Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Antosha]

So either Miku was given a dildo for christmas or she's been practicing and

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is her christmas gift this year. Since Ayane would have any gun she'd want already, and no one would be foolish enough to give an obsessed ramen master ramen as a present, I'm assuming they're holding gifts for Sensei.



This update will be very interesting to overanalyze for that reason. More importantly than Maya's reaction to her friend, let's see her reaction to Sensei. I have a feeling this will be a reset Maya, though that's purely on me leaning too far into my idea about amiokay actually being Nu Maya. (Though if this is Nu Maya at christmas technically that doesn't rule it out either, just that it isn't happening yet)

So... the dildo is for Akira? Damn, Miku! You went straight to really kinky very fast!

 

[shmurfer]

So... the dildo is for Akira? Damn, Miku! You went straight to really kinky very fast!

She went from no experience to monster cock really fast. And she'd absolutely hyperfixate on beating the only physical challenge she lost and she's had at least two months of preparation, and she'd have asked Makoto for help. It could even be a threesome.

 

[Moonflare]

In my mind, how can a scene featuring two of the girls and not him possibly be whatever the hell NTR is?

But that's me (and you). Other people find those scenes vile and insupportable. C'est la guerre.

Spoiler: a few thoughts on the matter

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In retrospect, the sex of the person she cheated with didn't matter at all.

That is the short of it, yes.

Sweet Home Alabama plays softly in the distance

I'm not one of the sisters what the heck lol
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Finally, to some actually productive stuff, interesting ending to one Ami event:

Spoiler: Everlasting love

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[crustlord12]

I'm not one of the sisters what the heck lol

I know. It's always just funny to me when someone starts working through a family tree in one way or another.

(also I'm somehow out of reacts so IOU one)

 

[joryuken]

In the words of the immortal George Carlin (sort of):

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seriously though, I'm kind to everyone until I'm not. There's no middleground, I'll treat you nice, and if you give me any sign you shouldn't be treated that way, you're public enemy number 1. I don't want to see you, I don't want to hear from you, if you ever visit our mother I want to be noticed in advance so I won't be there. Man, I'm full of quotes today huh.
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Hey, I figured I'd also make a tierlist of waifus, since I never made one surprisingly - so there you go, not in terms of being interesting to the plot, nor character analysis, just straight up "would I want this person in my life or not" (as a romantic interest, were I their age - obviously).

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motherfucker you just created my actual tier list, do you live inside my walls?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

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That is the short of it, yes.

I'm not one of the sisters what the heck lol
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Finally, to some actually productive stuff, interesting ending to one Ami event:

Spoiler: Everlasting love

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You aren't entitled to decide what's stupid and what isn't. If I feel like two girls kissing isn't cheating, then that's simply how I feel. A man not feeling emotionally threatened by a woman is completely understandable as you subconsciously think that your partner can never reach with another woman, the level of intimacy that your partner will with you(both mentally and physically) And if she does leave for another woman, it just means your connection with her wasn't deep enough to begin with and she did you a favor.

 

[FireCazador]

Upon this early morning dreary, feeling weak and weary, I found myself once again listening to a track of Good Kid on Youtube - most precisely, the video "Good kid - Bubbly [1 hour]" (4.4k views) uploaded by Horror 163 (544 subscribers). This is a particularly enchanting track for me due to the contrast between the upbeat rhythm and the rather grim lyrics. To quote: I never sleep, I never eat, I never leave my house alone. This particular chorus resounds in my head like shouts echoing within a cavern void of all but darkness. I find myself murmuring it to myself at idle moments. I never sleep, I say as I get in bed, I never eat, I say as I slouch in my chair, and I most certainly never leave my house, much less alone. But in these moments I am far from despondent myself: if Good Kid man never sleeps and never eats, why should I feel bad about it myself? It makes me feel enthused to continue existing, and I give my usual silent prayer of gratitude to Lessons in Love for introducing me to a life-defining band.

