zanpakuto14

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So I lost this thread, and found it by searching care packages. But apparently someone got in trouble for posting a care package with loli? Are all the care packages listed, or are the loli ones missing? Maybe i'm misunderstanding something. Is there a way of knowing what the care packages are?
 

barglenarglezous

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Ironically though, I'd still consider Noriko's love "healthier".
Noriko's also had a lifetime of coping with the fact that Niki will never let Akira go completely, so the best Noriko can ever get is a share, and by the time she enters the events in the story, she's already had years to come to terms with that.

Ayane has none of that. Her entire experience with Akira prior to the school year is that Akira has three girls in his life outside of the classroom, his neice, who of course will never be a romantic rival, Maya, who appears to not want to be one, and Ayane. So Ayane is able to build this fantasy that she is the only one for him, only for it to be shattered once things start to develop in actuality, and Kirin forces her way into the bedroom, and she finds out about his present relationship with Ami and past relationship with Maya, etc. She's had no time to process this, we're literally watching that process play out in real time.

She also has the added baggage of a fear of abandonment. Her mother walked out on her, her father began ignoring her, and now she has to compete with literally every girl and woman with a face for affection from the man she's convinced herself she's fallen in love with. It's not just that Ayane and Akira's relationship isn't healthy, it's that Ayane can't have a healthy relationship at all right now. She needs a therapist, not a boyfriend.
 

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So I lost this thread, and found it by searching care packages. But apparently someone got in trouble for posting a care package with loli? Are all the care packages listed, or are the loli ones missing? Maybe i'm misunderstanding something. Is there a way of knowing what the care packages are?
https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-31-0-selebus.48158/post-10912232

It has nothing to do with loli of which most of them have some loli content as i understand it.
 

barglenarglezous

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But she's like 15 physically? Loli Maya would be wizard Maya, the Maya we see 98% of the time would be hebe/ephebe Maya. Although, from her own words, she's got a Claudia from Ann Rice's universe thing going on, feeling like a fully grown person stuck in a kids body.
Within the scope of this game, "loli" means wizard-age. Sel has loli, teen, and adult versions of each character model, or at least most of them.

By F95's definition (female character with an underdeveloped body), Ami, Sana, Maya, Yasu, and Molly would technically count as Loli, but not Rule 7 Loli. The Wizards would probably count as rule 7 loli if the game didn't go out of the way to establish that they're 5000 years old.
 

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Noriko's also had a lifetime of coping with the fact that Niki will never let Akira go completely, so the best Noriko can ever get is a share, and by the time she enters the events in the story, she's already had years to come to terms with that.

Ayane has none of that. Her entire experience with Akira prior to the school year is that Akira has three girls in his life outside of the classroom, his neice, who of course will never be a romantic rival, Maya, who appears to not want to be one, and Ayane. So Ayane is able to build this fantasy that she is the only one for him, only for it to be shattered once things start to develop in actuality, and Kirin forces her way into the bedroom, and she finds out about his present relationship with Ami and past relationship with Maya, etc. She's had no time to process this, we're literally watching that process play out in real time.

She also has the added baggage of a fear of abandonment. Her mother walked out on her, her father began ignoring her, and now she has to compete with literally every girl and woman with a face for affection from the man she's convinced herself she's fallen in love with. It's not just that Ayane and Akira's relationship isn't healthy, it's that Ayane can't have a healthy relationship at all right now. She needs a therapist, not a boyfriend.
To add on to all of that, like the rest of the first floor, Ayane's mind is presumably rationalizing all the other Senseis that have come and gone as well. Maya more or less acknowledged this before:
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The first floor have all been influenced by past versions of modern Sensei, which is likely why the first floor is more dependent on and accepting of the things Sensei does. They've more or less been groomed for countless years without realizing it. Compare Otoha to Rin for example.

Ayane especially seems like she'd be canon fodder for all the past Senseis who treated this world as a game. This Sensei seems to be perhaps the only version that actually cares about her, and even then, not really that much imo.
 
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In retrospect, this is probably foreshadowing what might happen to Maya in the dark phase:
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Albeit, it might just be alluding to what's already happened before.
I think it's both. "Happy events are flashbacks with warped perception" is strong theory, but there is no reason to not repeat them
 
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It indeed does happen before (in terms of chronological ingame event occuring). The crucifixion happy event leads to the 1st reset, and the event with the Maya text i pulled happens after the 1st reset. Another funny thing from that event is that Sensei passingly mentions Maya resetting the world to Ami, which she kinda just shrugs off and Maya just shoots him a deadly glare. In retrospect, that could've gone a lot worse...
 

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Suddenly, we are at the very beginning of "Maya is not a bitch" theory
I kinda hope she turns out to be evil so I can stop feeling so bad for her. My Psycho Maya theory is mostly wishful thinking, the alternative is just depressing.
 

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I kinda hope she turns out to be evil so I can stop feeling so bad for her. My Psycho Maya theory is mostly wishful thinking, the alternative is just depressing.
I think, in the end no one main or side character could be considered evil. This game is about traumas which almost break characters, but not break them to the point of no return. Not about evil characters who grow up to be a good persons or something like this. This "evil X" theories are more about "Tyler Durden" identities than about "true" identities. I am not speaking here for characters like Hope or Sekai, they are just setup. And wouldn't it be more depressing, if Psycho Maya exists due to another trauma and real Maya hates her?

Also, the more depressing something is, than more likely it is actualy so. We are (still) here to suffer after all

Edit: I should mention Kirin as counter-example of this, but it is not like we need two Kirins
 
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DeSkel15

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Suddenly, we are at the very beginning of "Maya is not a bitch" theory
Eh, I personally think Maya is more of an ass than a bitch. Except when it comes to Noriko, then she's a cunt. However, I tend to have my own definitions for words.

Yumi is more of bitch, imo. Same with Nodoka, Io, and Kirin. Albeit, Kirin was a cunt to Ayane and is more or less one to Karin. Kirin's also a dick, and a prick which is like a cunt except for fun.

Words!
 
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