THIS alone is why this game needs an ACTUAL walkthrough, not some screwed up guide that barely manages to actually provide useful information to further.
Because of the oh so complicated manner in which events, progress, and activities within the game are processed and supposedly made to happen; as much as I enjoyed this game, I must perforce stop playing it. once it becomes less complicated (if it ever does) I may be willing to give it another chance. Barring it becoming less complicated, the only other way I would even consider giving it another chance is if a true and thorough walkthrough is made and "published" for the game.
As I said, Good game except for its ridiculously complicated gameplay. Good luck on the game and I sincerely hope it succeeds in future.
No walkthrough used in my current run, no missed events. It is not actually needed, it helps, but it is entirely doable without one. That said, there are several resources already available both in the thread and in the game. That guide button isn't just for show.
It is NOT complicated at all, just follow three simple guidelines, do NOT focus on less than every girl in the game, do NOT do too much grinding on any one girl, and do NOT forget to read EVERYTHING in EVERY play through in case things are rewritten and important information is contained in the rewrite.
Honestly, I don't get why some people think this is so complicated. LiL is the second non-linear visual novel I've ever played, and I've been able to get all scenes without a walkthrough...
Anyone else feel that LiL isn't that complicating?
No, it really isn't, most issues come from people trying to get away with not doing girls they don't like on a route considered a general route that is not focused on any one girl or they try to skip text and miss something important like the answers to There Is Nothing.
I have played this from the beginning at least6 times, and on at least 4 of those times I attempted to use the Guide, Hints, event mod, etc, and STILL failed to complete all events, missed significant progress within the game, etc.
The guide, at least for me, is a joke that really tells nothing, the hints are so vague as to be useless, and the event tracker mod is nearly as useless. THAT is why I said this game needs a real and clear walkthrough (for peopl like me who do not have hours upon hours trying to figure out what triggers each and every event, girl's progress, and any other mysterious happenings within the game.This is not to say the game is a failure or not worth playing, but not everyone is able to figure out everything they need to do to advance the game.
I think the point of the vagueness is to avoid spoiling any actual story details, which is very easy to do in something like the guide or walkthrough if giving away the answers. The guide and walkthrough makers still want you to play the game while discovering as much of the story through the game itself as possible instead of spoiling it in the guide, after all. A clear walkthrough would threaten to spoil the whole thing.
I think mostly, as others have said, it's triggering specific events that I've found complicated at times. Mostly the happy events. And these can block progress with the main story, which led to me getting quite frustrated with it a few times. Now I just use the wiki while I play
It gets easier when you're caught up, because then it's pretty obvious which characters you have to focus on to progress the main story as you can follow the most recent changelog. But if you're far behind, it can feel all over the place in terms of where to go
As for the gameplay itself, it really isn't too difficult. I'm so glad it isn't filled with minigames or items for fetch quests etc. You can relax to the gameplay. It's just the event triggers that can be difficult
I'm not meaning to complain about the game though, just that's what I found personally
I mean the event triggers really end up being a non-issue if you follow these steps, do not grind too much on any girl, basically don't go more than two or three above necessary, and do not try to focus on any girl, make them as even as you can by alternating with every step. This means that every girl is at a point where they should be clear of any unlocking requirement.
I don't think I've ever seen someone say a VN has "ridiculously complicated gameplay" before.
Cause it's really not, you raise affection to a multiple of 5, you check a girl's dorm and hangout spot, and if nothing happens you move on to a different girl (wow that sound's bad out of context, but par for the course for Sensei I guess). It definitely doesn't take hours to figure out how to trigger the next thing.
Personally I've only really used the guide for two kinds of things: a couple HAPPY scenes, only two of which are actually missable, and figuring out how not to trigger the next big story section because I wanted to finish the character specific events first and it was too easy to accidentally trigger the story.
But hey, if that's all it takes for you to quit don't let me stop you.
Indeed, the exact opposite is true, it's too easy to trigger events. Then again, consequences are a thing in this game and adjusting would make it easier to avoid consequences while making the same choice that should lead to said consequences.
As for player Sensei, yep, that's exactly something he would do, which actually got a chuckle out of me with your comment, hence the laugh reaction.