But invariably there will come a momentum of contemplation which interrupts the stillness, and in this case it's the community's overall poor reception to the Good Kid tracks. I have nothing bad to say about this in itself - I know one individual who loathes all music with comprehensible lyrics simply because he prefers the more primal enchantment of raw beats to thinking about any such poetry, and I can imagine that the erudite readers of Lessons in Love would have respectably eclectic tastes of their own. However I must say that the sheer vitriol directed at the update and music continue to perplex me to a degree, for while I played the tracks felt completely natural to me, and I found the music fairly good as well. If I had a complaint it was mainly that I felt, in retrospect, it was deceptive for Him to comment on this update having "the most new music on any update since such-and-such" which swelled anticipation for something much more original or unique than a series of Good Kid tracks.

Nonetheless, when reality does not meet your expectation that means one must "update their priors" as we Bayesians say, and I have done so, though my intention here is not to get into that too much. The unique playstyles individuals have go far beyond what can be covered in a brief F95 post - the psychology to vetting all music in a game's updates and deleting tracks which does not suit one's taste, for example, is worthy of a dedicated post. Instead, I thought - as good kid man sings into my ears 'I get the feeling I will someday die, and I'm not going to care' - that it might be fun to record some meditations on the inclusion of Good Kid in Lessons in Love.

The first observation

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This is intriguing because with a flash of intuition it struck me that Good Kid's tracks in the previous Dorm Wars may have been chosen purely due to the existence of these chiptune tracks. We can imagine that the broad strokes of Sensei Quest being painted years ahead of time (perhaps as early as Dear You was written, though I would have wagered it gestating in His mind since a viewing of Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa Nai, had He seen it), and the moment the good kid chiptune tracks were released the idea snapping into place (them being released, to my knowledge, months after the launch of my game; We have noticed a tendency for Him to track all new releases of relevant artists, so perhaps He saw them as soon as they were uploaded, or perhaps He saw them only later). In any case, speculation of this nature is wholly meaningless as creative inspiration is like - as my Dear Beloved David Lynch would say - like catching a fish from the dark shadows of the mind. It can happen at any time, it is out of one's control, and all one can do is quickly write down the intuitions. Remember to write down your intuitions! The dark energies of the brain are beyond our control, and as the electricity surges all can be gained or lost.

The second observation is of more concrete meaning. Good Kid's lyrics are shockingly well-suited for Lessons in Love's themes. Now, this is something tricky, because I have over time found LiL's themes to be so fundamentally and universally relevant that they can be seen everywhere. For example, I recently watched Arawakawa Under the Bridge to see if perhaps the Arakawa family name was inspired by it, and while at first I was stricken by how perhaps such-and-such denpa was inspired by such-and-such idea, it later became extremely apparent to me that Arakawa is chiefly from Arakawa Naoshi, and BOY, if you want to see the inspiration for ideas, do I recommend watching Your Lie In April! HA HA HA!

That's a tangent though - the reality is that such primal themes such as mental illness, the seasons, etc, are universal to the primal human zeitgeist, and so phantoms of their presence can be seen anywhere. One must be wary of drawing lines between dots which ultimately form a grotesque creature rather than a divine symmetrical shape. However, in LiL's case, it's a fact Good Kid tracks were put into the game, and thus are worthy of special attention. To that end I have selected three tracks for our lyrical analysis: Summer, Second Rate Town, and Pox. I have implied analysis of Bubbly above - I trust the reader to determine the significance of staying inside all the time and having a lack of care for death.

Firstly, "Summer" should draw attention for its name alone, for of all the seasons we can say that Summer has presently been "The most important" in Lessons in Love in certain senses. Let us look at some choice lyrics:

Spoiler: GK

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Much like killing frogs and jokes by dissecting them, I am wary about placing definitive interpretations for lyrics. Even if the lyricist were to have a specific idea in mind, it's important that art takes a life on its own and new meaning can be derived through different ways of looking at it. Thus what I offer here is only one interpretation which ideally would be used for fuel as future thought.

