Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

barglenarglezous · Nov 4, 2023

Tenzai said:
Someone tell me because I don't have time to read every post in the thread. How do y'all come up with the names of the Gods and who they're messing with? I know there's Hope, Angel 1 & 2, Wire, but there's more? Where was Callous or the P one mentioned? I haven't missed an event and I thought I paid attention, but I don't remember these two. Unless one of them was the one doing the trivia show during one of the resets. The girl that helped Ayane get over her fear of Ami hasn't been named but I think y'all call her Daisy, right? I wish I had more time to be active in this thread to read everyone's takes and keep up with the entire story completely. Forgive me if anything I asked or said is stupid. I think this just goes deeper than most stories I've played/read/watched and that's why I haven't analyzed it fully or can't keep up.

Mystery shapeshifter girl is alternately called Daisy or Himawarii depending on which one of us is speaking (Himawarii meaning sunflower, the flower that's repeated most often in game, and we're told she's named after Sensei's favorite flower).

There are three gods. Each of them has been given a C word to describe them (Callous, Calm, Concerned).

Nozomu was the Callous one, but he's dead. Sort of. HOPE seems to be taking his place.
Wire is the Calm one, and may also be dead, or at least dying.
Peredolia is the Concerned one, and introduced himself in one of the happy events in late chapter 2/early 3 (can't remember). He's been talking to us for a while -- whenever the narrator speaks only in lower case, that's Peredolia. I can't remember if his formal introduction was in late Chapter 2 or early Chapter 3, but it was in a happy scene from that period, and he's talked to us quite a bit since then. He's warned us an all-new season (Spring) is approaching.

Tenzai · Nov 4, 2023

barglenarglezous said:
Mystery shapeshifter girl is alternately called Daisy or Himawarii depending on which one of us is speaking (Himawarii meaning sunflower, the flower that's repeated most often in game, and we're told she's named after Sensei's favorite flower).

There are three gods. Each of them has been given a C word to describe them (Callous, Calm, Concerned).

Nozomu was the Callous one, but he's dead. Sort of. HOPE seems to be taking his place.
Wire is the Calm one, and may also be dead, or at least dying.
Peredolia is the Concerned one, and introduced himself in one of the happy events in late chapter 2/early 3 (can't remember). He's been talking to us for a while -- whenever the narrator speaks only in lower case, that's Peredolia. I can't remember if his formal introduction was in late Chapter 2 or early Chapter 3, but it was in a happy scene from that period, and he's talked to us quite a bit since then. He's warned us an all-new season (Spring) is approaching.

Thanks for explaining and not jumping on me. I think I remember the sunflower being Sensei's favorite and her being named after it now that you mention it.
Where was Nozomu talked about? Did the Gods get the C words describing them in events? I'll go replay those events to get a better understanding if so.
I thought Wire was the one pulling some strings since there is a User1 and User2. I figured it was like HOPE and wire fighting to control Sensei's blackouts or something. Guess I was way off. Is it mentioned anywhere that Wire is dead/dying? I know HOPE hasn't popped up in what seems like a while. HOPE is Yasu's God and she said Sensei was like turned away but could come back if I remember their last conversation correctly.
I'll have to go back and read those Happy Events then.

barglenarglezous · Nov 4, 2023

Tenzai said:
Thanks for explaining and not jumping on me. I think I remember the sunflower being Sensei's favorite and her being named after it now that you mention it.
Where was Nozomu talked about? Did the Gods get the C words describing them in events? I'll go replay those events to get a better understanding if so.
I thought Wire was the one pulling some strings since there is a User1 and User2. I figured it was like HOPE and wire fighting to control Sensei's blackouts or something. Guess I was way off. Is it mentioned anywhere that Wire is dead/dying? I know HOPE hasn't popped up in what seems like a while. HOPE is Yasu's God and she said Sensei was like turned away but could come back if I remember their last conversation correctly.
I'll have to go back and read those Happy Events then.

The C words are not directly assigned to the gods. Sometimes, the word is just used as a pronoun, or the game will throw the words out, and there are some clues that lead us to conclude which one applies to which god. A lot of it came from the Life of Prizes puzzle, where at one point you're asked to choose a C word, and later in the puzzle you open a book, and the text of the book is based on which word you chose, and each points to things associated with that particular god. So we have to piece things together, which can be hell for people who aren't good at puzzles, and is probably an absolute nightmare for non-native English speakers who aren't fluent enough to catch a lot of the nuance.

