Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

Not sure that's what has everyone hung up, it's more that the game hasn't exactly been about making them worse, we haven't reached the dark part of the game supposedly, this is still the harem phase, if we were in the dark phase and this scene popped up i don't think anyone would be struggling with it in a narrative sense.

Has Sel flat-out said we're not in the Dark phase yet? Or are people still insisting we're still in the harem phase because there are still girls he hasn't fucked yet? Because that was an asinine argument when it was first put forward, and it's just as asinine now.

It's been pretty evident since Halloween that we're on a downhill slide, thematically, so pushing Io onto a death spiral doesn't feel out of place at all.

 

[JelF547]

The thing is though is that there really is a 'right' choice based on the information we have at hand, until the game is complete we can't know 100% but we've been punished before for missed scenes and the game makes a point multiple times about how our choices are just illusions and don't matter and the main one is simply that it's missed content, missing content, not different content, Selly doesn't split the game for A and B, there's just A or nothing, at most a comment on how we fucked up not choosing A. The only intelligent option for any player at this point in the game's development is to always assume the green path is the intended path until some evidence comes along to challenge that, and this latest Io scene is the first and only potential indicator for that possibility we have so far and as for making anything of it... we just have to wait and see.

Selebus told once that green path is about always taking worst possible decisions. As far as it likely obviously not correct, it is substantional.

Also, I am feeling a bit lonely with my decision to not rape Io. I made it more out of curiosity though, I expected that there is no actual choise at all

 

[AgumenticR]

Has Sel flat-out said we're not in the Dark phase yet? Or are people still insisting we're still in the harem phase because there are still girls he hasn't fucked yet? Because that was an asinine argument when it was first put forward, and it's just as asinine now.

It's been pretty evident since Halloween that we're on a downhill slide, thematically, so pushing Io onto a death spiral doesn't feel out of place at all.

The Dark-Dark route starts after Chapter 5 by the recentish word of Sel.

 

[Bingoogus]

Selebus told once that green path is about always taking worst possible decisions. As far as it likely obviously not correct, it is substantional.

Well that can't be true, being a bad homie causes you to miss scenes and i'd find it very easy to argue being a bad homie is the worst choice to make.

 

[Moonflare]

Well that can't be true, being a bad homie causes you to miss scenes and i'd find it very easy to argue being a bad homie is the worst choice to make.

Scenes or events? I thought bad homie only changed dialogue (you get to kiss Rin if you're a good homie, but that's just a scene within an event). For instance, in this update we find out what happens with the trading nudes choice with Otoha (amazing outcome btw). But the event happens regardless.

Edit: I think it would be cool if at the end of LiL there was a counter of how much of a jackass Akira was when he had a choice, and that unlocked a secret choice at the end or something. But that's probably my rpg mentality at play here.

 

[barglenarglezous]

The Dark-Dark route starts after Chapter 5 by the recentish word of Sel.

Thank you.

So we're descending into it, rather than free falling.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

Thank you.

So we're descending into it, rather than free falling.

I prefer to think of it as sinking.

 

[AgumenticR]

Well that can't be true, being a bad homie causes you to miss scenes and i'd find it very easy to argue being a bad homie is the worst choice to make.

I think Sel said a while ago that """"canon"""" route, the one Akira as a character in his head would go down to, is 100% except bad homie, but it was a while ago.

Scenes or events? I thought bad homie only changed dialogue (you get to kiss Rin if you're a good homie, but that's just a scene within an event). For instance, in this update we find out what happens with the trading nudes choice with Otoha (amazing outcome btw). But the event happens regardless.

You lose some events, yes.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Well that can't be true, being a bad homie causes you to miss scenes and i'd find it very easy to argue being a bad homie is the worst choice to make.

What event is missed on the Bad Homie route?

 

[Moonflare]

You lose some events, yes.

Thanks.

What event is missed on the Bad Homie route?

just checked, it's "I died with you" and "the happiest girl in the world".

 

[JelF547]

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[JackZero]

Imani event was very cute. Good for replenishing sanity after the green thing incident.