As made more clear in a post by the band, this is a song about picking up the pieces of yourself after you've fallen apart and accepting your flaws - including the parts of yourself you don't love. If one did not immediately recoil in realization as they draw a parallel from that to SeleGHAghaCOUGH COUGH from that to Sensei then I am uncertain what to say. The cycle of being unable to believe something is over (in this case: summer, perhaps his Hot Boy Summer, his time of turning around and having the happiest times with his students), to being determined to "piece yourself back together" to try again, etc, are all potently relevant to Lessons in Love. The song even references the wings of a sparrow - what this means honestly I don't know but it's a bird so you know has to be pretty potent. I could go on but we have two more tracks to glance at. (I recommend watching the music video for Summer; it honestly helps a lot with interpreting the lyrics).

The second track is 'Second Rate Town.' Now this one is a jam. Let's get right to the lyrics.

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Obviously, my mind here is drawn to Kumonoami. One could certainly say that the town is stretched way too thin, and that Sensei is noticing it, though perhaps the more interesting aspect is the way in which the singer seems to be pleading with an individual to like a place more than they do - this song actually has two different titles, First-Rate Town and Second-Rate Town. Well, which is it? It's ambiguous, just like how Kumonoami is ambiguously a based town or not. You have certain individuals pleading with Sensei to love it there, while he may at times hate it there. Of particular interest is the background line "You can never leave," implying being trapped. Then there is "it will fade as all things must, I loved you but you didn't love me enough," which makes me think of either Sensei's trauma for Maya's suicide fading, OR Maya identifying that Sensei (as revealed by him choosing to abandon her when she got pregnant) didn't love her as much as she loved him. These are just tenuous connections, though, and not the purpose of the song. Nevertheless it's enjoyable to imagine this as a Kumonoami theme song of sorts. Of the songs played in LiL this one stuck out to me the most in the moment due to this.

The third track is 'Pox.' I chose this one purely because someone I know disliked all the Good Kid tracks, but said 'Pox' was the exception and the only one they liked. This may as well be random selection and will help prevent cherry picking in this analysis. I will now take a look to see what meaning I may derive.

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Thoughts of particularly old repetition leading to a map aging to the point one lives by the creases rather than actively following any roads is intriguing - at this point in the game it is very distinct that the characters have rotten selective memories and kind of just ghost the lifestyle patterns they used to have, sometimes intentionally. Then we have more talk of 'towns,' the singer wishing a pox upon it, wanting to burn it down, and alluding to mass death (perhaps like the death of Sensei's class, though the details to this (barring a bus plummeting off a cliff) escape me; a favorite idea of mine is that after Sensei commits suicide, each of his class follows in turn because they can't live without his dick, though sadly it is also apparent that his over-sexualized body comes from his self-perception as a sex object rather than being an actual aspect of his true self).

Anyway, although it took longer than I intended, in the above paragraphs I gave examples of lyrics to demonstrate the clear thematic parallels of Good Kid's lyrics to Lessons in Love. It is a rather fitting band for the game, though I will again warn that many of these ideas are 'generic' (though I prefer the terminology 'aesthetically primal.') We could select a totally random band like Valleyheart, comb through lyrics, and point to lines like 'There's a knock on the door of my wavering troubled consciousness / and it's hard to ignore as the weather gets better outside / sure the blooming spring brings a brand new sense of accomplishment / what's the good if it doesn't feel right" or Take my worn out sense, make it new again / I think I've lost myself, can you heal my head?" However, in the broad scheme, I feel comfortable imagining the resonance He may have felt listening to good kid and the ideas He may have had when putting in the game, so claims that the songs are totally out of place seem disagreeable to me. Even were I not to like the songs, they give much food for contemplation and - to me - tie certain thematic knots in certain points of the long, long string that is The Game.

