JohnnyRazer

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If you haven't read the rework, you haven't read the scene I'm talking about. Once you do, if you can't recognize that objectively, any artist airing such a personal grievance in such an unveiled and narrative-jarring way detracts from the artistic integrity of the work as a whole (sorry, "makes it worse", for those coming from the discord ;))... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It's amateurish, and not in the charming way that the game used to be amateurish. Saying something like "doing this one thing in particular is dumb" isn't going to lead to a "clusterfuck of dozens of contradicting opinions".
I'm really not a picky reader, but if what you say is true then probably even I will notice it. I'll be re-reading LiL from scratch in the following months, so I'm really curious to see if it's that badly misplaced, because previous ones were more or less moderate to me.

On the latter, I see your point and I most certainly don't want to say that expressing your critique or disapproval is bad or unnecessary, but there's not so much you can and should do to enforce your vision. Say your opinion, but after that it mostly falls on the developer's shoulders (or what's above them) to discern shitty ramblings from sound advices, and if he can't - well you tried, not your fault and no sense pushing further. He must know better than anyone what are the core ideas and principals of his work that no one should tamper with, and where he can compromise.

Of course it's from my little experience, but it's less painful to watch a dev who fails, but is true to himself and his vision. Something like "Yeah, I'm a dick, so what, like it or not, I'm not changing my ways". On the contrary it's really hard to watch soft good guys, who are overwhelmed by a million obscure requests, who answer to every whim of the community. Of course, these are two polars and life is somewhere in between, but I place Selebus closer to the first one. As I see it, despite his increasing toxicity (but who am I to judge lmao) and some questionable ingame moments, the base game and plot are the same and probably will be for some time. But I too don't like where this is going and can only hope that Sel knows when and where to stop - a rare quality in these days. I recall, that so far he managed, but today I was unpleasantly surprised.

Yes, it WOULD be silly to rely on their opinions for anything, but that's the kind of place this game would have to rely on for exposure to new players if this thread went away. Do you see my intention for sharing those posts now?
Eh, kinda yes, kinda no. Arguable. I think at this point LiL is fine on itself without much external advertisment. And probably even should be, because even this not very wide popularity brought a lot of trouble with Patreon, and I'm not sure I want to see what kind of misfortune can bring even wider recognition. But that's just me.

As for the idea of advertising games on 4ch - imo it's too much unpredictable due to its nature. Something might blow, but mostly not, and you have very little control over it. I think, intentional advertising there would more likely backfire you in the face (somewhat like it was with VNDB) and the idea of Selebus fighiting with anon mischiefs in addition to this f95 drama doesn't attract me.
 
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barglenarglezous

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i am not a pirate but it feels at some point instead of development he start only working on this care packages full year since i even not seeing his post of taking a break from development or roadmap it simple the sign that he slowly lose interest
He only comes here when he wants to throw shade at people who hang out here. He limits status updates to the Discord.

There IS a roadmap on the Discord for the next 5 updates.
 
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hcguy

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i am not a pirate but it feels at some point instead of development he start only working on this care packages full year since i even not seeing his post of taking a break from development or roadmap it simple the sign that he slowly lose interest
This is absolutely not true. Selebus pretty consistently delivers on his two week per update schedule, unless he a) is doing a particularly large update (like the last few updates, and the next one) where he goes to a one-per-month update, or b) he has something that he needs to devote other time to, such as his wedding and honeymoon, which is why there is a current delay. These are always communicated, and the next release will be 3/15, at which point he is going back to a every two weeks schedule.
 

ComplexOne2

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so after selebus's post he made I think like 2 other posts being a shit lord here and he also offered discounts on stuff apparently to come here and make fake accounts to flood the thread with moronic simping. (see the following quoted individual) the mods froze the thread and deleted (or there was some time delay effect idk) all the posts after the initial sel outburst it seems and did it pretty fast before it actually became a problem.

edit: this all happened like within an hour or less
You've certainly got an interesting view there for someone who failed to acknowledge any of my points and just gave a very weak facepalm react.
 

LooLoo Baloo

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Oh, can i grab a copy of that please, last one i had ran out of date.
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Estimated Release Date: 3/15/23

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Estimated Release Date: 4/1/23

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Bingoogus

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Lessons in Love 0.29.0: Total Events: 0/19 Complete
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Miku Events: 0/2 Complete
Otoha Events: 0/3 Complete
Niki Events: 0/3 Complete
Picture Messages: 0/2 Complete
Headpats: 0/1 Complete
Programming: 0/19 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/19 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 3/15/23

Lessons in Love 0.30.0 Part 1: Total Events: 0/12 Complete
Chika Events: 0/3 Complete
Maya Events: 0/3 Complete
Molly Events: 0/4 Complete
Yuki Events: 0/2 Complete
Animations: 0/2 Complete
Programming: 0/12 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/12 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 4/1/23

Lessons in Love 0.30.0 Part 2: Total Events: 0/14 Complete
Noriko Events: 0/4 Complete
Kirin Events: 0/4 Complete
Sara Events: 0/3 Complete
Tsubasa Events: 0/3 Complete
Programming: 0/14 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/14 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 4/15/23

Lessons in Love 0.31.0 Part 1: Total Events: 0/13 Complete
Ami Events: 0/3 Complete
Touka Events: 0/4 Complete
Kaori Events: 0/3 Complete
Rika Events: 0/3 Complete
Character Profile: 0/1 Complete
Programming: 0/13 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/13 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 5/1/23

Lessons in Love 0.31.0 Part 2: Total Events: 0/13 Complete
Main Events: 0/5 Complete
Makoto Events: 0/4 Complete
Nodoka Events: 0/4 Complete
Picture Messages: 0/2 Complete
Programming: 0/13 Complete
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Thanks, any chance i can grab the image file version of it though? I keep the image in my LiL folder for quick reference.
 

