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Yggdrasil_Frahma

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In my opinion, this just goes to show how the average human being, especially on the male side, has very prominent ego-centric and narcissistic tendencies.
The suffering and abuse of others is acceptable and sometimes even desirable, however, the moment the MC, and by extension I myself, risk to suffer the slightest bit of inconvenience, humiliation or loss of control, it becomes an issue so extreme that the author must be sick in his mind to ever consider including such a thing in a work of art.

Which might be, if I may be so bold to assume so, one of the reasons many people here in this thread appreciate this particular game.
Sure, it essentially portrays the porn-genre-typical male power fantasy of building a harem of young girls that are all magically enamored with the MC and his horse cock.
However, Akira is not a renamable Marty Stu/Superman who is charming and ultimately bland so that the player can self-insert into him. Akira is a piece of shit, a creep, he has many faults and basically you'd have to be either very weird or extremely confident to openly admit to identify with him. But that's the thing, he is much more identifiable and understandable as a character, because he has character.
You do not see him as an extension of yourself, most of the time, but as a distinct character with his own desires, needs and thoughts that you follow within a story.
Which is also a great argument for many people on here that would wish this game was a kinetic novel, but that is an entirely different discussion.

Now, going back to people who are shocked with seeing NTR-adjacent content showing up in this game:
I would assume those players see the game differently from "us" and do insert themselves into the role of the MC and do feel like they lose control and are attacked personally when a potential LI is being sexed up by somebody else, regardless of the context apparently (I am still baffled how that scene could count as NTR but whatever).

I could be wrong of course so feel free to argue with me on this, we have enough time until the next update anyway :KEK:
Extremely based posted from Dean as expected.

The recent football shenanigans in the update have really called back to mind ancient thoughts of the various Senseis being various players as a kind of multiverse of self-insertion. (In a sense, each of we players self-inserting into our own sensei in each of our own games of LiL which are each its own universe). Although it's not an option for us to act so singularly, we can conceive of a theoretical self-inserter who upon finding themselves in the Spider's Web would be content to just make choices that romance Karin and watch football. This seems like a potential idea/theme that the game is going for. "The world is made for you" - for Sensei, or for fiction-readers?
 

DeSkel15

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On the topic of 'Right As Rain', something that Ami (Prime) said really got my synapses firing. (Basically everything she said, did, tbh)

Does Maya want to avoid sharing Ami?, especially with who Ami seemed to allude to here:
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Wouldn't be the first sexual abuser of hers that she hates sharing, or the first that she fell for, or in this context, the first to ditch her for a pink haired rival.

If so, then how has this affected Maya Prime's words and actions when it comes to Ami? Any Ami.
 
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TBone9

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It really is crazy how serious the topic of NTR is being treated in this forum.
Like, imagine that someone just registered on here to leave a 1-star review for this game after (as they themselves said) 100 hours of gameplay, simply because a character, who might not even be who we think they are, is getting raped. And calling it classic NTR as well, which is just factually incorrect.
What even a whiff of one NTR-adjacent scene does to these people:
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joryuken

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if you want to get really technical here, otoha ntr'd the shit out of akira with rin*mind you I already know that rin is basically a really horny bi sexual person*also fuck otoha and just bury her underground that was the worst character selebus could have ever written
 

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It could be filling in missing scenes for people who could be invited over but that's boring to speculate about. I mentioned this earlier but if we're assuming these scenes are going to be new content (so first instance of being able to touch / fuck thse characters) then there's fun to be had. Assuming the animations are for characters getting new events in the same update, the only person who we've done any H with here is Maki, so could be a full Maki induction with blowjob and sex and maybe a third thing I can't think of. Or it would probably be one of the characters with 3 events, so Yumi or Uta.
 
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Moonflare

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Still, I find it very funny how a LiL player, and porn games players in general could potentially be okay with elements in their stories like cheating, self-harm, violence, gore, drug use, mental disabilities, suicide, murder, torture, etc...but NTR is where they draw the line.
well, because ntr is the only one in that group that causes the corruption of a fantasy fulfillment scenario. I notice that you put ntr and cheating apart from eachother, from which I presume that you're talking ntr as the fetish example of cheating - so that'd make it even more self evident.
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tldr is that ntr is by its very nature different from all of these other tags, from which I draw no surprise at people being able to have problems with it, even if they don't with everything else.
1. The suffering and abuse of others is acceptable and sometimes even desirable, however, the moment the MC, and by extension I myself, risk to suffer the slightest bit of inconvenience, humiliation or loss of control, it becomes an issue so extreme that the author must be sick in his mind to ever consider including such a thing in a work of art.

2. You do not see him as an extension of yourself, most of the time, but as a distinct character with his own desires, needs and thoughts that you follow within a story.

3. I would assume those players see the game differently from "us" and do insert themselves into the role of the MC and do feel like they lose control and are attacked personally when a potential LI is being sexed up by somebody else
1. Exactly, it's about the forced perspective of "the victim".

