Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[fdsasdf_p]

I still have faith that there's something more interesting going on with the boxes, even though journals/notes make sense.

• Selebus has been building up the boxes for a long time, including teasing them repeatedly in every recent update. I can't see him doing a "reveal" where we never see a box and the only thing we're told about the contents is that Ayane didn't learn a single useful/interesting thing from them.
• The alt timeline Maya says that she keeps her notes in the basement, but Maya Prime always had Sensei deliver the boxes to one particular room on the third floor, which we still have never seen inside of. The room has to be important somehow.

To digress a bit, I'm a bit annoyed by Ayane's timeline because it just feels kind of pointless. Sel effectively brings Maya Prime back from the dead and then doesn't have her say or do anything interesting. We learn she keeps notes, but they're useless. Maya and Ayane spend a lot of time talking about their feelings for each other, but that was just putting into words what was effectively shown by their interactions in Chapter 3; and in the end, Ayane forgets everything, so it's not like her own understanding of their relationship progressed at all. They conspicuously don't talk about anything actually important - is it really plausible that Ayane never asks Maya how she resets the world? How about anything about Maya's past - she gives Ayane the scarf to gain New Maya's trust, but wouldn't information be a lot more effective?

Agree; the characters side-profilings in that alt timeline feel more like for viewers to savor and less for being integrated into the story if Ayane or Yumi couldn't manage to remember anything. I am also a little upset that Ayane didn't try to pry more information, but I'd say it's excusable when finding her way back was rightfully her utmost priority.

Perhaps the most important meaning of visiting this timeline to me is that, even if we are unsure of how the scarf would function later in the story, this item alone is a proof that this alt timeline, to a certain extent, is real and bringing items across timelines is possible. Knowing how real this timeline is important because this implies that whatever we see in this timeline (and perhaps by extension the surreal timeline Sense and Makoto went) is something worth contemplating and not some nightmare/hallucination purely induced by resets, or something whose realness still cannot be verified (like Ayane's rooftop camping in reset6).

7. Also confused about that. Maybe she was losing those memories because they weren't coherent with the timeline she was in? When she comes back to our timeline she has issues with it being Spring, instead calling it Winter (spring is the opposite in this case, a thing that wouldn't have existed in Alt Maya's timeline).

I was thinking that the same effect of resets on accumulating memories that happened to Maya Prime is also happening on Ayane as well, even if that isn't really too many resets ago. Losing incoherent memory is very possible, but I feel like in that case Ayane should've lost a lot more memories that just how she knew Yumi is virgin, and Yumi shouldn't be an exception to that. Yea this part is weird.

 

[Moonflare]

Going to risk looking like I've got my head up my ass by commenting to my own post, but I love that people are laugh-emoting at this like I made a joke, and not describing a long series of rants actual fanfic writers made back in the day. I dated a Potter fanfic writer at the time, and she made me read a lot of it, and it WAS better written than most of what Rowling's done.

It was still shit, but it was better-written shit.

If your ex was the one that wrote the one potter fanfic I read, where Ginny chose to take judo classes in order to complement her wizardry, that would be one of the big plot twists of my year

Also, where is the LiL fanfiction? I want my Yumi romance.

 

[barglenarglezous]

If your ex was the one that wrote the one potter fanfic I read, where Ginny chose to take judo classes in order to complement her wizardry, that would be one of the big plot twists of my year

Also, where is the LiL fanfiction? I want my Yumi romance.

All the fanfic blurred together in my brain because I hated all of it, but I don't remember that one.

 

[Budoop]

Going to risk looking like I've got my head up my ass by commenting to my own post, but I love that people are laugh-emoting at this like I made a joke, and not describing a long series of rants actual fanfic writers made back in the day. I dated a Potter fanfic writer at the time, and she made me read a lot of it, and it WAS better written than most of what Rowling's done.

It was still shit, but it was better-written shit.

Unpopular opinion that slowly gained more traction over time:
Her writing always sucked ass, it gained a foothold cause it was mostly read by kids or people who just wanted a fantasy world.

Her character names are a good example, as is the tacked on lore over time from her twitter.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Her character names are a good example, as is the tacked on lore over time from her twitter.

Me when I make a chinese character and call her Ching Chong

 

[shmurfer]

Her character names are a good example

goddammit preview

 

[joryuken]

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So you are telling me there is a chance to make her dissappear ?

 

[Dc345]

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[joryuken]

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and for some reason ayane has been put on the top 3 rank of my favorite girls now

 

[DeSkel15]

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I'm still waiting for Ayane to try shooting some supernatural thing, which turns out to be Sana or Sensei, then they get Reset while she doesn't, and then she pretends it never happened...

That sounds like fun. Bonus points if she shoots Sensei in the dick:

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[JelF547]

Have we/you, constantly crafting theories by trying to guess where Sel is taking the story, possibly created an interpretation we consider to be superior than Sel's original intent?