But is it not by lyrics that songs are most often judged; there is a strong tendency to simply absorb the sounds and then either smile or frown, with the former being a stamp of approval and the latter being a judgement of failure. This is another topic worthy of its own discussion: there is a STRONG tendency in critics to brutally tear apart a piece of media's story, visuals, etc, but completely throw their hands up at the music and say 'eh well I don't know about music so I can't say much but I like it / dislike it?'. This has perturbed me for a long time since it is so ubiquitous. I think there is a sort of mysticism to our resonance with air vibrations that compel even the most rational of analysis to mentally capitulate to magic and admit defeat. And arguably, this is wise of them, for rational critiques of music as produced by trained musicians are often bemusing - a friend of mine, for example, identifies the IV V iii vi chord progression with razor focus and cries on demand upon hearing it. That is a true story. However, it is hard to say a general audience will nod along and say 'Ah yes, this track was superb due to it's execution of the IV V iii vi chord progression.' In some saddening ways music is a firm bastion that continues to slay the ascent of Objective Critique.

I am no exception here. Not only am I not a musician, but I actively strive to avoid music theory in order to prevent myself from thinking in these concrete terms upon hearing music. Ignorance in this case may be bliss and if I open this Pandora's box it will be when I have exhausted more interesting topics. Nonetheless, I can say that Good Kid's tracks are pleasing to the ear and I found them enjoyable to listen to throughout the course of the Lessons in Love update. (I ESPECIALLY liked the chiptune versions present in Sensei Quest and left the game open for days at a time to listen to them before I realized that He had not arranged them himself and in fact I could just find them on youtube.) The problem is that this is lacking in substance to note; I may as well describe the strength of orgasmic bliss that rushed through my head as I ejaculated to a specific H-scene (answer: none. I have not whacked the mole to Lessons in Love a single time (nor did I discover it through h-scene tags) which makes me immune to approximately two/thirds of the fourth wall breaks.)

So instead I will try to scrape up a modicum of meaningful analysis. After hours of contemplation (again, listening to Bubbly - Good Kid) I have forged the shaky but perhaps meaningful idea that the Good Kid tracks provide valuable contrast. Ah, contrast, what a word beloved by critics and analysts alike! Let us ignore the desiccated skin of an overused term to instead identify what this means. After hundreds of hours of primarily ambient background tracks dotted by more contemplative, emotional tracks and distorted mockeries of them we are blasted with full-on upbeat indie rock so popular by the Youth that it is well-known for being officially included in the literal game Fortnite (to say nothing of the name of the band being literally Good Kid).

One does not be an analyst to notice this huge tonal whiplash. Indeed, it is this whiplash which has earned much ire! I saw one comment from someone aghast that after LiL consistently picked so many fitting, emotional tracks, the Good Kid update suddenly blew that all up will ill-fitting western music. But dare I say... that was the point? Okay, that is venturing too close to Happy Event apologism, so let me explain a bit. It's not like "being bad was the point." It's more like: what's going on at this moment? The class are performing a dorm war without Sensei. For a period they detach themselves from drama and are away from their depressive teacher. In the prime of their seething youth they engage in jubilant festivities and truly throw themselves at simply Having Fun, not to get in their teacher's pants, but to Have Fun - (indeed, those after the dildo take their leave). I would say this moment is so unique in LiL's history such a paradigm shift in music is more than fitting. It arouses excitement and energy in the class as much as us (keep in mind the music is wholly diegetic).

Consider an alternate reality where the dormitory war had a good - let's say great, even - ambient upbeat track to it. Some kind of vocal-free track not unlike ULTRA MEGA BATTLE THEME. This would have a pretty transformative effect; it's unlikely that the moment would have felt different or special, and it would run the risk of feeling more of the same, which would have likely been worse or less meaningful. Of course, we can only theorize at what other tracks may have been used, and I don't mean to say Good Kid was objectively the best choice. However, what I want to highlight is Lessons in Love is a game that is evolving and changing before our eyes, each new chapter a step into a new world. A bucket of cold water like Good Kid being splashed in our faces is precisely the kind of wake up call that a new paradigm calls for. Even those displeased by the reverberations are liable to remember it for months or years to come - and that, I find, is quite an artistic accomplishment.

