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Please don't. There is nothing more boring on the planet than Mary Sue and her events.
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Incorrect.
There is nothing more beautiful on the planet than Mary Sue and her events.
Unfortunately, we have to wait 0.48...
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I think your new profile picture is more beautiful
Maybe he's just getting soft rebooted. The resets only get rid of memories that make you aware of the resets for everyone else, why not him?
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Thanks. I’d forgotten that.
Yeah—I don’t think I’d ever trust that person again, never mind forgive them.
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With out knowing the rest of the release schedule maybe Dorm Wars. It's the only update with picture messages.
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Do any of you think we may have reached a Death of the Author situation already with this game?
Have we/you, constantly crafting theories by trying to guess where Sel is taking the story, possibly created an interpretation we consider to be superior than Sel's original intent? I think it's important to note that while Sel writes with good prose, it's not necessarily given that he's a great author nor story creator. I'm not saying he isn't, but I think it's important to remember he's just one person, who is fallible, and is literally writing a story on a month-to-month basis, where any number of decisions can be made that change the plot trajectory based on his whims.
I'm just curious to see if anyone else thinks we may have reached a point where our interpretation of the story and its symbolism exceeds that which Sel wrote it with.
Have we/you, constantly crafting theories by trying to guess where Sel is taking the story, possibly created an interpretation we consider to be superior than Sel's original intent? I think it's important to note that while Sel writes with good prose, it's not necessarily given that he's a great author nor story creator. I'm not saying he isn't, but I think it's important to remember he's just one person, who is fallible, and is literally writing a story on a month-to-month basis, where any number of decisions can be made that change the plot trajectory based on his whims.
I'm just curious to see if anyone else thinks we may have reached a point where our interpretation of the story and its symbolism exceeds that which Sel wrote it with.
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... I want some Ionizer, Yama and Utachi content ... 
... When do we get it ...
... When do we get it ...
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Well, I still believe he is creating the lore, looking back at theories here or lilcord. Then he is either approving or disapproving these theories. Just like Scott Cawthon did with FNAF series, which is literally build on fan theories. Basically the creator putting just a basis for fans, letting them overthink the story
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I think no matter what happens to Selly, the game is in good hands.
The facilities for LiL to be continued are there
The facilities for LiL to be continued are there
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Meh, honestly, the theories here are really cool and reading them is definitely one of my favorite parts of this thread, but even so, I'm interested in Selebus's story and his vision most of all. He has all of us coming back each month for a reason, even now.
Has he made questionable decisions in his writing before? Sure. Have certain theories on here been superior to what actually occurred in the game itself? Also yes.
But this game is only as complicated as one makes it.
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Let Sel cook. Who knows what awaits us in future updates that we just have yet to understand? As it currently stands, we have an incomplete puzzle. Until it's completed, let's see where the story takes us.
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On another note, but one that sort of relates to this, I've seen a lot of backlash towards the Ami and Maya rape scene in the latest update. People are even calling it NTR, which... I mean is it, though? New Maya certainly comes to enjoy it towards the end, but as someone else pointed out, I believe it was more of a defense mechanism, given her situation.
What could Maya have done there? Continue talking back to Ami and piss her off to the point that she gets killed? Stay silent when that seems very much impossible?
When Fight and Flight are no longer options, what do you do? What's left? You give your aggressor what they want and hope you live to see another day. Nothing else makes sense.
And hell, we now know that Maya Prime got it on with Ami in past realities too. Does that mean Maya cucked us off-screen as well?
Maybe I'm just not seeing it... I agree it was an uncomfortable scene, but I dunno if I'd call it NTR.
If anything, the porn you can watch on your computer during the "Times New Roman" reset puzzle was much worse, since it involved random men. That's some AU cucking if I've ever seen it.
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As a NTR hater it's not NTR. NTR is when Yumi tells you that she feels a connection between you and her, but she's not ready to have sex with you and instead finds the Takoyaki stand owner to have sex with instead. Psycho Ami is just a rapist.
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I don't really think you can have a death of the author situation whilst the work is still being written... maybe if he dropped it or died or started screwing it all up. Even in those situations, i personally am not the kind to lean that way, anyone can write fanfiction, only the author can write their story to their truest intent and that's the version i prefer in almost all cases. It's exceptionally rare for me to think my personal headcanon is superior to the original story.
