Moonflare

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With all this talk about Maya not being real, can someone please try to explain AmIOkay, YouDidIt and Moyo to me? Please, pretend i'm retarded while explaining, 'cause i might be.
I always thought that the 3 of them were just Akira's psychosis acting up, but since they do interect with other characters...
YouDidIt, also known as Long Maya and Moyo are children of the clockwork. They work as freelancers for various gods (but often for HOPE), being mainly in charge of the Children Show. They have been around for thousands of years in that role. And have shown the capacity to summon countless other Mayas for Akira to have sex with.

AmIOkay is still an enigma to this day, it is possible she's also a child of clockwork, but it has never been stated as such. She's at the very least a different entity from Maya Prime, as they interact inside the replica of heaven. It has been theorized that she's the original Maya. And she makes various appearances throughout the game, heavily in the first chapter, including her iconic calling Akira by Sekai, then asking if Akira has already figured out the paradox prior to his encounter with Himawari in the Children Show, and more recently in the replica of heaven while talking to Noriko.

To properly understand them is important to understand Maya. As it stands, it has been suggested (by the game) that Maya didn't exist before the cycles. It has also been suggested that Ami was the pair to Akira initially, and at some point Maya appeared and took her place.

Leaving that possibility, if we talked about the state of things prior to last update, it was theorized that Akira conjured Maya into being by stealing a color. That is why Kaori cannot see her, why she can't remember her parents, why Tsuneyo suggests her memories are fake, why Pareidolia alerts Akira to the fact Maya should never have been there to begin with, why New Maya despairs at not having a function in Akira's life anymore (as it is needed for a god to be), and it would fit with Akira being able to fish a forgotten god from the bottom of the well (he does so with Pareidolia), so in this case he would have fished a stray (god and also the idea of a cat) which is Maya.

It's also suggested by LongMaya, Moyo and AmIOkay's overall treatment of Maya Prime that she's not as special as she makes it seem. Ami certainly makes that painfully clear during last update. So Maya, our Maya, is something that ought not to exist, while LongMaya, Moyo and possibly AmIOkay are things that are meant to (serving a function within the cycles).

Edit: I'd like to see if Kaori is able to see NewMaya, as it would clear up a few things on that front as well.
 
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New crackpot theory:

Maya is a god because Akira believes in her enough to be one, but doesn't realize he's made her one. He thinks she's just a student caught in this shit as well so resets can affect her because he believes they can.
I'm alot more concerned considering the god he manifested using the power of his mind manifested as a wizard
 

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I'm alot more concerned considering the god he manifested using the power of his mind manifested as a wizard
After playing cosycafe, I'm pretty sure if I manifested a god I'd ask for Selebus to bring her over from japan for me.
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A catgirl, I'd manifest a catgirl.
 
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I'm alot more concerned considering the god he manifested using the power of his mind manifested as a wizard
Depressed Akira after Sekai dies: God, I sure wish I had a cute loli gf that would cheer me up right about now.
God, the wishing well or idk what: Say no more fam.
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Obligatory fuck Otoha comment.
This one is really starting to get me heated, I hope Chika beats her ass soon.
I genuinely kind of forgot Otoha even existed. Same with Osako if she didn't become hot recently, which is still on my mind.

There's gonna be two Otoha events though in the next update. I wonder what Selly has in store for us in terms of character development for Otoha. Especially now, after she broke up with Rin and Niki now being securely in Akira's sphere, she seems kind of out of everyone's story arcs.

Maybe the new development with Nodoka apparently getting the Akira treatment, aka forcing her to stop obsessing about her research and maybe just dialing her down in general, might also have a trickle down effect on her and her neurotic tendencies.
And if we're really lucky, there's gonna be Otoha butt stuff. Oh I wish...
 

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I genuinely kind of forgot Otoha even existed. Same with Osako if she didn't become hot recently, which is still on my mind.

There's gonna be two Otoha events though in the next update. I wonder what Selly has in store for us in terms of character development for Otoha. Especially now, after she broke up with Rin and Niki now being securely in Akira's sphere, she seems kind of out of everyone's story arcs.

Maybe the new development with Nodoka apparently getting the Akira treatment, aka forcing her to stop obsessing about her research and maybe just dialing her down in general, might also have a trickle down effect on her and her neurotic tendencies.
And if we're really lucky, there's gonna be Otoha butt stuff. Oh I wish...
Otoha literally went from assaulting Niki to flirting with Maya, so I'm waiting for her to start getting into Sekai - cause all she does is apparently going after people that have been Akira's girlfriends.

I echo the sentiment of not caring at all about her character or arc (she doesn't even have one). At most I can see something coming of her being into wizards or something related to Nodoka, cause if I have to deal with yet another two events dealing with her being into Niki, so help me god.
 

DeSkel15

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So, Random Dark Humor Time:
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Sana probably would have enjoyed watching last update, just saying.
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Also, not sure if this has already been mentioned, but for those who may not have noticed, Nao-chan seemed to show up behind Alt Maya Prime in Ayane's Chapter 4 'Soliloquy (Wearing Someone Else's Clothes)' Event :
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And probably in the background of Makoto's TSS:
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Whatcha doing, Nao-chan? Or should I say [TEMPLATE9]?
 
