Antosha

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It amazes me how such an intelligent and smart person can be so shortsighted and greedy
Creative types' view of online piracy is rarely... strategic. Or rational. I understand it from that side--I've made my living mostly through by sales of copyright-protected media. Watching stuff I'd spent hundreds or even thousands of hours on be freely shared without my consent? Maddening. Gut-wrenching. Enraging.

But a few of the things I learned very early on are:
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DeanNoriko

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I'd wager that's Tsuneyo based on color and proportions. It could be Nao but I don't think she's ever been used as a ragdoll in the background before.
The screenshot is from the children's TV show and the stage was lit. The hanging pair of legs are unlit in the background, which makes them look darker. Actually, Tsuneyo's legs would probably look even darker, even under studio lighting, if that makes sense.
So I am 99.9% sure this is neither from Tsuneyo, nor from Nao (or Imani for that matter).

I'm actually not sure if Sel even uses models that differ somehow from the knees down in terms of shape or looks. I guess you might be able to differentiate Futaba, but the rest I imagine would look pretty much identical, at least without anything right next to them for reference in size.

So I find it hard to say. Personally I don't even think it's supposed to show someone T-posing but simply hanging from a noose, therefore I just assumed it would be some variant of Maya.

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Creative types' view of online piracy is rarely... strategic. Or rational. I understand it from that side--I've made my living mostly through by sales of copyright-protected media. Watching stuff I'd spent hundreds or even thousands of hours on be freely shared without my consent? Maddening. Gut-wrenching. Enraging.

But a few of the things I learned very early on are:
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there is another important difference between what you point out and selebus' work. People aren't stealing his product, they're stealing his monthly early access to it, he himself gives away his product for free each month, just a bit later.

From that point of view, it's even more pointless to combat piracy, since you're not even struggling against people taking your precious product for free, just the notion that they're taking away the privilege of those that support you. So, really, everyone that "steals" his early access pass each month is still a potential supporter for years to come, since, again, it's a month to month deal.

To the point, it's far more damning to alienate piracy users in his case because you're also alienating potential supporters. His is not a finished product, it is far more important to create a vocal supportive community (paying or not) than to combat piracy (pointless since it won't yield anything anyway). And even if most of these people never support him, I can safely guess that a lot of them would be willing to pay for the final product after so many years. The only reason why they might not be is because of Selebus' behavior tbh.
 
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barglenarglezous

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To the point, it's far more damning to alienate piracy users in his case because you're also alienating potential supporters. His is not a finished product, it is far more important to create a vocal supportive community (paying or not) than to combat (pointless since it won't yield anything anyway) piracy. And even if most of these people never support him, I can safely guess that a lot of them would be willing to pay for the final product after so many years. The only reason why they might not be is because of Selebus' behavior tbh.
I personally withdrew my support over his antics, specifically. I kept my support through his constant grousing about the leaks, but the mass reporting and DRM were the line for me. If that hadn't happened, he'd still be collecting $5/month from me.
 

Antosha

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there is another important difference between what you point out and selebus' work. People aren't stealing his product, they're stealing his monthly early access to it, he himself gives away his product for free each month, just a bit later.

From that point of view, it's even more pointless to combat piracy, since you're not even struggling against people taking your precious product for free, just the notion that they're taking away the privilege of those that support you. So, really, everyone that "steals" his early access pass each month is still a potential supporter for years to come, since, again, it's a month to month deal.

To the point, it's far more damning to alienate piracy users in his case because you're also alienating potential supporters. His is not a finished product, it is far more important to create a vocal supportive community (paying or not) than to combat piracy (pointless since it won't yield anything anyway). And even if most of these people never support him, I can safely guess that a lot of them would be willing to pay for the final product after so many years. The only reason why they might not be is because of Selebus' behavior tbh.
Definitely. Add to that his extremely questionable right to use the basis for his art (even though he's modified every image a lot) and the whole thing looks silly and more than a bit hypocritical.

But as I said, seldom strategic or rational.
 

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The screenshot is from the children's TV show and the stage was lit. The hanging pair of legs are unlit in the background, which makes them look darker. Actually, Tsuneyo's legs would probably look even darker, even under studio lighting, if that makes sense.
So I am 99.9% sure this is neither from Tsuneyo, nor from Nao (or Imani for that matter).

I'm actually not sure if Sel even uses models that differ somehow from the knees down in terms of shape or looks. I guess you might be able to differentiate Futaba, but the rest I imagine would look pretty much identical, at least without anything right next to them for reference in size.

So I find it hard to say. Personally I don't even think it's supposed to show someone T-posing but simply hanging from a noose, therefore I just assumed it would be some variant of Maya.

Sincerely,
Feet Expert
I'd say Miku. She's been TPosed already not so long ago, with lots of copies of her.
Maybe she'll get some slightly more important part in the near future.
 
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