Anyway, I think that's about all I have to say on this subject for now. The reaction to the Good Kid tracks continues to be as fascinating to me as the tracks themselves. Much like a mine rich in valuable ore, the more I contemplate it the more insight I seem to derive. I think those displeased by the Good Kid tracks may stand to benefit from spending 15 to 20 hours playing Good Kid's EP on loop while paying close attention to the lyrics and attempting to reach their inner child on Field Day. For now, I must give Good Kid EP 3 another listen since I've been biasing 1 and 4 lately. Its track Madeleine is rather interesting itself...


The sun had shined, the earth as well
Her eyes were two half moons
And even when we lost ourselves
To something in between
The words we shared are all still there
To show us where we'd been

I'll go wherever you go
I'll go wherever you go
I'll go wherever you go
I'll go wherever you go

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This is getting ridiculous at this point. Rin have a main event waiting but somehow, autovn really doesn't like Rin. I bet when it eventually does get around to Rin, it will do nothing but visit Rin.
Futaba is one of my least favorites and she's at the top. Yumi is one of my favorites and she's at the bottom. Haven't even been given much time to get to know Rin either so it's like... I dunno. Is it the game or is it autovn messing with me?

Speaking of the devil, autovn finally visits her.

Idk how autovn works so all i can say to this is that from the base game some events come after other (i say this because idk how the days go there) and also need affection points (another thing idk how works there since its played in a linear way). Also if you talk how Futaba is at the top and Yumi at the bottom on that image that i think if from the "progress", they are alphabeticaly ordered

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Damn look at that Tsuneyo's ramen tree and look, Ayane have a gun again hehe Its been a long time ag...
MIKU HAS A GOD DAMN DILDO IN HER HAND IN PUBLIC? OMG WTH


My reaction looking through the pic xd I notices the other things first and then saw the dildo and be like "wtf why xd"
I guess her christmas present was that to train and not bleed again xd

 

[Moonflare]

You aren't entitled to decide what's stupid and what isn't. If I feel like two girls kissing isn't cheating, then that's simply how I feel. A man not feeling emotionally threatened by a woman is completely understandable as you subconsciously think that your partner can never reach with another woman, the level of intimacy that your partner will with you(both mentally and physically) And if she does leave for another woman, it just means your connection with her wasn't deep enough to begin with and she did you a favor.

then why would one feel threatened by a guy? if she leaves for another man, it just means your connection with her wasn't deep enough to begin with and he did you a favor, no? what's this double standard?

Also I did not say that either you or someone that feels like that is stupid. What I said is that the notion that: "danger can only come from a significant other being involved with a different sex is fucking stupid." Which it is. People leaving their different sex partner for someone of the same sex is a thing. This is different from saying that someone that is okay with sharing is stupid. One is trying to generalize one's own feelings on the matter as a rule (which is flawed), the other is aknowledging that each person has their own preferences (which is absolutely true).

Finally, I most certainly am entitled to call concepts that lack common sense stupidity, because that's what stupidity means. If you felt that somehow that was directed at you or your feelings, I apologise. Reread what I originally wrote and you'll see that I was talking about a concept. Which is stupid.

 

[shmurfer]

Akira doesn't watch Ami raping Maya, the player does. Who does that hurt and why? Obviously not Akira, he didn't even see it. Selebus is putting the player that cares for Maya and sees her being in a relationship with them in the position of having her taken from them (cuckoldry), by another person that makes her cum and admit that she's just a whore that lost to the pleasure. That is simple ntr.

