Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[JelF547]

Chapter 3 is the longest in term of words right?

820k vs 884k chapter 2. Chapter 1 was 582k before 0.24 (based on official changelog info)

Idk if it is because of the pathing of the game or because most of the story now is told through chain-link events, but it felt like the shortest (and is not because it was the best, because for me is actually the worst)

According to my measurements, 0.1.0 - 0.6.0 was as eventfull as 0.7.0-0.16.0, and since 0.17.0 there were less important events, than in 0.1.0-0.6.0. I still need to update underlying model, because it does not feels like this, but there is major loss of pace since 3rd reset anyways

 

[GSwole]

820k vs 884k chapter 2. Chapter 1 was 582k before 0.24 (based on official changelog info)


According to my measurements, 0.1.0 - 0.6.0 was as eventfull as 0.7.0-0.16.0, and since 0.17.0 there were less important events, than in 0.1.0-0.6.0. I still need to update underlying model, because it does not feels like this, but there is major loss of pace since 3rd reset anyways

3rd to 4th reset was a lot of focus on subplots and less linear in terms of the main story and plot development which is why you'd feel that way

 

[JelF547]

3rd to 4th reset was a lot of focus on subplots and less linear in terms of the main story and plot development which is why you'd feel that way

I am measuring character development, not main story / plot development. There is problem that the deeper we are in character stories than less it could be measured by formal metrics, but it feels safe to compare first floor development during first chapter and second floor development during second and third chapter

 

[seshomeru1]

The author talks so much about hating ntr, so why would he have the best girl lose her first kiss to someone not us in the christmas event? Makes my heart so sad

 

[DeSkel15]

Now that I think of, the Casca think did actually happened huh

More or less. I was prepared for far worse to be honest. Probably why last update didn't hit as hard for me as it did for others. Paper City even had me more nostalgic than sad.

Blacksouls may have broke me lol.

 

[DeSkel15]

The author talks so much about hating ntr, so why would he have the best girl lose her first kiss to someone not us in the christmas event? Makes my heart so sad

Sel wants us to suffer. Pseudo NTR is just one way to accomplish this. Sel dislikes it because it's effective.

I struggle to see this game ending well for those wanting the girls to be theirs, tbh. Or ending well at all. At least in the "Happily Ever After" sense.

 

[Perniciousducks]

3rd to 4th reset was a lot of focus on subplots and less linear in terms of the main story and plot development which is why you'd feel that way

I find it’s a mixture of things. The game has become bogged down with recurring events, Halloween, Christmas, dorm wars, beach trip… not to mention resets. All of these events barely push anything forward and result in a huge chunk of the updates just devoted to wheel spinning.

On top of that the updates being devoted to a set number of characters each getting a set number of events regardless of how much he wants to move that plot along results in countless events of basically filler.

And there are just too many characters. He wants a slow burn with most of them, and you couple that with a game of thrones size cast and well, it can be years before a character you may have been invested in is more than a background character.

I think this game would feel less tedious if he limited the recurring events to 2 a year and the character updates wouldn’t thes 3-4 girls get 3-4 events. Instead just have 9-12 events or whatever the update average is where they could all be the same or all be different girls based on what story is actually worth telling. But as one of the stated purposes of the game is to waste player time, that seems unlikely.

 

[GSwole]

I find it’s a mixture of things. The game has become bogged down with recurring events, Halloween, Christmas, dorm wars, beach trip… not to mention resets. All of these events barely push anything forward and result in a huge chunk of the updates just devoted to wheel spinning.

On top of that the updates being devoted to a set number of characters each getting a set number of events regardless of how much he wants to move that plot along results in countless events of basically filler.

And there are just too many characters. He wants a slow burn with most of them, and you couple that with a game of thrones size cast and well, it can be years before a character you may have been invested in is more than a background character.

I think this game would feel less tedious if he limited the recurring events to 2 a year and the character updates wouldn’t thes 3-4 girls get 3-4 events. Instead just have 9-12 events or whatever the update average is where they could all be the same or all be different girls based on what story is actually worth telling. But as one of the stated purposes of the game is to waste player time, that seems unlikely.

Going through update by update is what's going to kill your interest if you're only into the main story or a few character subplots. Molly didn't get anything for 1.5 years as an example. Unless you're paying I recommend you just look at this game every 6 months for a slew of updates rather than killing your interest on a slow burn.

 

[Perniciousducks]

Going through update by update is what's going to kill your interest if you're only into the main story or a few character subplots. Molly didn't get anything for 1.5 years as an example. Unless you're paying I recommend you just look at this game every 6 months for a slew of updates rather than killing your interest on a slow burn.

oh yeah, I play maybe twice a year, and it’s a grind to get through a lot of it. I’m curious where the story will go one day when Sel can be bothered to advance it. This whole last reset just felt like a mistake and wasting time since he didn’t pull the inevitable Maya trigger last time.

