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This game would be perfect if players could have more solid control over the MCs personality and decision making. Like if a dude wanna play as a romantic polyanimous Romeo .. or as a straight up loli loving fuckboy, say sneaking over to Chikas to seduce and mold Chinami into a lil lowkey cockslut, then i think itd be worth the effort of making the new chapter the start of true player freedom even if the game would be totally changed up especially since Id personally regularly donate atleast a hundred after seeing more player freedom.
 
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This game would be perfect if players could have more solid control over the MCs personality and decision making. Like if a dude wanna play as a romantic polyanimous Romeo .. or as a straight up loli loving fuckboy, say sneaking over to Chikas to seduce and mold Chinami into a lil lowkey cockslut, then i think itd be worth the effort of making the new chapter the start of true player freedom even if the game would be totally changed up especially since Id personally regularly donate atleast a hundred after seeing more player freedom.
I feel that a lack of control is one of the forefronts of this game though, it robs you of your power to force the narrative to suit you and merely give you the choice to either be the passive one in the corner, or to delve in harder to see what breaks next. Surely eventually there will be a renewed sense of agency as the game evolves, and as Sensei regains more of himself to be able to resist. Until then, buckle up and enjoy the ride as best as is possible, because shit literally only gets worse form here for a good long time.
 

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This game would be perfect if players could have more solid control over the MCs personality and decision making. Like if a dude wanna play as a romantic polyanimous Romeo .. or as a straight up loli loving fuckboy, say sneaking over to Chikas to seduce and mold Chinami into a lil lowkey cockslut, then i think itd be worth the effort of making the new chapter the start of true player freedom even if the game would be totally changed up especially since Id personally regularly donate atleast a hundred after seeing more player freedom.
That's just not how this game is, part of it is that you are not in control, as the game will tell you multiple times. This is not entirely just a plot device, but actually has function to it, or should I say lack of function since having function in the tradional sense would mean we do have control. Not even the MC is in control in some cases.

I feel that a lack of control is one of the forefronts of this game though, it robs you of your power to force the narrative to suit you and merely give you the choice to either be the passive one in the corner, or to delve in harder to see what breaks next. Surely eventually there will be a renewed sense of agency as the game evolves, and as Sensei regains more of himself to be able to resist. Until then, buckle up and enjoy the ride as best as is possible, because shit literally only gets worse form here for a good long time.
I believe you make a good point, but there may not be such an evolution considering what kind of game it is. I would say a renewed sense of agency would make for a truly positive turn of events and this is a Denpa game, where truly positive is rare. I don't know, we might get something in the purity routes, maybe those will involve more agency, maybe they won't and will simply improve the situation without making it truly positive, but those routes are years away even under a completely unimpeded development schedule and barely anything has been revealed about them, only that they will exist.
 
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And that scene is never stated to be under an outside influence, so as far as we know, he is fully in control and is just taking his scumbag level to new heights.
Huh, haven't gotten to that point yet. I'm like midway through chapter 2. Shouldn't be too long before I see that scene.
 
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Huh, haven't gotten to that point yet. I'm like midway through chapter 2. Shouldn't be too long before I see that scene.
That scenes just reinforces the notion that this Sensei is just an empty shell, he does this horrible thing (in a scene that becomes slightly nightmarish) and then just kinda...leaves.

Which is a recurring theme, something horrible happens and Sensei either doesn't care or is confused.
 
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That scenes just reinforces the notion that this Sensei is just an empty shell, he does this horrible thing (in a scene that becomes slightly nightmarish) and then just kinda...leaves.

Which is a recurring theme, something horrible happens and Sensei either doesn't care or is confused.
The updates leading to the latest reset really reinforce that. You go from the scene with Miku, to the rooftop scene with Ayane, where
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he is, at best, indifferent.
 
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This game would be perfect if players could have more solid control over the MCs personality and decision making. Like if a dude wanna play as a romantic polyanimous Romeo .. or as a straight up loli loving fuckboy, say sneaking over to Chikas to seduce and mold Chinami into a lil lowkey cockslut, then i think itd be worth the effort of making the new chapter the start of true player freedom even if the game would be totally changed up especially since Id personally regularly donate atleast a hundred after seeing more player freedom.
Happily, this will never, ever happen.
 
