Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[jamyong]

I actually do disagree somewhat, I feel like some diversity in events adds a lot of character to the game. It means our choices have a small amount of impact on the story and plot of the game and I very much appreciate that. That's not to say the games is without its problems, It certainly has a few, but I don't think have consequences to some choices is one of them.

I don't really mind being able to miss events either but I do wish that since the game is designed that way, more events that aren't necessarily crucial to the story would be possible to be missed too. Certain lust events being tied to main story progression is pretty annoying. It's also annoying that the goodhomie/badhomie and yumiknows paths are both tied to Chika and rely on Sensei doing things in a particular order, but then there's nothing really like that for anyone else

 

[Bingoogus]

I actually do disagree somewhat

As i said, "you won't find much disagreement". I am well aware there are still people outside of the discord that support this way of doing things, even i don't mind some of the more controversial choices, i just have a strong hatred for shit like this not being telegraphed properly and the dev's attitude to that being nothing more than "sucks to be you". If the only way to play your game 'right' and see all scenes requires you to go outside the game to learn of the traps and pitfalls then your game needs better telegraphing. I mean, seriously, where in the game does it say you should talk to Yumi before going to the onsen with Chika? I could happily accept it being a natural consequence of just playing the game but then it should trigger a full alternate scene, not lead to a crossed out missed scene, that's a shitty result from purely innocent, natural gameplay.

 

[Axismundi]

It's also annoying that the goodhomie/badhomie and yumiknows paths are both tied to Chika and rely on Sensei doing things in a particular order, but then there's nothing really like that for anyone else

It is weird that both major events that affect the story are tied to chika, and if I remember right the game actually tells you to visit yumi before the hot springs event But if you follow the games advice you missed the new lude scene that just happened so I definitely see your point.

 

[Bingoogus]

and if I remember right the game actually tells you to visit yumi before the hot springs event

It actually does? When/where/how? I have no memory of it and cannot imagine how it would go, it's been a very very long time since that part of the game was the new toy on the playground.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It actually does? When/where/how? I have no memory of it and cannot imagine how it would go, it's been a very very long time since that part of the game was the new toy on the playground.

IIRC, Sensei's internal monologue suggests it.

 

[Bingoogus]

IIRC, Sensei's internal monologue suggests it.

Bleh, well i retract my previous complaint regarding the yumiknows flag being completely invisible.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Bleh, well i retract my previous complaint regarding the yumiknows flag being completely invisible.

There's every possibility I may be conflating it with something else (possibly the beach trip with Makoto and Miku). My memory is shit these days, and I'm still rebuilding my save file after I overwrote the old one like a dumbass. I guess I'll find out when i get to that point (again)

 

[Bingoogus]

There's every possibility I may be conflating it with something else (possibly the beach trip with Makoto and Miku). My memory is shit these days, and I'm still rebuilding my save file after I overwrote the old one like a dumbass. I guess I'll find out when i get to that point (again)

Cool, @ me if you do see it, i prefer not to spout bullshit and instead know the truth about things.

 

[AgumenticR]

Bingoogus The exact quote is:

"Congratulations! You can now go on a special trip with Chika!"
"Things like this might happen every once in a while because you’re a super awesome, super likable guy who lights up the room just by walking in."
"To go on this trip, call Chika in the morning."
"But, before that, you might want to pay her roommate a visit."

then it should trigger a full alternate scene,

It does, though. Yumi just saying "fuck off" to blackmail and storming off was a great alternate scene. Really scratched that "why don't they just explain things" urge that appears every time I see the blackmail trope in fiction. Just because it doesn't explicitly replace the crossed-out event doesn't make it non-existent.

But if you follow the games advice you missed the new lude scene that just happened so I definitely see your point.

Hm? It's the other way around. If you get "Abyss" before onsen trip, yumiknows is set to false and thus you get "Things That Hurt".

 

[Bingoogus]

The exact quote is:

Thank you kindly.

It does, though.

It does but not in the way i mean, like, yes it's an alternate 'scene' but it's essentially just an off-ramp to the scene, you end up with a red crossed-out missed scene in the replay screen rather than a full alternate version of the same scene. Like, mechanically i found that off-ramp mini-scene really satisfying, (go Yumi!), but i was pissed it led to a strikethrough on the following scene and cause Selebus is a monumental troll, you just know any missed scene is going to become a problem at some point like badhomie did, even the quote you quoted says you should talk to Yumi first, those who didn't are going to wish they had at some point.

 

[AgumenticR]

you just know any missed scene is going to become a problem at some point like badhomie did

That is a very arguable conclusion. I mean, yeah, Yumi knowing about the extent of Sensei's relationship with Chika probably will cause complications for his relationship with the former - there is a reason I avoid it on my save - but that's not because a scene was missed, it's because Yumi knows about the extent of Sensei's relationship with Chika. For example, not fucking Haruka might well be "better", even though it misses a bunch of events.

