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BlackDays

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So, i've been brooding over commenting on the latest update. And i finished this one rather quick, on nov 2nd.
First, because i think it's a mess.
Then Moonflare, DeanNoriko and Apollo somenumbers, pretty much came up with about 50% of what i would have had to say already.
Now Aramaug kind of added another 40ish%.

I think the update is a mess because, like Apollo said something like "Timetravel in stories is bad" <- Signed.
It adds a whole new big can of worms, if the car crash is part of the cycles. Unless it's countered by a possibility of Ami being capable to create her own Sekai.

I guess i could go a bit deeper here, like how i see things more as seperate realities with their own respective timelines with a probably shared point of origin. But no.
There would be one funny point though, from a discussion we had here in the thread.
If Maya and Akira met before or after the car crash. Maybe now both is true.

Anyway.

Some thoughts i want to add.

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I pretty much forgot a couple of nice things, but that just happens. Might come up with'em later.
 
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barglenarglezous

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It adds a hole new big can of worms, if the car crash is part of the cycles. Unless it's countered by a possibility of Ami being capable to create her own Sekai.
We were just told how gods are created -- by people needing/believing in them.

The ghost Sekai in the prime timeline began to emerge around the time Wakana started researching the Girl Who Couldn't Breathe and discussing it with Akira. If more people were doing the same, what is currently an intangible ghost would likely be given form. Sure, they SAY that Sekai never died in this timeline, but that is probably not true. She died, and Ami (and possibly that timeline's Sensei) brought her back as a God.
 

BlackDays

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We were just told how gods are created -- by people needing/believing in them.

The ghost Sekai in the prime timeline began to emerge around the time Wakana started researching the Girl Who Couldn't Breathe and discussing it with Akira. If more people were doing the same, what is currently an intangible ghost would likely be given form. Sure, they SAY that Sekai never died in this timeline, but that is probably not true. She died, and Ami (and possibly that timeline's Sensei) brought her back as a God.
I think there's a shitton to say about the whole Sekai debacle. And i just refuse to get into the whole time travel desaster.
But for once, and i'm not the meme guy...
But the first thing that came up after reading your post was

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Sorry, couldn't help it. :LOL:
 

LoveRedHairedGirl

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I think there's a shitton to say about the whole Sekai debacle. And i just refuse to get into the whole time travel desaster.
But for once, and i'm not the meme guy...
But the first thing that came up after reading your post was

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Sorry, couldn't help it. :LOL:
This is current Akira whenever another "god" tries to talk with him.
 

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I planned to take a quick look at an alternate explanation for Ami's assault of Maya in "Right as Rain", but I ended up finding so much stuff to talk about that I've written another very long post. Here's what I think can be concluded directly from the evidence:
  • The scene does not take place in the main timeline.
  • The way Ami acts in the event is basically a carbon copy of Sekai, and Sel intends for the reader to make this connection.
  • Based on the narration, the entity responsible for Maya's time-hopping visions is probably Pareidolia and/or Sekai.
  • In "The Scary Room" Maya is probably shown pictures of being raped, but these pictures include a woman/girl who Maya doesn't instantly recognize (i.e. not Ami). It's also likely that the pictures show a younger Maya.
Individually, none of these points make it impossible that "Right as Rain" shows a real event where Maya was raped by Ami, but each one makes it less and less likely. Instead, I'll tentatively propose a theory that could tie these ideas together:

During the reset Pareidolia and/or Sekai force New Maya to experience nightmares based off of corrupted memories. In the real memory that "Right as Rain" is based on, Maya was still a wizard and was assaulted by Sekai rather than Ami. In "The Scary Room" Pareidolia showed Maya Prime pictures of that real rape by Sekai.

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While this was very interesting, as always, I feel like some of what's been theorized could mainly be explained by the difference in interpretation as to the events presented in 0.45 being real or not. I take them as mostly, if not all, real. So this post will attempt to take that approach to some of the "problems" aramaug has pointed out. For the minor stuff, it could simply be extrapolated from what I'll present.
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At the moment it's simply impossible to say whether this interpretation or aramaug's is the correct one. I thought however that it was important to point out that a lot of the issues raised by his interpretation depend on not taking these into account. Especially the notion that these are corrupted memories, instead of actual moments from other timelines. I favor the second interpretation.

