory of Ami and/or Sekai not actually being human takes on a whole other meaning. They might actually be aliens.
 

Dc345

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One theory I haven't seen floating around is that we're all assuming that the space war is bullshit and used as an excuse to get rid of other men for the sake of the plot, but assuming it IS real, then that theory of Ami and/or Sekai not actually being human takes on a whole other meaning. They might actually be aliens.
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CheleDeCedul

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Sorry if I'm late, and probably someone did it before, but just finished the update and wanted to share the triggers for the events for anyone that might be looking for them:

Yasu1 = Needs Touka camping event. Autoplays Sunday morning.
Yasu2/3 = Autoplays Saturday night. Yasu3 is the main unlocker of the rest of the events.
Maki = Porn shop + lust>5 + Yasu3.
Futaba = Dorms + lust>25 + Yasu3.
Haruka = Cafe + weekend + Yasu3. Rin autoplays after.
Io1/2/3 = Bathhouse + weekday + Yasu3.
Uta1 = Yasu3. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Uta2 = Autoplays Wednesday night.
Noriko1 = Convenience store + love>30 + Yasu3.
Noriko2 = Uta1. Autoplays Sunday afternoon.
Kirin = Noriko1. Autoplays Saturday afternoon.
Wakana1/2 + Imani1/2 = Yasu3 + Uta2 + Noriko2 + Kirin + Io2. Autoplays Saturday morning.
 

Yarazin

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Ok, since I'm really invested (obsessed), I couldn't wait just one more day and cut out some sleep to finish the update. On break now so figured I would write up some thoughts. I liked it but I'm always confused about many things so interested to read others thoughts. For now ill just say a few things about each girls events.

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NicolasL4D

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I always saw "canon choice" as a misnomer. Nothing is canonical. What's canonical is what YOU pick.

You shouldn't be playing what is canonical, at least in my opinion. You're given a choice, and you should pick the choices you want to go off of. Even if it does annoy Selebus as you see in a later Ami event.
This is ironic because I'm locked out of the Rin event. I don't even know what choice caused this.
 

fdsasdf_p

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Wanted to add some thoughts on Noriko's bizarre journey.
1. Assuming Nao in the lucid dream being the same wizard Nao we know is straightforward and very likely to be correct, but I can't cast away the feeling that Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT isn't exactly the same Nao that held hands with Noriko moments ago.
  • This isn't the first time Nao got sent to paranormal locations, but during those two incidents she appeared to be a conscious but confused bystander who got involved not out of her own volition. This time the Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is tasked by Maya as Noriko's guide. Being "a part of it" fits how mysterious Nao is, but also is in fact very unprecedent.
  • Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is rendered without eyes, her most defining feature.
  • Tsuneyo's friend in light purple cap can be spotted immediately prior to the loading screen. He's placed there in the scene on purpose and I can't help thinking whether he has something to do with any part of it.
2. Why can Noriko enter such a place? DEN OF THE MOLERAT is a replica of Heaven, and the idea of Heaven is reinvented by Yasu shortly before as "just another name for another plane". More importantly, one doesn't enter this specific plane on accident, and one has to believe in it for it to exist as well.
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The "believe in it" part I think is a cute throwback to Noriko's personality, believing things like some other timeline or some other world, though this can hardly be a proof and I am bringing this up out of romantic whim.
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Regardless, there is a desire that empowers Noriko to find this plane, and that desire is not aligned with amiokay or whoever is behind amiokay, with the former promptly kicking her out. So what recent desire does Noriko have that pertains to "making wishes come true"? The desire not to understand what happened to Maya, but to know.
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Thus a certain force in power (Nao, Maya, purple cap guy, or Noriko herself, or anyone suspicious honestly) separates Noriko from where and when she means to be and sends her to the bottom of everything, where what's probably become of Prime Maya after 6th reset lies before Noriko to let her know that something did happen to Maya, and let her keep this memory, but not let her understand any of it.

3. I am a little concerned about what's written on the blackboard.
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First two are classic LiL BS, but the last one is "-ingle twin". What is that? If I zoom hard enough it looks like "single twin", but what twin anyway?

There is currently no twin in the game and if we're not talking about mattress sizes, I can't helping relating this to the fact that both Maya and amiokay are there in the room at the same time. Blending this with other foreboding things like "Have you found it yet? The paradox?" by amiokay, the constant theme of needing to distinguish amiokay from Maya in multiple happy events, "maybe she was never meant to be here at all" by Pareidolia, and then heavy doses of unruly imagination gives me headache.
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(I wrote last two almost like fan fictions so don't bother looking for supporting proof because there aint any lol)

4. Some random things that lead to nowhere:
  • I am a little upset that Noriko didn't comment on Nao's eye colors. Of all the girls out there Noriko should be the few ones that would be able to draw some interesting thoughts about Nao's eyes, but she didn't.
  • Nao's favorite animal is probably not something real to us if Noriko never heard of it (unless Nao speaks in nomenclature or it's just an extremely random animal, and Noriko is not Nodoka-level smart), at least not frog or chicken perhaps. With her nightmarish drawing, it'd be hilarious if her favorite animal is fucking wilford blackhole hands.
 

fdsasdf_p

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Working on a redline path playthrough, trying to miss as many events as possible. Thus, I'm not grinding Lust. I've run into an interesting question.