Sure Sel had no intent to make most of characters bad persons, he just added a bit of self-insert

 

[fdsasdf_p]

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I suddenly remembered you wanting Ayane to run for president; a gun enthusiast blonde that makes pasta and silly T-shirt, and this kiiiiinda looks great on the billboard.
(also all hail Joshua Graham for all his badass lines)

 

[GSwole]

Sure Sel had no intent to make most of characters bad persons, he just added a bit of self-insert

I just wanna self-insert into Uta yo.

 

[animexmangafan]

I'm still waiting for Ayane to try shooting some supernatural thing, which turns out to be Sana or Sensei, then they get Reset while she doesn't, and then she pretends it never happened...

That sounds like fun.

That sure sounds like a lot of fun with new friends!

Spoiler: You are GOING to be my FRIEND, yes?

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[Antosha]

Guys my understanding is that Death of the Author (DoA) is about ignoring the author's "original intent" when analyzing a work's themes:

• DoA is not about going off and writing your own fanfic/ending/continuation because that has nothing to do with the literary/thematic analysis of a work
• DoA is totally orthogonal to the lore of the world because that lore is for the most part just a matter of facts, e.g. there's not much room for subjective interpretation on the matter of "is Nozomu Akira's brother?" And although we can spend lots of time arguing about whether Yuu is Akira's dad or grandpa, it is mostly inconsequential from the perspective of analysis
• DoA is totally orthogonal to the completion state of the work because that has no bearing on the themes present within the work as it is available for consumption right now, today
  • You could say that the themes may not be explored as fully as the author had intended. But DoA is about disregarding the author's intent so whether a given theme has been fleshed out and conveyed as the author had intended is irrelevant

You’re absolutely correct re: DOA as a… (See below)

Going to risk looking like I've got my head up my ass by commenting to my own post, but I love that people are laugh-emoting at this like I made a joke, and not describing a long series of rants actual fanfic writers made back in the day. I dated a Potter fanfic writer at the time, and she made me read a lot of it, and it WAS better written than most of what Rowling's done.

It was still shit, but it was better-written shit.

Yeah. As an HP fic author back in the day… Yeah. And “death of the author” was a constant rant—usually in support of whatever crackpot pairing they wanted to write (says the guy who wrote a bunch of Harry/Ginny/Luna threesomes).

And yes, as a one-time English lit grad student, I constantly had to bite my tongue and not launch into discussions/lectures on Deconstruction and Post-Modernism.

ETA: I think one of the things that I appreciate about LiL is that it invites this level of textual and meta-textual inquiry. That’s not typical of most of the games on here.

 

[Moonflare]

(also all hail Joshua Graham for all his badass lines)

single-handedly making players everywhere discover respect for a man of faith.

Please don't. There is nothing more boring on the planet than Mary Sue and her events.

I have to agree that everything Karin, while endearing, is quite boring before Akira assaults her. Her event where she reflects on a day-to-day of being perfect and just wanting Kirin's attention is the most boring event of the game.

On another note, but one that sort of relates to this, I've seen a lot of backlash towards the Ami and Maya rape scene in the latest update. People are even calling it NTR, which... I mean is it, though? New Maya certainly comes to enjoy it towards the end, but as someone else pointed out, I believe it was more of a defense mechanism, given her situation.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it... I agree it was an uncomfortable scene, but I dunno if I'd call it NTR.

If anything, the porn you can watch on your computer during the "Times New Roman" reset puzzle was much worse, since it involved random men. That's some AU cucking if I've ever seen it.

It is NTR because of the scene's effect on the reader. You're watching a girl cumming and mindbreaking to pleasure while being raped by someone that isn't Akira, that intends to convince her that she doesn't really love him. While one can discuss the specifics of who did what and why and what the result was, this isn't necessary for someone to classify the scene itself. Not even if it was real or not. Point is: you have been shown an NTR scene. It is undistinguishable in its presentation from a classic NTR scene.

We can go towards conclusions of "but it wasn't real", or "but actually Maya and Ami are just parts of Akira's brain", or "but it was a what if scenario", or "but I don't consider it so since" - however all of these cannot begin in any other way than "it was an NTR scene (in form)", the "but" can only come after that initial statement. Selebus intended to present an NTR scene and to create a discussion around it, that a lot of us seem unaffected by it is a more interesting discussion altogether imo.

(says the guy who wrote a bunch of Harry/Ginny/Luna threesomes).

And yes, as a one-time English lit grad student, I constantly had to bite my tongue and not launch into discussions/lectures on Deconstruction and Post-Modernism.

ETA: I think one of the things that I appreciate about LiL is that it invites this level of textual and meta-textual inquiry. That’s not typical of most of the games on here.

Reminded me of how much I liked Luna. And yeah, LiL finally giving us a reason to have picked up so much literature knowledge.

 

[somepersonoutofnowhere]

There really is nothing fair about that. Oh man, I do hope dragon age defies all expectations and turns out to be a great game cause whatever shall I do without LiL for so long.