To me, the fact that our Nodoka is there, that what we are presented explains so much of our Ami behavior throughout the whole game, that Selebus has rarely presented lore that was untrue (Kyoto might have been the first, if it even is at that), and the sheer amount of time we spent on these revelations to just be misdirection are enough for me to assume these are at most true.

Edit: on a minor note, I also thought that when HOPE (with the number three on his body) says "guess who's back" it was Pareidolia. Also, the fact that he shows up as "HOPE the peerless god of light" aka has a namechange is not lost on me. The one thing against them being a trinity is that Wires is attacked by the corruption after HOPE appears. So at that point they're likely not the same entity.
 
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Moonflare

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How to trigger happy events in 0.45?
either replay the event "Amy" by triggering it again through a save (replay doesn't count), or do it through a manual trigger (which is the same thing as the game understands it) through URM. After triggering it once, it will be green in past, current and future saves.
*Spy for Sel spotted*
I wonder what Selebus is going to be doing in these two months. Or rather one, I guess, since he still has to spend december preparing january's update. Because iirc he should be close to finishing the other mystery game?
 

Pkswilly

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Ok i added the new reset answers to this:
Thank you Wardtnaci for the formating, and butterfly boy for the 6th reset answers
Not sure the answers for Sensei Quest 4b and 4c are correct. Has anyone verified? 4b is good on the first two steps but the last on is not working. on 4v the second step is not working. That is why I came on here to ask.
 

Moonflare

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Not sure the answers for Sensei Quest 4b and 4c are correct. Has anyone verified? 4b is good on the first two steps but the last on is not working. on 4v the second step is not working. That is why I came on here to ask.
I have made an in-depth walkthrough with pictures.

Click on the following post to jump to it, sensei-quest is at the end of it.
0.44 Triggers (and reset puzzle answers).

There are 18 events (one of which is a happy event, and the reason as to why i'm shaken to the core).

All events are linked (starting on a friday) - so this version of triggers will be a little different from the usual. As for the happy event, it is triggered during the reset "puzzle". Since that's going to take a lot of explanation, let's get everything else out of the way first:

There are some calls for flags during the update, but nothing major. Relevant flags are Amifingered, Ayane and/or Tsubasa threesome and Stomachache (this is the big variant). But you don't get locked out of anything, these just change dialogue.

The hexadecimal translation for Tsuneyo's event is "slip" and "hope". The vigenere cipher for Yasu's event is "the walls are closing in".

New outfits can be bought during the puzzle:
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Picture messages are from Molly and Noriko:
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Now that that's settled, let's get into the puzzle. So, this is one of the worst puzzles in LiL depending on how you'll play it. I'm going to give you the easiest possible path through it, but that requires URM (for the money). So install that if you don't have it already, or use your own choice of changing save game variables in renpy.

You just need to cheat for the money, you can follow my walkthrough for the "answers".
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While this was very interesting, as always, I feel like some of what's been theorized could mainly be explained by the difference in interpretation as to the events presented in 0.45 being real or not. I take them as mostly, if not all, real. So this post will attempt to take that approach to some of the "problems" araumaug has pointed out. For the minor stuff, it could simply be extrapolated from what I'll present.
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At the moment it's simply impossible to say whether this interpretation or aramaug's is the correct one. I thought however that it was important to point out that a lot of the issues raised by his interpretation depend on not taking these into account. Especially the notion that these are corrupted memories, instead of actual moments from other timelines. I favor the second interpretation.

To me, the fact that our Nodoka is there, that what we are presented explains so much of our Ami behavior throughout the whole game, that Selebus has rarely presented lore that was untrue (Kyoto might have been the first, if it even is at that), and the sheer amount of time we spent on these revelations to just be misdirection are enough for me to assume these are at most true.

