Lolicon Kami

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I don't really think even losing Koikatsu will end this game.
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Can someone explain to me what this "losing Koikatsu" is?

Usually, just cause a software goes bankrupt doesn't mean all their software becomes unable to use. I mean, sure, you won't be able to buy new copies of the game anymore. And there will be no more updates, which means your existing copy will need to be run by an emulator after it becomes uncompatible with the mainstream computer system 50 years from now .

But assuming Selebus bought Koikatsu, couldn't he just keep on using it for the time being? Or even download it from F95zone, worse case scenerio?

And since Illusion is busted and no company's apparently going to be buying them, isn't the possiblility of someone suing Selebus for using Koikatsu still at virtually 0%
 
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Some people after hearing about this Illusion stuff:
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Honestly, considering the whole Patreon fiasco and how deadset Selebus seems to be on this game, I don't really think even losing Koikatsu will end this game. It'll definitely make things far more messy, and time consuming though.

Just imagine Kaori in Daz or a Blender made Koikatsu inspired version of the characters. Of course, this is me being optimistically out of character, so, who knows.
He could probably just hire an artist to draw the scenes if it came to it
 
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Hol' up!

Can someone explain to me what this "losing Koikatsu" is?

Usually, just cause a software goes bankrupt doesn't mean all their software becomes unable to use. I mean, sure, you won't be able to buy new copies of the game anymore. And there will be no more updates, which means your existing copy will need to be run by an emulator after it becomes uncompatible with the mainstream computer system 50 years from now .

But assuming Selebus bought Koikatsu, couldn't he just keep on using it for the time being? Or even download it from F95zone, worse case scenerio?

And since Illusion is busted and no company's apparently going to be buying them, isn't the possiblility of someone suing Selebus for using Koikatsu still at virtually 0%
Presumably someone could buy up the rights to Koikatsu, then just go around suing anyone using it commercially or just go around bullying those who use it until they are forced to stop.

Selebus actually losing Koikatsu is more of a worst end scenario. I still think, even then, it wouldn't kill LiL.

It is quite possible that nothing happens and Selebus gets even more freedom to do what they want though.

Of course the actual legal stuff is more of an assumption by me. I'm not a lawyer.
 
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Hol' up!

Can someone explain to me what this "losing Koikatsu" is?

Usually, just cause a software goes bankrupt doesn't mean all their software becomes unable to use. I mean, sure, you won't be able to buy new copies of the game anymore. And there will be no more updates, which means your existing copy will need to be run by an emulator after it becomes uncompatible with the mainstream computer system 50 years from now .

But assuming Selebus bought Koikatsu, couldn't he just keep on using it for the time being? Or even download it from F95zone, worse case scenerio?

And since Illusion is busted and no company's apparently going to be buying them, isn't the possiblility of someone suing Selebus for using Koikatsu still at virtually 0%
"losing Koikatsu" is a bit dramatic. Barring some absurd DRM lost media bullshit on Illusion's part that somehow breaks every copy of their games (highly unlikely) the toolset should continue to function.

When a company shuts down, it's very rare that they just turn out the lights, lock the doors, and shut down. There's usually a sell-off of assets to cover final debts, liabilities, and taxes. Nobody was interested in buying them outright, but individual assets may still have value.

It's just a question of "who buys what". If it's another eroge studio in Japan, odds are good nothing of value happens outside of Japan, because noen of those studios exist as legal entities outside of the country to my knowledge. If those rights are bought by an international hentai distributor like Fakku, however, all bets are off, because they're slimy litigious greaseballs.

In the short term, it will be business as usual. Depending on who acquires the rights, we might see some action down the line -- but I'll be perfectly honest, considering that Illusion is primarily shutting down because of what they considered excessive piracy, odds are good that the distribution rights aren't going to be considered to be worth much, which makes legal action a highly unlikely scenario.

The only real concern is copyright trolling. This is the exact kind of market that copyright trolls love, and if they get their hands on the rights, they'll go after pretty much everyone. Whether they're successful will depend largely on whether their targets can afford to fight back or not.

In an absolute worst case scenario, copyright trolls buy the rights, go after all the indie devs using KK/HS, most of them shut down, and the ones who aren't broken by the ordeal remake their game in a new engine using a different toolset. And given that Sel has already endured this nightmare once before with Patreon, he strikes me as being the kind of stubborn cuss who'd do exactly that. He's already said that whenever he starts his next project, it wasn't going to be using KK anyway.
 

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Illusion ceasing operation does not mean their games will vanish.
Community around them is too big.
They'll get removed from any official platform like steam though.

What happens to their IP's is something that might become an interesting topic in the future.
Though, they could just take them down with the sinking ship.

The sad thing is mostly that Illusion was a pioneer with their games in the industry.
Without them things would look alot different today.

I hope that what made them make that decision was "only" a financial reason (bad sales) or similar and not something that will hit the industry entirely.
 
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Idk about this kind of law enforcement in your countries, but in mine if like any western company will try to sue locals the court will show the rights owner a big middle finger. Peppa the pig tried and got fucked over lol
 

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Idk about this kind of law enforcement in your countries, but in mine if like any western company will try to sue locals the court will show the rights owner a big middle finger. Peppa the pig tried and got fucked over lol
Yeah, there is no universal copyright law, and whether or not one country will even acknowledge copyrights from another country is dependent mostly upon whether or not those two countries have a copyright treaty with one another.