While I don't want to get involved in the other argument, I'd like to say I don't see this as NTR purely because Maya wasn't willing. She didn't sit down in the chair she was forced into the seat and restrained while she wasn't even conscious. Everything after that was her resisting. She never ended the scene with any sort of gratitude for Ami or some "I'll see you at christmas...Partner". Nu Maya would have gone below all of the tier lists if she had. Instead her taking Ami's deal was pure hysteria at the thought of losing Akira, and she took every chance she could to back out of it when she was alone with 'him'

Orgasms are a mechanical process (that can be altered by emotions). Someone being brutally raped by someone else can absolutely orgasm. I'm sure you know there are some girls that have been raped who felt hugely guilty about it because they still came during the process. And while I assume most rapists do it to get their own rocks off, I'm sure there are some who absolutely get off on the mental anguish they cause and a few extra minutes focusing on 'technique' rather than making the rapist cum first would result in a victim too ashamed of their own slutty bodies to call for help.

 

[VoidExile]

Day 3 of playing this game. Character count in spoiler: 7020. Tomorrow is gonna be another happy event... fml.

Spoiler: Day 36-52, some reactions, thoughts and questions

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Gonna do something a little different from now on. I will now be posting my updated tierlist. It includes the basics likes if I've seen them, if I've spoken to them, what I liked, noticed or dislike about them and the further up the list they are, the more I like them as a character and looks combined. If I find myself wanting to see more of them for whatever reason they will be higher up, simple right?

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[shmurfer]

*grumbles* mc still doesn't know his age and it's been like a freaking month and a half soon since he arrived here. I would have known my age day ONE of being in a new body. I say, failed writing, but you may disagree.

You could still criticize this as failed writing, but you are a competent adult. Sensei would literally starve without Ami.

I'm trying to figure out if there is a pattern to the static. I feel like there is but... what?

Pattern Recognition is a good habit to build. Recent updates had had people going back through all of the content looking for certain words to get a timeline of when they were used. Maybe you can find stuff that other people have missed because they haven't been prompted to.

Am I weird for thinking Ayane is a keeper? Someone out there is probably saying "he has no idea..." or "clueless". That remains to be seen.

Nah a quarter of the people here would call you based.


At the rate you're going I think you're two sessions away from something I really want to see your reaction to. Please keep going with the tier list.

 

[John E. Ringo]

With all the replaying going on, I began working on a save from the end of v30 so I could go through the Amy Happy Event. I found something that appears to be foreshadowing that I am not sure anyone picked up (did a thread search and came up empty).

The first v32 character event I played was Io's Tennis Ball, where Akira spends most of the event in the water at the bath house, trying to coax Io into the bath with him before she has to leave to help a customer. Sekai appears, Akira almost drowns, Io saves him and drags him up to her room.

After he regains consciousness, this is his internal monologue...

Spoiler: Tennis Ball

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[shmurfer]

Didn't notice it before but it jumped out at me this time, Akira sick to his stomach for what he has been trying to do to Io, well before Io's Stomachache event.

Nothing brilliant or lore-busting, but surprised I didn't pick up on it before nor did I see any other mentions of this during a couple thread searches.

It's nice to have an extra thing to point to, but Akira knowing he hates his urges is par for the course. Between Stomachache and the choice in failsafe being wizard related, and not advancing on Yumi despite her being ready for an abusive relationship if he wanted to grasp it, we know he's aware of how bad some of his choices are, but he still makes them anyway.

 

[PrincessEuphy]

I mean we're all reading the same sad story so, i wonder what that might tell about us.
That said, i always try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Or to put it in other words, i "try" to not judge people by just a couple of posts, or by just a couple of misfired posts, if you know what i mean. Everyone can have a bad day or two.

He'd be the first on my ingo (igno) here, and i'm a bit undecided.
Some people here seem to read the intirety of his posts, and i wonder why.