 

[Moonflare]

btw, we've talked a lot about the Io stuff already, but what happened still was, at the very least, not as bad as what could have happened. What no one has said anything about yet is regarding Imani, and I personally was not expecting that fucked up ass story.

Like, I was uncomfortable about the Io scene obviously, but somehow the Imani stuff made me feel worse? (maybe cause I was anticipating the Io stuff but not the Imani one), and it's sort of unexpected because not only we didn't watch it happen, but she even skipped the most disgusting parts, and I still was fucked in the head after it.

I don't even know what to say about it. Maybe there's nothing to say after all. I really liked the update overall, but now that I think about it there's a lot of fucked up extremely dark shit in it.

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[OnlyHeStandsThere]

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choice wasn't that hard for me as I don't like her anyway. So enjoy your despair I guess. Rin also showing why shes one of the best girls in the game. Though I wish she wasn't blonde now.

 

[korendrd]

I believe the Haruka event is activated by visiting Haruka at the Koi Cafe on Saturday Morning. The Rin event follows immediately after. I got this after getting every other event.

I got Haruka/Rin before Futaba, so one is not a prereq for the other.

 

[Bingoogus]

I wonder if that Noriko scene was just Nao being Nao or if it's setup for Noriko being the one to restore Maya Prime... and maybe the experience will lead to her to the roof and joining the RAS...

 

[JelF547]

I wonder if that Noriko scene was just Nao being Nao or if it's setup for Noriko being the one to restore Maya Prime... and maybe the experience will lead to her to the roof and joining the RAS...

Why couldn't it be both? Also, Noriko is in kind of ideal position to be literally sacrificed, and we do known that to return someone we should sacrifice somebody of equal value. In a roundabout way, her value is equal to Maya's

 

[Lux Perpetua]

Well, that was painful and disturbing to read.
Didn't get this big idea of fuck/borderline rape a girl into loving sex. Hard to guess how their relationship will continue to develop, given how different consequences both choices lead to. So far the game hasn't seemed particularly variable, so the consequences of the choices should lead to a close outcome?

 

[OnlyHeStandsThere]

Disappointed

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[notproudofbeinghere]

Bro, this second event of Io, in my opinion, doesn't make any narrative sense because how the hell is her story going to develop now? In my opinion, it would make a lot more sense to leave there than for this to happen, especially knowing her trauma, it doesn't make sense, Selly thinks you can cure a victim of sexual abuse with sex. This event only served to screw Io and Akira's heads even more and make many more people stop wanting 100% of the game. There's a quote from Akira and Maya that says, “Sometimes forcing people to do things they're not comfortable with is the best way to get them forward.” BUT THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE IO, so it doesn't make any sense, I swear I'm trying to understand Selly, but it seems like he got lost in this part because if he tries to make Io start liking sex just for the sake of it , it's going to be the most pointless thing in the world, so I'm still trying to understand what crazy plan Selly is trying to make for Io's story because what he did in this event doesn't make sense for things to progress in the future

I've never seen anyone lose the point of an scene this bad before. The whole fucking scene has this puke inducing atmosphere all tied to it, you literally see a man showing love through the only way he knows thanks to his broken state of mind, constantly trying to make another broken person to enjoy it as well because he literally doesn't fucking knows another way, he is confused the whole time, he can't even understand the situation he is in, all fucking points to the fact that You. Fucking. Can't. Deal with this shit trough sex in such a tragic spot, and you still find your way to say Sel thinks you can cure SA trauma with happy lovey dovey sex.

It's literally to sides of the same spectrum colliding, one that sees sex as the only coping mechanism and the only way to show affection, and other that is totally adverse to the idea, yet indulges because in it's rotten mind, it's the way things are, she literally tells him that "that's why she is there".

And it's even crazier to me when this whole fucking update constantsly reminds the reader how Sensei views sex and what does it mean for him in relationships with the ones he loves. I'm really sorry if I sound like I'm making a big deal about it but seriously what the fuck?