Edit: on a minor note, I also thought that when HOPE (with the number three on his body) says "guess who's back" it was Pareidolia. Also, the fact that he shows up as "HOPE the peerless god of light" aka has a namechange is not lost on me. The one thing against them being a trinity is that Wires is attacked by the corruption after HOPE appears. So at point they're likely not the same entity.
New crackpot theory:

Maya is a god because Akira believes in her enough to be one, but doesn't realize he's made her one. He thinks she's just a student caught in this shit as well so resets can affect her because he believes they can.
 

barglenarglezous

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New crackpot theory:

Maya is a god because Akira believes in her enough to be one, but doesn't realize he's made her one. He thinks she's just a student caught in this shit as well so resets can affect her because he believes they can.
Every version of Sensei that's ever existed has created a Maya god. That's why there are so many Mayas. Moyo and Long Maya are just the Maya-Gods for versions of Akira that had very specific fetishes.
 

Moonflare

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New crackpot theory:

Maya is a god because Akira believes in her enough to be one, but doesn't realize he's made her one. He thinks she's just a student caught in this shit as well so resets can affect her because he believes they can.
Very closely resembles the plot of "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya", which New Maya dresses as for Halloween.
Every version of Sensei that's ever existed has created a Maya god. That's why there are so many Mayas. Moyo and Long Maya are just the Maya-Gods for versions of Akira that had very specific fetishes.
I like this, but this would also mean that Maya Prime was the only Maya not created by Akira - as Long Maya calls her not of the clockwork, and rather an accident. It would also mean that Maya Prime was one of the more recent Mayas, as her being an accident would mean that there was a base of regular created Mayas prior.
 

Jorge88

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With all this talk about Maya not being real, can someone please try to explain AmIOkay, YouDidIt and Moyo to me? Please, pretend i'm retarded while explaining, 'cause i might be.
I always thought that the 3 of them were just Akira's psychosis acting up, but since they do interect with other characters...
 

Moonflare

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With all this talk about Maya not being real, can someone please try to explain AmIOkay, YouDidIt and Moyo to me? Please, pretend i'm retarded while explaining, 'cause i might be.
I always thought that the 3 of them were just Akira's psychosis acting up, but since they do interect with other characters...
YouDidIt, also known as Long Maya and Moyo are children of the clockwork. They work as freelancers for various gods (but often for HOPE), being mainly in charge of the Children Show. They have been around for thousands of years in that role. And have shown the capacity to summon countless other Mayas for Akira to have sex with.

AmIOkay is still an enigma to this day, it is possible she's also a child of clockwork, but it has never been stated as such. She's at the very least a different entity from Maya Prime, as they interact inside the replica of heaven. It has been theorized that she's the original Maya. And she makes various appearances throughout the game, heavily in the first chapter, including her iconic calling Akira by Sekai, then asking if Akira has already figured out the paradox prior to his encounter with Himawari in the Children Show, and more recently in the replica of heaven while talking to Noriko.

To properly understand them is important to understand Maya. As it stands, it has been suggested (by the game) that Maya didn't exist before the cycles. It has also been suggested that Ami was the pair to Akira initially, and at some point Maya appeared and took her place.

Leaving that possibility, if we talked about the state of things prior to last update, it was theorized that Akira conjured Maya into being by stealing a color. That is why Kaori cannot see her, why she can't remember her parents, why Tsuneyo suggests her memories are fake, why Pareidolia alerts Akira to the fact Maya should never have been there to begin with, why New Maya despairs at not having a function in Akira's life anymore (as it is needed for a god to be), and it would fit with Akira being able to fish a forgotten god from the bottom of the well (he does so with Pareidolia), so in this case he would have fished a stray (god and also the idea of a cat) which is Maya.

It's also suggested by LongMaya, Moyo and AmIOkay's overall treatment of Maya Prime that she's not as special as she makes it seem. Ami certainly makes that painfully clear during last update. So Maya, our Maya, is something that ought not to exist, while LongMaya, Moyo and possibly AmIOkay are things that are meant to (serving a function within the cycles).

Edit: I'd like to see if Kaori is able to see NewMaya, as it would clear up a few things on that front as well.
 
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