End up in a friend group that takes up your free time with friend time (pretty alright/nice excluding drama here and there) to the point you forget about checking up on F95zone LiL thread until it's the first of any month.

Anyways unfortunately as much as I wish I could've been here once I finished with the last thing that had me busy, that I would now be spending some time back here since all of you are pretty alright ( shoutout to Bingoogus assuming he's still bingo'ing and around) and so I could read the essays upon essays of how Ami is actually Himawari.

I'm gonna be here and there reacting rarely and mainly to previews and shit, been amazing being around here, this isn't a farewell, just an update on if I'm still alive or not and if I might be returning, which the part about returning is quite rare but I can see it having a very slim chance of happening. Hope everything around here is still going good!

 

[barglenarglezous]

Lol Moonflare how do ya feel about Dragon Age

btw personally, i work from home so thats why i spend half the day shitposting on f95 (and browsing reddit, and watching the news) - just waiting for stuff to finish cooking. im sure there's a bunch of other ppl in the same boat

Yup. Work from home and a virtually empty workflow. Lots of fuck around time.

 

[Moonflare]

Lol Moonflare how do ya feel about Dragon Age

btw personally, i work from home so thats why i spend half the day shitposting on f95 (and browsing reddit, and watching the news) - just waiting for stuff to finish cooking. im sure there's a bunch of other ppl in the same boat

I haven't finished because I hit a rare bug that made me unable to interact with statues and chests (and Solas' memories because of that). So I'm waiting around for a fix which is a huge bummer.

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All in all, an okay game I guess. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone though. Also, it's worse if you're a dragon age fan than if you're starting with it. There are many points of why that is, but it would make for a very long post.

Edit: if the question is about the series, then it's a great series. I like it. Although it is weird that every game kind of tried to reinvent itself.

Edit2: nothing to do with anything but I've recently started growing some plants as a hobby. I haven't really mastered it yet, but some of my pumpkins are growing and that's very cool. So that's another thing I do other than checking the thread. I recommend it because it takes virtually no time, but it's yet another thing to do while waiting around for stuff to compile.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Edit: if the question is about the series, then it's a great series. I like it. Although it is weird that every game kind of tried to reinvent itself.

When you look into the circumstances behind each game, this trend makes a lot more sense.

When BioWare lost the D&D license, they really wanted to continue making high fantasy RPGs, so they set about making their own world. Because they wanted to hurry up and get to the fun part (actually making the game) they spedrun the world building, which is why demons are literally just the 7 deadly sins, the spirits are just the 7 cardinal virues, the original presentation of Daelish was Native American-coded, the original Qunari were Muslim coded, etc). Then they spent a LONG time on the game itself, including building a propietary engine.

The game did well, and so did the expansion, so EA gave them 13 months to make a sequel. This is a VERY short turnaround for BioWare, which is why the story feels more like 3 chapters pulled randomly from an anthology with little in-between connective tissue and side quests are pulled from 4-5 recycled environments. They had to cut a lot of corners to make the deadline.

When they started on Inquisition, open world was taking off, so EA imposed an open-world requirement on them, and the existing engine didn't accomodate an expansive open world, so they had to change engines and playstyle -- only for the biggest complaint about the game to be the expansive open world and how it was implemented.

They then began work on Dread Wolf.

Midway through Dread Wolf's development, EA imposed a Live Service requirement on the game, so everything they had at the time was largely tossed, and the game restarted. Veteran DA designers began jumping ship. By the time EA retracted the Live Service requirement (which prompted another "toss what we have and start over") there was no longer anyone left at BioWare who even knew how to code for the Origins/2 engine, making a remaster of the original games impossible (which is why we'll never see a trilogy release like Mass Effect got). The final game was literally the 3rd attempt at making a follow up to Inquisition to be started at BioWare. Lead directors changed twice over, I believe. Most of the people working on it were actually from the Mass Effect team, not the Dragon Age team, which is why the quest structure feels much more Mass Effect 2 than any Dragon Age has ever been. And after 10 years in development, EA urged them to finish the game as a complete product, not plan for any DLC, and after a patch-fix post-release period, the team will begin workiing on the next Mass Effect in earnest. So it feels rushed because it WAS rushed. Two false starts and an impatient publisher will do that. The game winds up sharing a lot of the circumstances that Dragon Age 2 had as a result, and it's getting a lot of the same complaints that people had with Dragon Age 2 back when it came out. What a coincidence.

After platinuming the game, it was enjoyable and satisfyinig. It's not a game of the year, but it's definitely in my top 5 for new releases I played this year.

If anyone case, that top 5 is:
1) Persona 3 Reload
2) Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
3) Veilguard
4) Mechwarrior 5: The Clans
5) Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Notes: I haven't played Metaphor Refantazio yet, but everything I've seen tells me it'd wind up on this list, and SMTV is only as low as it is because I wasn't in the right headspace for that kind of game when I played it, and will go back when I'm in the mood for it. If any of these games is falling off to make room for Metaphor, it'll probably be MechWarrior.