 

[Bingoogus]

That is a very arguable conclusion. I mean, yeah, Yumi knowing about the extent of Sensei's relationship with Chika probably will cause complications for his relationship with the former - there is a reason I avoid it on my save - but that's not because a scene was missed, it's because Yumi knows about the extent of Sensei's relationship with Chika. For example, not fucking Haruka might well be "better", even though it misses a bunch of events.

Well, of course it might be, but we have no way to know, all we have to measure this stuff is events being flagged as missed and the fact that Selebus is completely unsympathetic to people just wanting to play the game and not have their time wasted by missing some tiny but crucial details buried in the long monologues of philosophical fluff. I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong to make his game this way but for those of us who just want to enjoy the game and not get tripped up we have to work with what we have and thus missed scenes have to be assumed to be bad news, whether they turn out to be or not. Until it is otherwise revealed to be a false assumption to make, it's the safest choice.

 

[theblasbla]

GOOD GOD, that Haruka scene. I usually dislike "poetry" with my NTR(if you know what I mean), but I certainly do enjoy this actual poetry.

It was beautiful. Exhilarating.

Edit: Just did a morning visit to Haruka at the cafe right afterwards, and I have to say the attention to detail is impressive.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Well, of course it might be, but we have no way to know, all we have to measure this stuff is events being flagged as missed and the fact that Selebus is completely unsympathetic to people just wanting to play the game and not have their time wasted by missing some tiny but crucial details buried in the long monologues of philosophical fluff. I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong to make his game this way but for those of us who just want to enjoy the game and not get tripped up we have to work with what we have and thus missed scenes have to be assumed to be bad news, whether they turn out to be or not. Until it is otherwise revealed to be a false assumption to make, it's the safest choice.

Selebus is just enough of a troll that the red strikethrough may be the optimal path and we don't know it yet.

The playthrough I'm working on now was intended to be a bad homie/yumi knows/good uncle playthrough, but it got saved over my old save before any of those decisions were made. I still intend to maintain both saves, one with all content available and one making the "bad" choices (the ones that lock away content), because I'm curious to see what the long-term ramifications of those decisions are. IIRC, Selebus is STILL writing alt-dialogue for Bad Homie, and he's not gonna go through that effort if it's not relevant somehow.

 

[jamyong]

Ami's event "Heaven for Human Blood" has left me a bit confused. Iirc, this is the first time we've seen Ami act like this, where it seems like her and Sensei are in a happy event but they're both fully conscious. I wonder how/if that ties into anything in some way or has any greater ramifications. She has crossed out lines about wanting to talk about wires and what happens after we die, and then she goes on this tangent about Sensei having never tutored Maya and that maybe someone is manipulating his memories.. and it's all just so weird.

I'm curious what the common interpretation for this event is. I noticed that in the wiki, there is no actual event description for it, but it does make note that the event title and the alternative title for if you miss it are both references to William Blake's poem 'Auguries of Innocence'. I'm not really sure what to make of all of that. Maya and Noriko both confirm that Sensei tutored her, and I'm pretty sure that future events have confirmed that as well, so how would Maya have gotten acquainted with Ami if not through Sensei? And why did they hide their knowledge of each other from Ami? Was is just because they were in a relationship? But then even passed that, where does Maya even come from? And also, what might Ami be referencing when she suggest that something bad might have happened to Sensei that he was hiding from her? Perhaps it was him getting Maya pregnant?

So many questions lol. This event really creeped me the fuck out and made me question a lot of things about the story that I thought I was beginning to truly figure out now that I'm on my second playthrough.

 

[BlackDays]

Ami's event "Heaven for Human Blood" has left me a bit confused. Iirc, this is the first time we've seen Ami act like this, where it seems like her and Sensei are in a happy event but they're both fully conscious. I wonder how/if that ties into anything in some way or has any greater ramifications. She has crossed out lines about wanting to talk about wires and what happens after we die, and then she goes on this tangent about Sensei having never tutored Maya and that maybe someone is manipulating his memories.. and it's all just so weird.

I'm curious what the common interpretation for this event is. I noticed that in the wiki, there is no actual event description for it, but it does make note that the event title and the alternative title for if you miss it are both references to William Blake's poem 'Auguries of Innocence'. I'm not really sure what to make of all of that. Maya and Noriko both confirm that Sensei tutored her, and I'm pretty sure that future events have confirmed that as well, so how would Maya have gotten acquainted with Ami if not through Sensei? And why did they hide their knowledge of each other from Ami? Was is just because they were in a relationship? But then even passed that, where does Maya even come from? And also, what might Ami be referencing when she suggest that something bad might have happened to Sensei that he was hiding from her? Perhaps it was him getting Maya pregnant?