HOPE has been around -- I think the last time he spoke to us was when he made Yasu speak in tongues. HOPE as the speaker can be identified by ALL CAPS text.

All signs point to the Wire god being associated with the ramen shop, and Tsuneyo's father in particular. Immediately prior to the fifth reset, Tsuneyo excuses herself by saying the shop's neighbors have complained about a smell coming from the shop. The whole amusement park date, she was acting like she was trying to avoid confronting the fact that he was dead. I, personally, am interpreting that as the wire god also dying. It hasn't been explicitly stated (the game rarely explicitly states anything)

k1n5l4y3r · Nov 4, 2023

In the event "Rewrite" it tells the tale of how Nozomu created the universe.
In the happy event "Trinity Pt.III: Non Est Deus" it talks about how the first god has a lot of eyes and the second doesn't have any, but makes it up by having wires.

Apollo259 · Nov 4, 2023

barglenarglezous said:
Mystery shapeshifter girl is alternately called Daisy or Himawarii depending on which one of us is speaking (Himawarii meaning sunflower, the flower that's repeated most often in game, and we're told she's named after Sensei's favorite flower).

There are three gods. Each of them has been given a C word to describe them (Callous, Calm, Concerned).

Nozomu was the Callous one, but he's dead. Sort of. HOPE seems to be taking his place.
Wire is the Calm one, and may also be dead, or at least dying.
Peredolia is the Concerned one, and introduced himself in one of the happy events in late chapter 2/early 3 (can't remember). He's been talking to us for a while -- whenever the narrator speaks only in lower case, that's Peredolia. I can't remember if his formal introduction was in late Chapter 2 or early Chapter 3, but it was in a happy scene from that period, and he's talked to us quite a bit since then. He's warned us an all-new season (Spring) is approaching.

Regarding "shapeshifter girl" being called Himawari we also have multiple instances of the name being mentioned. In reset 3 it is one of the names in the hexadecimal list. It says "I see things that no one else can. There is no answer." when you click on it. We also have multiple mentions of "Himawari co". And we see a sunflower turning into the "shapeshifter girl" in the "いないいない。。。ばあ" event.

There was probably more but that's all I can think of right now.

JelF547 · Nov 4, 2023

barglenarglezous said:
Mystery shapeshifter girl is alternately called Daisy or Himawarii depending on which one of us is speaking (Himawarii meaning sunflower, the flower that's repeated most often in game, and we're told she's named after Sensei's favorite flower).

Actualy, there is an excluded from replay monologue in the end of

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    q "So, what have we learned here today?"
    q "That the world is what we make of it? "
    q "That the gods and moons and such will only influence your life as much as you’ll allow them to?"
    q "Or that that there’s more going on behind the scenes than one could ever fit into a tiny little monologue?"
    q "I have so many questions for you."
    q "There are so many things I still have to learn."
    q "And sure as the sunshine, I’ll be watching you closely. "
    q "I just hope that, should we ever meet again, I’ll get to hold your hand."
    q "I regret not doing that as much I should have."
    q "But as I reflect upon my past regrets and force myself to come to terms with them in a whole slew of creative and interesting ways, I remember that your story has not yet ended."
    q "And that we still have a lot to talk about."
    q "But for now, I’ll close myself up and wait for the light to shine once more."

    scene black
    with dissolve4

    q "Forever yours—"
    q "Your little sunflower."

So "Himawary" version is proven

PS: having monologue in event, which is started from "pareidolia wants to connect" is a thing.

Apollo259 · Nov 4, 2023

I dont know if its intentional or jsut limitations of Ren'Py. But the replays missing things because they need flags set to true of false is quite a nuisance.

barglenarglezous · Nov 4, 2023

Apollo259 said:
I dont know if its intentional or jsut limitations of Ren'Py. But the replays missing things because they need flags set to true of false is quite a nuisance.

It's a little bit of both. There are ways to code around the limitation, if the dev wanted to.

But beyond that, some events officially end early, and anything after the instruction to end the event that plays as part of the event will never be playable in Replay, and Sel uses that quite a bit.

Wardtnaci · Nov 4, 2023