2. Yes, I also think that Akira being his own character is one of the cornerstones of LiL working.

3. I mean, not necessarily? What you describe might certainly apply to a lot of people, but I think other examples might also be true. I can feel revulsion at Maya being raped because I like Maya as a character, and don't want her to be hurt - regardless of her cheating on Akira or not. Or I can simply abhor cheating as a concept, and would not like to see it (as I'd assume people that don't follow the Haruka storyline do).
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Lesbian "sex" is too hot to count as NTR
I have so much to say about this. So I'll say nothing :ROFLMAO: Waiting for Otoha to get doggystyled/slapped the fuck out of her though, her ass is her one redeeming feature.
 
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Moonflare

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Nodoka anythinig
Hear me out: What if the next headpat is with Nodoka? Remember how she hugged Akira and wished she had done that a long time ago? She asked Akira to stop her from researching, what if he does that through the wholesome route?

Edit: And honestly, never saw this coming, and it will be a win for DeSkel for me to say it, but I really hope Nodoka gets some rest. Poor girl deserves it.
 

joryuken

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well, because ntr is the only one in that group that causes the corruption of a fantasy fulfillment scenario. I notice that you put ntr and cheating apart from eachother, from which I presume that you're talking ntr as the fetish example of cheating - so that'd make it even more self evident.
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tldr is that ntr is by its very nature different from all of these other tags, from which I draw no surprise at people being able to have problems with it, even if they don't with everything else.

1. Exactly, it's about the forced perspective of "the victim".

2. Yes, I also think that Akira being his own character is one of the cornerstones of LiL working.

3. I mean, not necessarily? What you describe might certainly apply to a lot of people, but I think other examples might also be true. I can feel revulsion at Maya being raped because I like Maya as a character, and don't want her to be hurt - regardless of her cheating on Akira or not. Or I can simply abhor cheating as a concept, and would not like to see it (as I'd assume people that don't follow the Haruka storyline do).
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I have so much to say about this. So I'll say nothing :ROFLMAO: Waiting for Otoha to get doggystyled/slapped the fuck out of her though, it's her one redeeming feature.
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Yggdrasil_Frahma

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It's kind of crazy to think that way back when at the start of the thread that Selebus wanted to let the player give Sensei a name but just didn't for technical and story reasons ("why would students be calling their teacher by his first name / when did he even tell them his name"), then over time this transitioned instead to the lust name system. This is really interesting to think about in terms of self-insertion and how, at this point post ch1 rework, naming Sensei would be unfathomable - what intention with Sensei may have changed in the rework? It is also food for thought when it comes to the very fact that we have ownership of defining Sensei's name/identity only in lustful contexts. Now what thematic resonance might that have?
 
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I have finished the update and i have only 1 way to react to it
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I really enjoy it with all the things that happened, im really curious how things are going to end what will happen.
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Thinking is exhausting, why things cant be easy to understand. I hope that i will never have to write this much again soon (or ever)
 

DeSkel15

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I have finished the update and i have only 1 way to react to it
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I really enjoy it with all the things that happened, im really curious how things are going to end what will happen.
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Thinking is exhausting, why things cant be easy to understand. I hope that i will never have to write this much again soon (or ever)
The Ami Prime and Maya from 'Right As Rain' didn't seem to make it to the Halloween Party:
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So, this probably wouldn't fit their timeline:
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Ayane and Yumi may have went pop (from Makoto's perspective) then ended up running into a Maya Prime (during the Reset), then got swallowed by HOPE (during the Reset after reaching that versions roof), though. Ayane having that Maya Prime's scarf, yet memories of the Ayane that went pop would suggest this.

Of course, there's always the possibility that these main versions on the roof are merely new versions with memories and modifications from past main versions to simulate the survival of those past main versions, but who knows.
 

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Hear me out: What if the next headpat is with Nodoka? Remember how she hugged Akira and wished she had done that a long time ago? She asked Akira to stop her from researching, what if he does that through the wholesome route?

Edit: And honestly, never saw this coming, and it will be a win for DeSkel for me to say it, but I really hope Nodoka gets some rest. Poor girl deserves it.
I... fucken hell... i really want this now... just methodically patting her head as her super brain tries to understand it only to be forcefully switched off due to a primal base reaction, for her to experience a hereto foreign state of mind for her... peace...

I remember the first time i got proper messed up by a domme, physically abused until i entered subspace... the peace i found in there was incredible, for the first time in my life my brain switched off, all the autistic ADHD bullshit just washed away and i floated in a warm soothing cloud of nothingness... totally worth not being able to sit down for a few days cause my ass was purple :ROFLMAO:
 

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I'm really not :ROFLMAO:

Also, just to address many of the posts I have not been reacting to regarding theories and overall impressions of the last update, I'll be doing that in one go as things calm down. There's a lot to go over.
OK if one of them is ugly it can be NTR
 
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Apollo259

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Is Yumi secretly a sith lord?

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That was Mostly a joke regarding Yumi I still don't have any idea what that's about. But I think the color is closest to the pink of Ami's name. I am starting to see some Ami, Old One and Orb through lines but I don't necessarily want to jump on them because they are pretty loose fitting connections. I will try to write some of them out and post them later.
 
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