Black Raven

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About the impact of F95 on LiL, here's a quote from Sel :
Selebus said:
Especially when the last survey I held only had like 40% of my subscribers coming from [F95] (That was admittedly a long time ago though)
Anyway there is no denying that F95 helped the game prosper quite a bit, regardless of the actual number.
There is also no denying that the instant leaks hurt the game nowadays.

I understand Selebus being angry at F95 about the "OP edit fiasco", especially since it happened during the patreon bullshit which was a particularly stressful time for him (like he was making 10k/month and suddenly 0, for no valid reason, imagine that).
And sure he could have taken the high road back then or even let bygones be bygones after a while, but he didn't and things escalated from there.

Bit of a shame, really. But eh, at least we got some quality drama because of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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KnowNoHope

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You've certainly got an interesting view there for someone who failed to acknowledge any of my points and just gave a very weak facepalm react.
Don't need to when two other people destroyed your points better than I could before I even saw your points
True. Remember when it wasn't the case at all? I do. What changed?


They called it "mature" because he attempts to explain the situation from both ends, give Sel some benifit of the doubt and take responsibility for some fuck ups on their end. Meanwhile Sel does fine straw man in his announcement section. What a victim, my ass.


Sam is being all nice (-ish) here, but let's be honest: he likely doesn't give a fuck. Not in a malicious way, but in a "I have little emotional investment and even less time" way. There's perhaps something to be said about the consistentcy of enforcement of rules. I'm not privy to situation about loli content and i'm not sure how exactly it is being moderated, considering that "loli" tag exist. I will say that Sel does not have a moral grounds here, considering his own flip-flopping position on piracy and the fact that he doesn't actually own the assets he makes the game with.


I don't know about the real percentage, but it's not far from the truth. Thinking otherwise is being willfully ignorant, or indulging in self-delusion.


Either I misunderstood you, or you're confusing timeframes here. Usually, when people say this "95%" they talk about initial or overall growth. At the point where Sel were sending SOS here, game could grow on "it's own" without f95 contribution, that's true.
Thousands of people browse this thread and 2-3 are leaking content. But it didn't use to be this way - back in the Patreon days, the number of patrons was similar, but updates used to take a few days to leak if they ended up leaking at all. I wonder what changed? :unsure:



Care about what, Selly reaching his stated goal of making as much money as Summertime Saga? I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of even the less popular games on this site leak pretty quickly here, as sharing and talking about games is what this website is for. So what you want is the staff of this website to sacrifice the desires of their entire community for those of one single already-successful game dev, making an exception for this one game among thousands, because why? He's not making enough money to support all the overhead he has, being a staunchly one-man crew who doesn't even have to pay for assets?

I get that what Selly wants is this thread deleted, but he's being megalomaniacal and irrational, because all that would do is ensure his growth completely and permanently stagnated. Every time this thread pops up on the latest updates page, thousands of people who have never heard of it before get the opportunity to discover it for the first time. Thousands of people who played it or saw it pop up in the past are reminded of its existence. This thread has almost 6 million views. All of those eyeballs come with a conversion rate of people generous enough to support its existence through patronage, which is the only reason he's reached the level of success he has. There is no other place on the internet that offers this kind of exposure, especially for games as depraved as this one. It will NEVER be hosted on Steam or GOG or any other mainstream marketplace at any point in the future, because of both the subject matter and the fact that he doesn't own the copyright on the visual assets.



Again - I'm interested in what the nuthugger perspective is for how else this game is going to be discoverable. How many people do you think talk to other people about the porn games they play, especially ones of this nature? How many have you, personally? I saw one guy in another game's thread talk about how he got his dad to play and support the game - do you think something similar has ever happened with this one?

Are there some other websites where this game has gotten even 1/10th the exposure it's gotten here? AFAIK, there's only Itch, who are beholden to Paypal and Stripe's content policies, who even you must realize would probably not be OK with processing payments for this game if they knew they were doing it. Luckily since no one here wants to actually harm a game dev, they are unlikely to for the foreseeable future, but that's the only real place this game has to fall back on if this thread goes away, AFAIK.
It's also not a point of view I had a post deleted as well calling out the childish behavior. While I admit I am making an assumption on your origin. You are a burner account from like 4 years ago with very little posts that has done nothing but simp so it seems like a solid assumption
 
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Wardtnaci

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Thanks, any chance i can grab the image file version of it though? I keep the image in my LiL folder for quick reference.
You could just Highlight and Copy/Paste the text into Notepad and save as *.txt file. Or if you're lazy, here use mine.

I see Rika (Rin's mom) is confirmed next character to be released now(0.31 part 1)
 
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Wardtnaci

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It was confirmed on discord a while ago
I wouldn't know that. The only thing I see on discord is the #Rules.:confused: I know there's more than just the #Rules page. Was there about a year ago just reading what ppl had to say and see hints of what's to come, but now everything else is cut off.
 
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