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This game would be perfect if players could have more solid control over the MCs personality and decision making. Like if a dude wanna play as a romantic polyanimous Romeo .. or as a straight up loli loving fuckboy, say sneaking over to Chikas to seduce and mold Chinami into a lil lowkey cockslut, then i think itd be worth the effort of making the new chapter the start of true player freedom even if the game would be totally changed up especially since Id personally regularly donate atleast a hundred after seeing more player freedom.
It would clash with core ideas of the game and would turn it into a regular date sim/fap fodder. It's like if you want LiL without edgy stuff and drama (there is a game being made specifically with this setup), ok, but what's the point?
 
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The updates leading to the latest reset really reinforce that. You go from the scene with Miku, to the rooftop scene with Ayane, where
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he is, at best, indifferent.
And he still chooses to pull out of Ami. So, as I previously stated, he cares a bare minimum, enough to feel shitty about what's right in front of him.
 
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Do you guys think a harem (like the typical ones we see in other games) will form? Or is it more likely to be some isolated examples here and there (given that the girls don't see very likely to share)?
 

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Do you guys think a harem (like the typical ones we see in other games) will form? Or is it more likely to be some isolated examples here and there (given that the girls don't see very likely to share)?
No true harem. Some of the girls (Nodoka especially) seem to be turned on by the idea of staging harem-style encounters with other girls involved, but the tone of the game suggests that what we're going to get during this phase of game development is a bunch of horrible outcomes like Bluejay that focus on just how harmful Sensei's behavior is. Selebus has said that better outcomes for the girls will be added later, but there is no "true" harem path.

This game is, more than anything else, a subversion of the harem genre than a true harem game.
 

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That scenes just reinforces the notion that this Sensei is just an empty shell, he does this horrible thing (in a scene that becomes slightly nightmarish) and then just kinda...leaves.

Which is a recurring theme, something horrible happens and Sensei either doesn't care or is confused.
I mean, I understand him being a scumbag and just a disgusting piece of... well you get the point. But coming back to the initial discussion, he does usually feel strongly against forcing girls into it and I'd be surprised if he did the same to miku or some other girl tbh. Unless he loses his touch with reality, as he usually does with yumi lmao.
 

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I mean, I understand him being a scumbag and just a disgusting piece of... well you get the point. But coming back to the initial discussion, he does usually feel strongly against forcing girls into it and I'd be surprised if he did the same to miku or some other girl tbh. Unless he loses his touch with reality, as he usually does with yumi lmao.
The story kinda implies (before the timeloops started) that he may have had certain "compulsions" towards the girls, but he never acted on them for the same reasons normal people don't, but this Sensei clearly doesn't share the same concerns that the OG one had (i.e he thinks with his dick basically).

I'm not gonna spoil the event for you, but even at that stage of the game you can see that's he's not above using some emotional blackmail to get what he wants.
 
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The story kinda implies (before the timeloops started) that he may have had certain "compulsions" towards the girls, but he never acted on them for the same reasons normal people don't, but this Sensei clearly doesn't share the same concerns that the OG one had (i.e he thinks with his dick basically).

I'm not gonna spoil the event for you, but even at that stage of the game you can see that's he's not above using some emotional blackmail to get what he wants.
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue on that point. Just... I can stomach him being a dick and not caring about anybody, and see where the story goes... but rape is a lot harder to stomach. Just hoping selebus doesn't go too deep into that myself.
 

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I wonder what's up with Kirin, it's pretty clear her sluttiness and overall unpleasant behavior towards Ayane and her sister stem from self-loathing, but i can't figure out if it's a result of her hatred towards her sister or something else. :unsure:
 

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I think you see what you want to see, and not what is really. In this game there is not a single real hint of pregnancy or even its opportunity.

No opportunity? Did you miss the non-optional creampie in Prisoner?

As for hint -- while Ayane didn't come out and say it, Sensei had literally just given her a reason to NOT say it in Nevermind, including a not-so-veiled threat. But she was definitely playing "say you're pregnant without saying you're pregnant," even going so far as to say that she's just going to hint at it repeatedly until he figures it out.

Hell, Maya even figured it out, as she makes clear in the beginning of Before the Sun Comes Up
 

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Happily, this will never, ever happen.
I wouldn't say never, but it is unlikely given the genre's track record.