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New crackpot theory:

Maya is a god because Akira believes in her enough to be one, but doesn't realize he's made her one. He thinks she's just a student caught in this shit as well so resets can affect her because he believes they can.
You know what, I have more crack to add to that pot. Maybe Akira actually turned Maya prime into that white cat we have been seeing around the place a fair bit now since the previous reset.
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With how much he seemed to associate her with a stray cat perhaps her becoming the stray white cat is not so insane.
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NGL, even though you said it was Nao-chan, I thought I was looking at Tsuneyo.
Nao-chan and Tsuneyo look quite different from the back:
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Nao-chan's hair is more like Yumi's. Longer and a lighter shade:
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But they look Wizard height:
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And Yumi's red is typically hard to miss.
 

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You know what, I have more crack to add to that pot. Maybe Akira actually turned Maya prime into that white cat we have been seeing around the place a fair bit now since the previous reset.
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With how much he seemed to associate her with a stray cat perhaps her becoming the stray white cat is not so insane.
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Yes that one, and it will happen
 

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I genuinely kind of forgot Otoha even existed. Same with Osako if she didn't become hot recently, which is still on my mind.

There's gonna be two Otoha events though in the next update. I wonder what Selly has in store for us in terms of character development for Otoha. Especially now, after she broke up with Rin and Niki now being securely in Akira's sphere, she seems kind of out of everyone's story arcs.

Maybe the new development with Nodoka apparently getting the Akira treatment, aka forcing her to stop obsessing about her research and maybe just dialing her down in general, might also have a trickle down effect on her and her neurotic tendencies.
And if we're really lucky, there's gonna be Otoha butt stuff. Oh I wish...
Yeah Idk where he'll take her but I can't believe she's done Rin SO dirty, during the beach event where she admitted to Chika
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got me pissed.
Granted we play as someone who does the same.
 
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We were just told how gods are created -- by people needing/believing in them.

The ghost Sekai in the prime timeline began to emerge around the time Wakana started researching the Girl Who Couldn't Breathe and discussing it with Akira. If more people were doing the same, what is currently an intangible ghost would likely be given form. Sure, they SAY that Sekai never died in this timeline, but that is probably not true. She died, and Ami (and possibly that timeline's Sensei) brought her back as a God.
Now that i thought about it a bit more.
This is even nothing new.
There are a couple of stories out there where gods come to be, or gain their power, from people believing in them.
And the most recent story that came to mind, and i had that thought already but forgot, is the series "American Gods".
There are some parallels with LiL and i wonder if Sel took some inspiration there.
They even also have their own "Techno Gods" in American Gods, like i think it was the "Information Age God" and the "Internet God" and whatnot.

It's like how we have the "Wire God".
And maybe the wire god came to be through Maya, or by Akira how he'd imagine a god that would be associated with Maya's IT comparisons.
 
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Now that i thought about it a bit more.
This is even nothing new.
There are a couple of stories out there where gods come to be, or gain their power, from people believing in them.
And the most recent story that came to mind, and i had that thought already but forgot, is the series "American Gods".
There are some parallels with LiL and i wonder if Sel took some inspiration there.
They even also have their own "Techno Gods" in American Gods, like i think it was the "Information Age God" and the "Internet God" and whatnot.

It's like how we have the "Wire God".
And maybe the wire god came to be through Maya, or by Akira how he'd imagine a god that would be associated with Maya's IT comparisons.
bro I just like spaghetti
 

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Now that i thought about it a bit more.
This is even nothing new.
There are a couple of stories out there where gods come to be, or gain their power, from people believing in them.
And the most recent story that came to mind, and i had that thought already but forgot, is the series "American Gods".
There are some parallels with LiL and i wonder if Sel took some inspiration there.
They even also have their own "Techno Gods" in American Gods, like i think it was the "Information Age God" and the "Internet God" and whatnot.

It's like how we have the "Wire God".
And maybe the wire god came to be through Maya, or by Akira how he'd imagine a god that would be associated with Maya's IT comparisons.
Yup. I haven't seen the series, but in Neil Gaiman's novel "American Gods," multiple versions of a god can manifest based on regional changes in how a god is perceived. The Loki that exists in and walks around North America is so different from the Loki that exists in and walks around Scandinavia that they actively hate each other, and every culture that comes to the US brings a unique version of the gods with them.

Tabletop RPG Werewolf the Apocalypse has something similar with Umbral Spirits. Spirits emerge for nearly every concept, and those that are accepted by most of the people in an area become powerful enough to grant supernatural powers to people, with some notable examples being "The American Dream" and "The Allmighty Dollar"

I've mentioned previously that a lot of what Sel references about perception informing reality lines up with how the Hindu concept of the Maya (illusion) as written in Ravnos-related works in the tabletop RPG Vampire the Masquerade, which is by the same company that makes Werewolf The Apocalypse.

And Sel strikes me as exactly the kind of goth boi to have played a lot of White Wolf RPGs and read Neil Gaiman's novels in the past.
 
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