So many questions lol. This event really creeped me the fuck out and made me question a lot of things about the story that I thought I was beginning to truly figure out now that I'm on my second playthrough.

Assumption (but good one i guess):
Because Ami is jealouse.
When they were rotting away in their apartment, she took care of Sensei, although she felt just as bad.

For what ever reason (maybe once i knew), Sensei starts tutoring Maya and Noriko.
I guess it was mainly because of Maya, but also doing something again, that made Sensei starting to feel better.
Ami realised that Sensei got better and that it wasn't her caring alone or at all anymore.
And so, out of jealousy, she "decides" that the tutoring never happened and Sensei felt better alone by her taking care of him.

 

[Hohohohohoohohohno]

Can somebody share me some save?

 

[buff]

So yeah, what do you guys think? I just fear that Selebus will just fuck us over and never give definitive answers in the end so we will just keep theorizing for the rest of our lives.

I don't think he will do that on purpose. He's making good money and turning out a great product and he works hard as hell, if he was a milker he wouldn't be releasing big-ass updates twice a month.

It is entirely possible something will eventually piss him off enough to quit though. I sure as hell hope not. And of course in something that takes year of real time, RL events could certainly intervene and make him stop working.

 

[iebb03]

Ami's event "Heaven for Human Blood" has left me a bit confused. Iirc, this is the first time we've seen Ami act like this, where it seems like her and Sensei are in a happy event but they're both fully conscious. I wonder how/if that ties into anything in some way or has any greater ramifications. She has crossed out lines about wanting to talk about wires and what happens after we die, and then she goes on this tangent about Sensei having never tutored Maya and that maybe someone is manipulating his memories.. and it's all just so weird.

I'm curious what the common interpretation for this event is. I noticed that in the wiki, there is no actual event description for it, but it does make note that the event title and the alternative title for if you miss it are both references to William Blake's poem 'Auguries of Innocence'. I'm not really sure what to make of all of that. Maya and Noriko both confirm that Sensei tutored her, and I'm pretty sure that future events have confirmed that as well, so how would Maya have gotten acquainted with Ami if not through Sensei? And why did they hide their knowledge of each other from Ami? Was is just because they were in a relationship? But then even passed that, where does Maya even come from? And also, what might Ami be referencing when she suggest that something bad might have happened to Sensei that he was hiding from her? Perhaps it was him getting Maya pregnant?

So many questions lol. This event really creeped me the fuck out and made me question a lot of things about the story that I thought I was beginning to truly figure out now that I'm on my second playthrough.

There's a lot that can be extracted from that event. When it first drop it seems like we were seeing a Happy event involving both Sensei and Ami, after the Ode to marsh warbler event added in the rework it's now clear that Ami know about sensei's delusional episodes, so maybe she was just trying to comfort him while also laying on him her new insecurities. Why does she says that Sensei never tutored Maya? I think she's just in negation about it as I suspect she probably learned about it from Noriko, and doesn't want to think of the implications of Sensei knowing Maya from before and both of them hiding it.

Going into tinfoil material, I have a theory that this Ami is not the real Ami or is being influenced/manipulated by Sekai. In the most recent reset during Lamb Legs we have a scene with a 'different' Ami telling us that she couldn't comunicated with us before. During the date with Ami just before the reset starts Sekai appears talking to Ami, and she also 'breaks' when reading a poem wrote by her mother.

 

[jamyong]

There's a lot that can be extracted from that event. When it first drop it seems like we were seeing a Happy event involving both Sensei and Ami, after the Ode to marsh warbler event added in the rework it's now clear that Ami know about sensei's delusional episodes, so maybe she was just trying to comfort him while also laying on him her new insecurities. Why does she says that Sensei never tutored Maya? I think she's just in negation about it as I suspect she probably learned about it from Noriko, and doesn't want to think of the implications of Sensei knowing Maya from before and both of them hiding it.

Going into tinfoil material, I have a theory that this Ami is not the real Ami or is being influenced/manipulated by Sekai. In the most recent reset during Lamb Legs we have a scene with a 'different' Ami telling us that she couldn't comunicated with us before. During the date with Ami just before the reset starts Sekai appears talking to Ami, and she also 'breaks' when reading a poem wrote by her mother.

Man reading that theory gives me chills. There certainly is something up with Ami, and up until recently I just presumed it was nothing more than the yandere overtones and severe trauma that affect her behavior. I just played through the Dorm Wars event chain again and in the The Scary Room event where Maya sees a slideshow(?) and is about to be reset or whatever, it's kinda clicking for me now that Ami has to be involved in the greater mystery of wtf is going on in this world.

I've read the theories that she's probably Sensei's daughter and all that, but I feel now that there has to be more of a connection with her and the three gods as well. I can't remember if it's happened yet, but I'd love to see some interaction between her and Yasu. I feel like she'd immediately point out some of the salient points about her place in the world.