Some lust events are listed in the Wiki as Not Missable, which implies they're required for progress.

The next Chika event (Detention) in my run is one of those. If I never build up the Lust, it should never trigger. Is that a softlock, or will the story progress regardless?
Unless prior events already rewarded you with enough lust points, after a certain point you will not be able to proceed if you absolutely forbid yourself from lust grinding and get yourself stuck at a lust event. I think the same goes for Futaba's lust event in this update, in which I couldn't directly trigger her second event and simply bypass her lust event in my sexless run.
 

Jaoo

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Dec 30, 2018
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what if the gods all take turns controlling the world in a specific order and each time Akira fails or some other trigger happens the Big Reset happens, so the guy that's first in line wants the Big Reset to happen so he can selfishly have his turn again, or infinite spring so the other seasons never happen. Sorry if gibberish, totally trashed on hospital drugs rn. Osako might just have a cuck fetish
 

NicolasL4D

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what if the gods all take turns controlling the world in a specific order and each time Akira fails or some other trigger happens the Big Reset happens, so the guy that's first in line wants the Big Reset to happen so he can selfishly have his turn again, or infinite spring so the other seasons never happen. Sorry if gibberish, totally trashed on hospital drugs rn. Osako might just have a cuck fetish
Doesn't make sense.

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zeroobliv

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So Io; that was a thing. I avoided that shitstorm instead of banging it. First time for everything I guess. Looking forward to how not going through with that nonsense plays out now that everything's out in the open over a misunderstanding. She was freaking the hell out when she got turned down. I've always been all in on the scumbaggery but I oddly couldn't go through with it in this instance.
 

Comiies

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How do we know that breaking the girls, isn't the right thing?

Or I guess from a "play" perspective, in order to see the good endings, we have to break them right? They (we) don't get to experience the good until we push through and take part in the bad.

As we are all playing an "h-game" we should be wanting to break them (we read the tags) and as, we, the players start sympathizing with everybody more we root for Akira to not do the bad thing. We stop caring about wanting to fuck Maya, and now we all want to save Maya prime, for example.

I'm just not sure the text supports them being wrong yet, even if they feel bad.

Maybe, if Tsubasa is the second narrator, in order to save everybody you do have to turn yourself into a god (which in the modern context sounds bad, but was the whole point of a lot of ancient spiritual traditions).
Well think about it like this.On one hand we have a deprived rapist/child abuser that groomed us from a very very young age telling us to break the girls.On the other hand we have a god(or at the very least god like) constatly abusing us verbally about how we are alway at fault,how we are the reason anything bad is happening and how to atone for that we need to become the beast that we KNOW we are.I think its pretty obvious that these 2 narratos dont have the best intentions in mind,to put it litgly.
 

aramaug

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Wanted to add some thoughts on Noriko's bizarre journey.
1. Assuming Nao in the lucid dream being the same wizard Nao we know is straightforward and very likely to be correct, but I can't cast away the feeling that Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT isn't exactly the same Nao that held hands with Noriko moments ago.
  • This isn't the first time Nao got sent to paranormal locations, but during those two incidents she appeared to be a conscious but confused bystander who got involved not out of her own volition. This time the Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is tasked by Maya as Noriko's guide. Being "a part of it" fits how mysterious Nao is, but also is in fact very unprecedent.
  • Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is rendered without eyes, her most defining feature.
  • Tsuneyo's friend in light purple cap can be spotted immediately prior to the loading screen. He's placed there in the scene on purpose and I can't help thinking whether he has something to do with any part of it.
2. Why can Noriko enter such a place? DEN OF THE MOLERAT is a replica of Heaven, and the idea of Heaven is reinvented by Yasu shortly before as "just another name for another plane". More importantly, one doesn't enter this specific plane on accident, and one has to believe in it for it to exist as well.
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The "believe in it" part I think is a cute throwback to Noriko's personality, believing things like some other timeline or some other world, though this can hardly be a proof and I am bringing this up out of romantic whim.
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Regardless, there is a desire that empowers Noriko to find this plane, and that desire is not aligned with amiokay or whoever is behind amiokay, with the former promptly kicking her out. So what recent desire does Noriko have that pertains to "making wishes come true"? The desire not to understand what happened to Maya, but to know.
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Thus a certain force in power (Nao, Maya, purple cap guy, or Noriko herself, or anyone suspicious honestly) separates Noriko from where and when she means to be and sends her to the bottom of everything, where what's probably become of Prime Maya after 6th reset lies before Noriko to let her know that something did happen to Maya, and let her keep this memory, but not let her understand any of it.