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The Harry Potter fanfic community started to Death of the Author J K Rowling after Half-Blood Prince came out and they realized they were all better writers than her.
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just saying that Dragon Ball is still going on after Akira Toriyama (the goat) died, and Toyotaro is doing a good job
Where is Harry Potter's genius writing? It's just magic dudes in a secret society doing magic
Where is Dragon Ball's genius writing? the powerscaling is a mess and it's not like the story is very complex, just dudes screaming at each other.
Where is My Hero Academia's genius writing? There isn't, the whole series itself is carried by The power of friendship.The ending is also dogshit
I am just trying to convey here that creating stuff that others enjoy isn't all about having a high "technical skill" or anything like that, but rather how much fun you're having and want others to have. This is a big reason why a lot of older videogames are considered better despite the technical limitations from the past. Videogames were made to be fun, but now they're made to make money, and a person can feel these things.
I wouldn't say that J.K. Rowling is a brilliant writer, but there's a reason why she is so successful. Writing a story isn't all about skill but passion, and passion alone can literally be the deciding factor.
Where is Harry Potter's genius writing? It's just magic dudes in a secret society doing magic
Where is Dragon Ball's genius writing? the powerscaling is a mess and it's not like the story is very complex, just dudes screaming at each other.
Where is My Hero Academia's genius writing? There isn't, the whole series itself is carried by The power of friendship.
I am just trying to convey here that creating stuff that others enjoy isn't all about having a high "technical skill" or anything like that, but rather how much fun you're having and want others to have. This is a big reason why a lot of older videogames are considered better despite the technical limitations from the past. Videogames were made to be fun, but now they're made to make money, and a person can feel these things.
Guys my understanding is that Death of the Author (DoA) is about ignoring the author's "original intent" when analyzing a work's themes:
- DoA is not about going off and writing your own fanfic/ending/continuation because that has nothing to do with the literary/thematic analysis of a work
- DoA is totally orthogonal to the lore of the world because that lore is for the most part just a matter of facts, e.g. there's not much room for subjective interpretation on the matter of "is Nozomu Akira's brother?" And although we can spend lots of time arguing about whether Yuu is Akira's dad or grandpa, it is mostly inconsequential from the perspective of analysis
- DoA is totally orthogonal to the completion state of the work because that has no bearing on the themes present within the work as it is available for consumption right now, today
- You could say that the themes may not be explored as fully as the author had intended. But DoA is about disregarding the author's intent so whether a given theme has been fleshed out and conveyed as the author had intended is irrelevant
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That's a very interesting point that you are making and something I have been thinking about a few times.
First off, I very highly doubt that Sel is really taking into consideration fan theories, neither on Lilcord nor (and especially so) here. Anyone reading his responses in the Ask-Selebus channel will notice that he has near zero concern about what kind of ideas and suggestions the community has in terms of the overall story. He is very confident in his abilities and will follow his own guidance, rather than find inspiration from his "subjects/patrons".
Secondly, he repeatedly said that the general plot is already set in stone, and only details are up to discussion. For example, the general ending is decided as well as the overall theme for the dark path, but the individual purity paths he has not thought out yet for every character, which is understandable to be honest.
I also have the feeling, especially now that I am replaying this game for the first time, that he did have a vision from the very start, certain elements he had in mind that would come into action much later on, being hinted at subtly throughout the game. So I do have faith in him that he is able to connect all of the dots and have answers for most, if not all, of the open questions within the story.
That being said, there is always the danger that some of those decisions may backfire or turn out not as well thought through as he initially anticipated. He is a human after all, he is not immune to mistakes. For example, I am still not 100% sure whether this whole Noriko age thing from Kyoto is intended and another mystery in itself or just a brain fart from his side (this has been discussed already, so I'm not intending to re-heat this point, just giving it as an example).
Many giga brain chads on here have given very plausible and interesting theories that might realistically be even better than what Sel initially thought of, sure. A hivemind of creative and intelligent people can probably come up with a few very good ideas that might surpass the original vision. However, I trust the author to follow his vision, to fit everything as they intended it to. And even if it does not turn out to be perfect, Sel has not given me enough reason to doubt him to deliver a satisfying wrap-up of the general story points.
It's probably just good advice in general to not get expectation unreasonably high, you can't satisfy everyone and there will be certain aspects that some might find more problematic than others (e.g. that whole NTR thing). But I personally think that his track record so far shows that he is a capable enough writer to not disappoint us too much in the end. Or so I hope.