That's very generous of you. I've been trying to raise the quality of my posts precisely to win over kind folks such as yourself and rebuild my shattered reputation in my home-away-from-home here. It doesn't seem to be working so well though... the Ignore wall is a harsh one, and those who choose to shelter themselves so are certainly beyond the reach of frail hands such as these. But putting them aside I am at a loss. Although aiming for smaller, snippy posts would certainly have a greater response in the divine social media algorithm, those are the kind of posts I could make on another account. When it comes to this being I need to speak with its particular purpose and thus speak at length. A lot of words means I have a lot to say on the matter, but it seems length is consistently rejected... I don't understand accusations of pretention because I don't know what that means. To attempt to affect greater importance than I have is beyond me when I am uncertain of any importance of my own. What am I to do? I am sad and lost, but cannot bring myself to silence the voice dictating what to write. In the end, I may end up having to scream into the void, for ten-odd years, waiting for someone who will listen without hiding awkwardly within the crowd. I've spent enough time talking to plants already, but I can do more. Perhaps a tl;dr will help after all though I don't like them too much myself since numerical scores and summaries tend to draw engagement from those who skip the rest to read the conclusion despite the elaboration being more important than the conclusion, like showing your work on a math problem...

tl;dr: Let no bell toll!--lest her sweet soul, amid its hallowed mirth, / Should catch the note, as it doth float up from the damnéd Earth. / To friends above, from fiends below, the indignant ghost is riven-- / From Hell unto a high estate far up within the Heaven-- / From grief and groan, to a golden throne, beside the King of Heaven.

 

[Moonflare]

It's nice to have an extra thing to point to, but Akira knowing he hates his urges is par for the course. Between Stomachache and the choice in failsafe being wizard related, and not advancing on Yumi despite her being ready for an abusive relationship if he wanted to grasp it, we know he's aware of how bad some of his choices are, but he still makes them anyway.

I have said this before but Akira can't do anything before he figures out his deal with Sekai. I had a girlfriend explain this to me once, that some people are so lost in their own hell that all they can do is bring others into hell as well (often not even aware that they're doing it).

Regardless if that is true or not, Akira is still trapped in his relationship with Sekai. He doesn't want to have children, he doesn't want to get married, he doesn't want to have a life, he doesn't want to live because there's no real Akira here - Akira is still in that moment of seeing the car tumbling around. He never left.

So that's the big issue. He can still act on instinct (lust), and recognize that some things are wrong (often things that were done to him aka things against one's will). But that's the measure of it, as a shadow there's not much that he can do, especially changing.

In fact, I think the Akira that ended up marrying Sekai didn't solve his issues either. But that's a hunch, there's not enough to go around. It's just a feeling I have.

Now, what's interesting to me, that's also been talked about before is that he mainly deals with these issues on the green path. "Stomachache" and the one event with him showering Chinami (in which she straight up addresses his pedophilia so well that many think that was Himawari). Will that eventually make a difference as to Akira's end between green and red path? It remains to be seen.

 

[shmurfer]

(in which she straight up addresses his pedophilia so well that many think that was Himawari).

Himawari appearing as a naked child in a bath being the better option is so weird.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Yeah, as I said, I'm too lazy and wasn't going to look up for it. Next time I'll make sure to have it at hand (obvious lie).

My actual tierlist:

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Karin as a wife is actually the best option. Change my mind

 

[Bingoogus]

Himawari appearing as a naked child in a bath being the better option is so weird.

Weird... funny, but definitely weird... and i kinda don't like it for her, it undermines her characterization, Chinami is pretty damn smart, very observant and good at poking at things until they reveal themselves... that scene was very her, we know she only speaks in 3rd person for Chika's benefit, she just wants to understand the problem that caused the fight so she can help her sister, figuring out Akira is a pedo was a side product of that. If it was just Himawari... wtf was the point of any of that?

 

[Riolol]

Karin as a wife is actually the best option. Change my mind

It would be great until you nut then you will just be bored until you are horny again.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

It would be great until you nut then you will just be bored until you are horny again.

We have different sense of boredom, I guess.
I enjoy simple things, and Karin is a simple girl. So I enjoy her society. She's wonderful girl.