I can’t wait for the one event of consequence next update followed by mopey poetry. I can actually wait and will.

 

[Vizer007]

820k vs 884k chapter 2. Chapter 1 was 582k before 0.24 (based on official changelog info)


According to my measurements, 0.1.0 - 0.6.0 was as eventfull as 0.7.0-0.16.0, and since 0.17.0 there were less important events, than in 0.1.0-0.6.0. I still need to update underlying model, because it does not feels like this, but there is major loss of pace since 3rd reset anyways

Let's not forget that, pretty much, 1/3rd of all the content is sensei rumbling in his mind some useless thoughts that dont move story even slightly, which I, personally, skip for a while now.

 

[throwawaysponge]

Deskel gave me the thinky react that means my unhinged post has value owo. (For legal reasons that's a joke)

Geuninely I think it's simply then responding to their already established notion(ages ago they said so somewhere?) that they don't wish to write branching paths anymore? They want to just present a huge singular storyline regardless of the fact they already made all these branching path things and doesn't want to upset any patrons who enjoy them? (they would rather write just a genuine VN without sandbox aspects?)

IDK how real those responses are but tbf I like the sandbox shit even if i'm been playing stuff recently that took me300+ days to progress a character. I like everything that LiL has given me from it's conception and quite frankly i can't imagine changes anymore?

 

[DeSkel15]

Deskel gave me the thinky react that means my unhinged post has value owo. (For legal reasons that's a joke)

Geuninely I think it's simply then responding to their already established notion(ages ago they said so somewhere?) that they don't wish to write branching paths anymore? They want to just present a huge singular storyline regardless of the fact they already made all these branching path things and doesn't want to upset any patrons who enjoy them? (they would rather write just a genuine VN without sandbox aspects?)

IDK how real those responses are but tbf I like the sandbox shit even if i'm been playing stuff recently that took me300+ days to progress a character. I like everything that LiL has given me from it's conception and quite frankly i can't imagine changes anymore?

Your "everyone might be an aspect of Maya" theory actually reminded me of my old "This might just be an effed up love story fabricated by Maya" theory.

Which I still haven't discarded, because Maya herself seems possibly fucked up enough to put a version of herself through hell and call it love. She's apparently aware of "Denpa" and likes dark and weird stories:

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To the point that Ami's response, when it came to the resets, was that Maya reads too many weird manga:

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Of course, Maya is likely just lying about the Rooftop since she thinks memories of her and Sensei seeing eachother up there like in 'Baby Finches' would break him.

Overall: It's not impossible that the characters we know are more like stereotypes of themselves that Maya added in to make her story more interesting. Possibly serving as shapeshifted alters or aspects of herself, similar to Long Maya and Moyo.

It's a theory that likely won't matter until Endgame, though.

Nevertheless, I still really want to know what's up with the Scary Maya Face:

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And AmIOkay Maya:

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and how exactly they came about.

 

[DeSkel15]

Also, the whole "False Moon" thing mentioned by Makoto(?):

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Has been on my mind as of late.

I'm assuming it's related to the 3 Moons mentioned by Nodoka:

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And to why Yasu could apparently only see 2:

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Overall: I have a few theories, but I definitely need more intel.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I find it’s a mixture of things. The game has become bogged down with recurring events, Halloween, Christmas, dorm wars, beach trip… not to mention resets. All of these events barely push anything forward and result in a huge chunk of the updates just devoted to wheel spinning.

On top of that the updates being devoted to a set number of characters each getting a set number of events regardless of how much he wants to move that plot along results in countless events of basically filler.

And there are just too many characters. He wants a slow burn with most of them, and you couple that with a game of thrones size cast and well, it can be years before a character you may have been invested in is more than a background character.

I think this game would feel less tedious if he limited the recurring events to 2 a year and the character updates wouldn’t thes 3-4 girls get 3-4 events. Instead just have 9-12 events or whatever the update average is where they could all be the same or all be different girls based on what story is actually worth telling. But as one of the stated purposes of the game is to waste player time, that seems unlikely.

I have a similar feeling for dorm wars.

Unlike actual holidays that are repetitive by nature and increasingly boring just like how they are irl, the dorm war is a fresh cute idea that gets overly used a little too much.

We have maybe one or two big moments in the 2nd and 3rd dorm wars, and the rest feels like fillers before the intended main course is served. Not to mention the actual impact of which floor wins for the recent wars really is MIA, putting the idea of a competition into a meh state (I probably can’t put blame on the 2nd war for this due to how it ended, but the 3rd one? meh)

I still enjoy these slices of life moments even though they really are wheel spinning, and I crave major strides in plots just as much as you do. But the hype for the wars itself for me is already gone; it’s just too similar to yet another trip or holiday they spend together, with a slight difference in how meaninglessly aggro and/or competitive they are toward each other.