It would clash with core ideas of the game and would turn it into a regular date sim/fap fodder. It's like if you want LiL without edgy stuff and drama (there is a game being made specifically with this setup), ok, but what's the point?
Indeed

I mean, I understand him being a scumbag and just a disgusting piece of... well you get the point. But coming back to the initial discussion, he does usually feel strongly against forcing girls into it and I'd be surprised if he did the same to miku or some other girl tbh. Unless he loses his touch with reality, as he usually does with yumi lmao.
That scene I mentioned doesn't make him seem to be against forcing them and what little in the entire game does seem like he's against forcing them really just makes him look like he's only trying not to do something that, while it may seem like it will get results toward his goal quicker, would actually just be shooting himself in the foot and denying him one or more of the girls. Without spoiling, you're in for one hell of a surprise, a particular scene that set me off big time when I typically don't have emotional outbursts at the actions of video game characters because of the, now useless, logic that it is just a game.

Yeah, I'm not gonna argue on that point. Just... I can stomach him being a dick and not caring about anybody, and see where the story goes... but rape is a lot harder to stomach. Just hoping selebus doesn't go too deep into that myself.
There definitely hasn't been outright rape yet, I can confirm that without spoiling, but I do stress yet as the game's setup makes that a very real possibility as long as there are no moral problems with creating such content for Selebus.

I wonder what's up with Kirin, it's pretty clear her sluttiness and overall unpleasant behavior towards Ayane and her sister stem from self-loathing, but i can't figure out if it's a result of her hatred towards her sister or something else. :unsure:
I think it's something else combined with those other aspects causing her to be more forward.

I think you see what you want to see, and not what is really. In this game there is not a single real hint of pregnancy or even its opportunity.
The updates leading to the latest reset really reinforce that. You go from the scene with Miku, to the rooftop scene with Ayane, where
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he is, at best, indifferent.
I have to agree, I have not seen any hint that he has impregnated one of the girls. However, I disagree on the last part, he has had multiple opportunities to impregnate them. The only reason I don't believe a girl is pregnant or has ever been impregnated in game is because pregnancy would be kind of a big deal and the expecting girl would be using every single opportunity to come out with that news.

No opportunity? Did you miss the non-optional creampie in Prisoner?

As for hint -- while Ayane didn't come out and say it, Sensei had literally just given her a reason to NOT say it in Nevermind, including a not-so-veiled threat. But she was definitely playing "say you're pregnant without saying you're pregnant," even going so far as to say that she's just going to hint at it repeatedly until he figures it out.

Hell, Maya even figured it out, as she makes clear in the beginning of Before the Sun Comes Up
There was that, but a creampie isn't an automatic impregnation, even in games. I agree there might be something she wants to tell him, but I disagree that it is pregnancy. I would also bring up Maya not having said anything outright, but I do get why she wouldn't or at least one reason why not, because it would ultimately be Ayane's news to break IF she was pregnant. It could even be based on a false positive, which are a thing as rare as they are.

Pot, meet kettle.
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I have yet to see a clear indication of any girl finding out they are pregnant, of which there are multiple possible candidates, including Ayane. There's a possibility, I won't argue that, especially when she's one of the most sexually active girls in the main cast, but I think it's only that at this time. I need more evidence than the game has provided thus far OR an outright admittance from someone who knows the news, whether Ayane herself breaks it or another girl who knows Ayane won't tell him after what he said, to confirm it.
 
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Ayane was absolutely pregnant before the third reset and I will bet you any amount of money on this.

* The impregnation probably took place at the very start of that loop, in Patent-Pending -- Prisoner was in the previous loop and is a missable event that not everyone will get, but Patent-Pending is a 100% mandatory event with creampie.
* During the loop Ayane has weird food cravings, mood swings, and times of "feeling unwell" and canceling plans, which other people comment on
* Pregnancy comments take a dramatic tick upwards from her
* She has a couple of emotional breakdowns about her mother and the concept of motherhood, like on the walk with Sana in the park
* She mentions that there's something she needs to talk with Sensei about
* She calls Sensei to talk on the night of the reset and says that soon she's going to need "a lot more attention" from Sensei
* During the reset she makes it to the roof. Sensei asks Maya why she was able to get there and Maya says that she has an idea but it's so disgusting she doesn't want to say it.
* After the reset, when Sensei goes to talk to her at her dorm, she says that she has forgotten whatever it was that she needed to talk to Sensei about, and the scene ends with her saying that her stomach hurts.
* During the post-reset Ayane scene, and nowhere else in the game, on her whiteboard is a poem about how beautiful a new baby is when viewed by its mother and how beautiful the mother is when viewed by the baby, in hex. null125 quoted it above.

Come on, guys, this one wasn't even very subtle.
 
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