3. I am a little concerned about what's written on the blackboard.
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First two are classic LiL BS, but the last one is "-ingle twin". What is that? If I zoom hard enough it looks like "single twin", but what twin anyway?

There is currently no twin in the game and if we're not talking about mattress sizes, I can't helping relating this to the fact that both Maya and amiokay are there in the room at the same time. Blending this with other foreboding things like "Have you found it yet? The paradox?" by amiokay, the constant theme of needing to distinguish amiokay from Maya in multiple happy events, "maybe she was never meant to be here at all" by Pareidolia, and then heavy doses of unruly imagination gives me headache.
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(I wrote last two almost like fan fictions so don't bother looking for supporting proof because there aint any lol)

4. Some random things that lead to nowhere:
  • I am a little upset that Noriko didn't comment on Nao's eye colors. Of all the girls out there Noriko should be the few ones that would be able to draw some interesting thoughts about Nao's eyes, but she didn't.
  • Nao's favorite animal is probably not something real to us if Noriko never heard of it (unless Nao speaks in nomenclature or it's just an extremely random animal, and Noriko is not Nodoka-level smart), at least not frog or chicken perhaps. With her nightmarish drawing, it'd be hilarious if her favorite animal is fucking wilford blackhole hands.
  • I like the idea that Noriko is pulled in because she "wishes" to know. Nao was the result of Kaori's wish and seems likely to be connected to the wishing well.
  • Purple hat guy showing up and Nao having no eyes are both things that I missed but seem important. Purple hat guy is identified as Tsuneyo's friend and I kind of got the impression he was watching over her, so maybe he's sent by Wires. Not sure why he would be watching Noriko, maybe some old district connection.
  • Nao's lack of eyes reminds me of a similar thing with Ghost Sekai in the background of some event that I can't recall.
  • Chinami also asked Nao about her favorite animal in "Becoming a Kidnapper" and the answer was apparently rhinos. I'm not sure if her answer changed, if Noriko is just commenting that she hasn't heard it specifically as answer to her question, or maybe Nao mentioned a specific type of rhino. Probably a coincidence, but the narrator in "DEN OF THE MOLE RAT" does mention the "Southern White Rhino".
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The writing on the chalkboard is the same as in "Turn Off the Lights".
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  • "List the things you love" has appeared two other times that I know of. First in an image in Miku's Chapter 1 event "Nightvision", which seems likely connected to Pareidolia. Second, Kaori says it one of the times that she's in Tojo Ramen.
  • "Stop Looking for Answers" is something Maya says, but I think Pareidolia has also said it.

The twin thing has been bugging me since I saw it while replaying Chapter 1. There technically is one twin mentioned in the game, as Nodoka has the supposed evil twin Shiori, but that seems unlikely to be related.

I haven't come up with any concrete ideas, but here are some clues that might be relevant. The hex text above the twin message is exactly what the upside down, T-posing Ami says in "Trinity pt. I" (and she also says she has nightvision, i.e. can see more in the dark)
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Strangely, she doesn't count herself as one the things cuddled up beside him, even if you're having sex with her, so maybe this is some alternate version of Ami.

One other thing that might be a hint toward twins, but is a stretch: in "Rewrite" the narrator talks about seeing "our children's seventh birthday", implying the narrator and Sensei could have (or will have in the future) multiple children together that share a single birthday. Later in the event this is "corrected" to "our childrens' seventh birthdays". Given the change in both the apostrophe and the plural, it doesn't seem likely to just be a typo (and in any case Sel has been pretty diligent about going back to correct old typos).
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Since I brought up the "Trinity pt. I" hallway scene, there's another thing about it that mystifies me. When the girls appear upside down, Ayane and Futaba are looking away from Sensei, which is not their normal dorm pose (we can't see where Miku, Rin, or Maya are looking). Then when they're right-side up, they're looking at Sensei.
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I can't think of what would connect Ayane and Futaba but no one else.
 

SeZ2041

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Selebus posted instructions on how to update LiL RenPY version in his discord. Please note, that renpy is not guaranteing that saves, made with manually upgraded renpy would work in newer versions of LiL. Backup your saves if you consider to manually update renpy.

Good news is that Selebus will update renpy eventually, so I suggest to not manually update it if old renpy is steal bearable for you

PS brace yourself, new wave of "My saves are broken" incoming
Now I know why my save file disappeared
 
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