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Too many posts to reply to, so I won't quote anyone - just feel as if I have. This is about the death of the author.
I agree that it is hard to apply the concept of the death of the author (basically the idea that after a piece of work is done, no longer the say of what it means lies with the author, but rather with the reader - as it assumes that the meaning of a piece of literature is built through the collaboration of both author and reader, and that any author will touch unforeseen themes with their work that are still valid despite their intentions) to an ongoing story.
The second issue is that the death of the author isn't really meant to be used (or rather often used) for objective things within a narrative. Rather, it is used to discuss interpretations of the evidence presented, or of things left unexplained. In LiL's case, we just haven't been presented with the full picture yet. Which, again, is why formal literature guidelines aren't supportive of the publishing (and even less of the reviews) of ongoing works.
What I think we're doing, and similar to the criticism of Rowling's 6th book, is that as LiL continues, we become able to pinpoint, with increasing substance, areas where Selebus fell short (or rather seems to have fallen short). I, myself, have often wondered if by the end of all of this a substantial amount of lore wouldn't be just derivative misdirection made on the fly.
Back to Rowling, I do think she's a wonderful writer, it's just that being a wonderful writer can mean a number of things. She was able to capitalize on so much of actual myths, traditions and essence (and frustration) of the coming of age narrative and turn it into an astounding success. To not call that wonderful writing (at the very least in worldbuilding/and or understanding her target audience) would be unfair.
Both My Hero Academia and Dragonball are part of generational shounen, though dragon ball is two times removed from the current (?) generation (which includes My Hero). I don't know that I'd call anything there genius, but they're the big names within their own genre. I wouldn't go looking for "high" literature in a shonen in the first place, it follows that we would judge the literature within a genre by their own indicators - unless it somehow subverts or escapes it, like, it could be said, of Attack on Titan.
All in all, I think we have to wait for Selebus to release the equivalent of his "6th book", which would likely be the first purity route, to have proper early conclusions. If Himawari's name isn't Ami/Amy it's all obviously a piece of shit and he changed it just to spite me though.
I agree that it is hard to apply the concept of the death of the author (basically the idea that after a piece of work is done, no longer the say of what it means lies with the author, but rather with the reader - as it assumes that the meaning of a piece of literature is built through the collaboration of both author and reader, and that any author will touch unforeseen themes with their work that are still valid despite their intentions) to an ongoing story.
The second issue is that the death of the author isn't really meant to be used (or rather often used) for objective things within a narrative. Rather, it is used to discuss interpretations of the evidence presented, or of things left unexplained. In LiL's case, we just haven't been presented with the full picture yet. Which, again, is why formal literature guidelines aren't supportive of the publishing (and even less of the reviews) of ongoing works.
What I think we're doing, and similar to the criticism of Rowling's 6th book, is that as LiL continues, we become able to pinpoint, with increasing substance, areas where Selebus fell short (or rather seems to have fallen short). I, myself, have often wondered if by the end of all of this a substantial amount of lore wouldn't be just derivative misdirection made on the fly.
Back to Rowling, I do think she's a wonderful writer, it's just that being a wonderful writer can mean a number of things. She was able to capitalize on so much of actual myths, traditions and essence (and frustration) of the coming of age narrative and turn it into an astounding success. To not call that wonderful writing (at the very least in worldbuilding/and or understanding her target audience) would be unfair.
Both My Hero Academia and Dragonball are part of generational shounen, though dragon ball is two times removed from the current (?) generation (which includes My Hero). I don't know that I'd call anything there genius, but they're the big names within their own genre. I wouldn't go looking for "high" literature in a shonen in the first place, it follows that we would judge the literature within a genre by their own indicators - unless it somehow subverts or escapes it, like, it could be said, of Attack on Titan.
All in all, I think we have to wait for Selebus to release the equivalent of his "6th book", which would likely be the first purity route, to have proper early conclusions. If Himawari's name isn't Ami/Amy it's all obviously a piece of shit and he changed it just to spite me though.
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Going to risk looking like I've got my head up my ass by commenting to my own post, but I love that people are laugh-emoting at this like I made a joke, and not describing a long series of rants actual fanfic writers made back in the day. I dated a Potter fanfic writer at the time, and she made me read a lot of it, and it WAS better written than most of what Rowling's done.
It was still shit, but it was better-written shit.