I've heard horror stories about people finding out too late that because they didn't copyright their work in a certain country, someone else did, and in that country THEY own the right monetize it, not you. There's no real burden in some countries to even prove that you're the creator.

IIRC, when Tetris started to take off in the very early 90s, there was a free for all to distribute it in the western world, because very few countries outside the Soviet bloc recognized USSR copyrights. That why the NES got two different versions of Tetris within one year.
 

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I don't want this game to fail, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Selebus being mildly inconvenienced and having to redo the game in daz3d. Actually I'm now intrigued on how the girls would look like in daz, especially how Wakana tired face would translate.
 

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I don't want this game to fail, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Selebus being mildly inconvenienced and having to redo the game in daz3d. Actually I'm now intrigued on how the girls would look like in daz, especially how Wakana tired face would translate.
Wakana in Daz would probably look something like this, except with no buns, darker hair, and dark bags under her eyes:
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I don't even want to imagine how the Daz version of Happy Events would look though. Daz Moyo sounds hilariously nightmarish...
 

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Wakana in Daz would probably look something like this, except with no buns, darker hair, and dark bags under her eyes:
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I don't even want to imagine how the Daz version of Happy Events would look though. Daz Moyo sounds hilariously nightmarish...
I know this is pretty much personal preference but I hope to GOD that we never have to go into any Daz version alternative; these models creep me the fuck out so easily; just imagining someone making that scary Maya face in the church with this gives me the shiver.

Same goes for any psycho Ami Daz adaption, though I will admit a Daz-version mangled Ami might actually be hilarious.
 

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After reading all this about Illusion, i really hope LiL doesnt get canceled or redone with another style. One of the most important things about LiL that atracted me as a player are the models anime style (i think is me most like lookish style), i definitely hate the realistic human models from some of the game here, it feels strange. (or maybe i didnt see any that could really atract me). Even if Sel could deserve some problems for his behavior i really wish and hope that the game can still going on without any drastic change
 

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After reading all this about Illusion, i really hope LiL doesnt get canceled or redone with another style. One of the most important things about LiL that atracted me as a player are the models anime style (i think is me most like lookish style), i definitely hate the realistic human models from some of the game here, it feels strange. (or maybe i didnt see any that could really atract me). Even if Sel could deserve some problems for his behavior i really wish and hope that the game can still going on without any drastic change
Yeah, realistic and grotesque isn't all that different in my opinion. Still, that's not even getting into the wizard and body type stuff. I can mostly ignore or just not take it seriously because they are cartoons, but if it went to Daz... yeah, I don't think I could do it.

A lot of the fucked up stuff in this game, is only tolerable due to it being blatantly cartoonish. At least for me.

Even seeing a realistic Rin crying or cutting herself, would be far more uncomfortable than it already is.
 
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Hol' up!

Can someone explain to me what this "losing Koikatsu" is?

Usually, just cause a software goes bankrupt doesn't mean all their software becomes unable to use. I mean, sure, you won't be able to buy new copies of the game anymore. And there will be no more updates, which means your existing copy will need to be run by an emulator after it becomes uncompatible with the mainstream computer system 50 years from now .

But assuming Selebus bought Koikatsu, couldn't he just keep on using it for the time being? Or even download it from F95zone, worse case scenerio?

And since Illusion is busted and no company's apparently going to be buying them, isn't the possiblility of someone suing Selebus for using Koikatsu still at virtually 0%
I think that's more from a legal standpoint, not technical.

Technically speaking, the game and its studio will be fine until Microsoft does what it did to Artificial Academy 2 and discontinues a vital aspect of the operating system to run the game or studio program, which is much harder to do as the game runs on an actively used development engine, Artificial Academy 2 did not, it was run on a proprietary engine exclusive to Illusion.

Legally speaking, while the game may not be picked up and may just fall into the pile of abandonware that has been growing since computer gaming began, there is a possibility that the game rights may be bought even if Illusion is not and with that also comes the possibility that whoever does is very capable of going after the entire Koikatsu-based game market and has the legal funding to burn on small fry developers that normally aren't worth pursuing, a Nintendo situation if you will, Nintendo being a company known to go after even small cases that they barely get anything out of.
 
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how do i progress more with miku she's affection 35 and last event i had with her is she made me there coach and that's it after that
 

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how do i progress more with miku she's affection 35 and last event i had with her is she made me there coach and that's it after that
The wiki has the requirements for each event. But in this game you have to progress with every girl, including side girls and the story, so you're probably missing another girl or story event.
 

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People are thinking way too much about this illusion shutdown. There is no way anything will happen to lil or any other illusion game that literally run by modders and small time developers. The only issue is people won't be able to prove that they have the legal version. I honestly don't think any company can/will seize their assets which seems like a huge hassle considering it Japanese game and the main reason for shutdown is literally piracy. It sucks that illusions is shuting down tho, I really enjoyed kk, hs, HS2, etc. Could have preferred KK2 as well lmfao before this happens.
 
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