 

[Apollo259]

Another thing pertaining to a Maya from this update. One of them was referred to as "THE PROTOTYPE"

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At least I assume it must be referring to a Maya. Following that assumption raises some questions in my mind as to the nature of all the messed up Mayas. Is someone/thing trying to make a new Maya? Is that how they all came to be? But if that were the case why is only one of them "THE PROTOTYPE"? And which one is it? Could it be our Maya?
Or maybe... maybe it could be whatever version of Maya we end up with after the reset?

Alternatively it might be referring to someone else. Who or what though, I don't have many ideas. The sort of Ami looking Sana from the puzzle event? That does not make much sense to me.

 

[Apollo259]

I have a similar feeling for dorm wars.

Unlike actual holidays that are repetitive by nature and increasingly boring just like how they are irl, the dorm war is a fresh cute idea that gets overly used a little too much.

We have maybe one or two big moments in the 2nd and 3rd dorm wars, and the rest feels like fillers before the intended main course is served. Not to mention the actual impact of which floor wins for the recent wars really is MIA, putting the idea of a competition into a meh state (I probably can’t put blame on the 2nd war for this due to how it ended, but the 3rd one? meh)

I still enjoy these slices of life moments even though they really are wheel spinning, and I crave major strides in plots just as much as you do. But the hype for the wars itself for me is already gone; it’s just too similar to yet another trip or holiday they spend together, with a slight difference in how meaninglessly aggro and/or competitive they are toward each other.

With the combo holiday/dorm wars being a thing. How long do you think it will be before Selebus goes mad and makes a dorm war X dorm war update.

 

[DeSkel15]

Another thing pertaining to a Maya from this update. One of them was referred to as "THE PROTOTYPE"

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At least I assume it must be referring to a Maya. Following that assumption raises some questions in my mind as to the nature of all the messed up Mayas. Is someone/thing trying to make a new Maya? Is that how they all came to be? But if that were the case why is only one of them "THE PROTOTYPE"? And which one is it? Could it be our Maya?
Or maybe... maybe it could be whatever version of Maya we end up with after the reset?

Alternatively it might be referring to someone else. Who or what though, I don't have many ideas. The sort of Ami looking Sana from the puzzle event? That does not make much sense to me.

Definitely leaning towards it referring to the new Maya. At least it seems like she'll be retaining her watermelon fetish, in her programming. (Unless fucking with the Melon fucked up the Prototype)

That sticky note being in only lower case, also possibly means it's from Pareidolia.

If I were to guess, it's probably wanting to replace Maya in order to keep Sensei "happy". And submissive.

 

[crustlord12]

I still enjoy these slices of life moments even though they really are wheel spinning, and I crave major strides in plots just as much as you do. But the hype for the wars itself for me is already gone; it’s just too similar to yet another trip or holiday they spend together, with a slight difference in how meaninglessly aggro and/or competitive they are toward each other.

I find it’s a mixture of things. The game has become bogged down with recurring events, Halloween, Christmas, dorm wars, beach trip… not to mention resets. All of these events barely push anything forward and result in a huge chunk of the updates just devoted to wheel spinning.

So, I think that these events happening with more and more frequency will actually get addressed in the game... there's a point where Akira says something along the lines of "wait, Christmas? Didn't we just have that?" where all these special events seem to be happening more and more quickly (DeSkel15 pls back me up with screenshots thank you).

I'd like to believe that this will be related to the various gods fighting each other for power, trying to wrest control back to themselves, thus sort of "speeding up" time? But at the same time, that might just be a convenient excuse for Sel to keep cramming these events in as well.

 

[o7Meh]

Could someone share an save with all of the events unlocked? And im using guide mod, not sure does it matter on the save

 

[DeSkel15]

So, I think that these events happening with more and more frequency will actually get addressed in the game... there's a point where Akira says something along the lines of "wait, Christmas? Didn't we just have that?" where all these special events seem to be happening more and more quickly (DeSkel15 pls back me up with screenshots thank you).

I'd like to believe that this will be related to the various gods fighting each other for power, trying to wrest control back to themselves, thus sort of "speeding up" time? But at the same time, that might just be a convenient excuse for Sel to keep cramming these events in as well.

Here you go:

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More or less, ever since that time skip to Beachmas, time has been out of whack.

Personally this speeding up of time, I think is likely related to why Pareidolia is becoming more involved, and why HOPE seemed to be getting desperate before simply dumping Sensei. Summer is over now. HOPE's season has passed and Sensei didn't take what he shouldn't. At least, he didn't take what HOPE seemed to want him to take: Sana.

HOPE even seemed to be making Sana extra horny just to speed things up. In retrospect, this might have been HOPE speaking:

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Hence the all caps.