I'll also add -- Rin went from pining for Chika to absolutely fixated on Otoha in the span of about 3 chords. Otoha is right to be worried about being a rebound, because that's a VERY whip-lashy bounce.
Indeed, it was most definitely a move of desperation.
I think my biggest problem with the update was how whiplashy Rin was, and how out of character she was, without any deviations in between. She went from 10 to 0 in an instant. Even in Denpa games, there's a buildup to that extremely erratic character break. Sayori, who starts out just late, needing to bum for food, to completely disregarding her appearance because she can't even sleep dealing with her own mental illness. Even in Denpa games, there's a sequence. To completely sequence break them is completely out of character for the genre itself. Kinda like what happened with Osako. There was nothing to lead to those events. It was erratic and contrived like I said. Even for the denpa formula, it was jarring.
There was buildup, she went for one girl, she got rejected, she became super depressed, again, and then she saw Otoha as a replacement target. This was not the same as what happened to get her fixated on Chika, she's now desperate to get rid of the feelings that got shot down once before by replacing them with new ones and she latched onto Otoha out of that desperation.
I know you're a superfan of sorts, but I'd still rather Sel's input on this
I am in no way a superfan, I only get called one because I have yet to say anything bad, but that's entirely because I have yet to see anything that needs to be brought up because it was bad. I would have chimed in against the update myself if there was actually anything of concern, I am absolutely not afraid to tell Selebus he did something wrong.
As for getting his direct input, good luck, he tends to only come in on extremely rare occasions in an attempt to distance himself from F95 entirely because of the piracy thing, so you're not likely to get that input from him.
Yeah, I understand you, dude, and I'm a little concerned myself. But I still think that with Rin there were some more subtle clues, which we may not have picked on the first sight. People in this thread already pointed some out. As for Osako, that's harder to justify, but I think it'll be explained in the next updates (but in my opinion too that wasn't a very good decision)
Anyway, we can't look into Selebus's head, so we can't be sure if it was a misstep or part of greater plan, like, I dunno, making the pace intentionally erratic to emphasize the decay of the world.
So far Selebus hasn't betrayed my expectations and I want to hope and believe that he knows what he's doing.
That's exactly what I'm thinking, that rejection seems to have done more harm than we thought and some of us already thought it did a lot. She's now desperate to be loved and that latched her onto Otoha more than it did Chika since that was a normal crush. Then Molly comes in at the absolute worst possible time and Rin snaps at her.
I would say it was probably part of a greater plan, we have already seen signs of the world beginning to crumble with "Bluejay" and similar.
Is this in reference to
Wakana's only been telegraphing that since her first appearance.
Indeed, some of us apparently just didn't notice the signs, which to be fair aren't that easy to pick up on, that's why most attempts in real life that are actually carried out make it to being carried out before someone can intervene, because nobody notices that the person is that far gone until they are either dead or have attempted to become that way and failed.
Yep, there was just no direct premise for it in recent events, at least I haven't noticed one. That's why it was a little strange and out of place for me.
That's just it, you didn't notice, most people probably didn't, which is understandable since people who intend to go through with something like this don't necessarily telegraph it in a way everyone will notice.
I would agree with this, she sees Rin is desperate, she sees Rin isn't likely to focus only on her. That's one reason why she gets weirded out at first. She's definitely doing this as a preventative measure, not out of actual feelings for Rin. To be honest, I would do the same if only as a stop gap measure to keep the person from doing harm to themselves or others while I try to find her help.
Indeed, the writing wasn't exactly on the wall, but there were signs. I mean, come on, jello stew is an instant red flag to me, but may just be a symptom of a lack of cooking skill to other people.
Yeah, I read that earlier and I agree with your words, that's why I said that "I" didn't notice. I'm not the most observant person, and two weeks/months gap is enough for me to forget some details.
All I want to say, is that it's too early to jump to conclusions and say "bad writing", "genius planning" etc. after one or two "controversial" updates. We don't have the full picture to judge, future updates will show us who was right.
To be fair, not many do or they do notice and attribute it to another thing entirely.
Rin behaving as she did was not out of character at all. With how hard she was pining for Otoha and how much she was concentrating on a confession, all exacerbated by her mental issues, she probably quite literally doesn't have the mental wherewithal to pay attention to anything other than that. Also, suffering from something in the past doesn't actually mean you'll automatically be super-empathetic to people suffering from the same thing now. So yeah, Rin was fairly shitty to Molly in this update and in a few before it, that doesn't mean that her character was ruined, it just means she is a flawed human being who can hurt others, even if not on purpose.
Exactly, her mind is already stretched thin dealing with her attempt to get rid of lingering feelings for Chika, her second confession, brooding over what could happen if she fails again, stuff like that. Not to defend Rin, that was absolutely a shitty move and I find myself disappointed, not in Selebus, but in Rin herself for acting this way, but Molly chose the absolute worst possible moment to come in with that. Her timing definitely contributed to the reaction she got from Rin, but Rin still went way too far. Still, I can't say I'm to the point I was with player Sensei doing what he did with Miku, I was absolutely furious at him doing that, but I can't say the same this time about Rin. She made a mistake and she'll live to regret it later.
That was totally in character for Rin man... she always comes off as adhd with a mix of mild bipolar which is very whiplashy. extreme highs and extreme lows with no real inbetween for bipolar, poor judgement and impulsive actions being common for those with adhd.
I'm not too sure about being bipolar, but depression DOES have angry outbursts and irritability listed as symptoms that can trigger even over small things. This is and always has been a possibility with Rin and we are just now seeing that possibility happen.
Also, the medical room had like a dozen pill bottles marked "Watabe". That certainly seems like a sign of substance abuse.
Edit: Okay, now that I check it, it wasn't actually "like a dozen", it was three (out of five present), my bad. But that still seems like a lot. so the point stands.
Meanwhile, some of us are thinking "only 3, seems like it should be more"
3 Maintenance meds is not a lot, at all. Especially if someone is nurodivergent. Hell, at one point in my life I was up to 8.
I have more than that, all prescribed, though none for anything she might need to treat.
Being rejected by Otoha might have ended in a similar fashion to Osako x Wakana, just saying. That girl was at extreme levels of desperation with having been rejected once already by Chika and her depression doesn't help, especially with it having led to a history of self harm.
yes but now we have a molly consolation prize I guess.
ANYWAY
lets talk about the real issues here people
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did selebus do this on purpose because miku is self conscious about her thighs and doesn't want sensei looking at them anymore so he would look at makoto more?
Probably more of a 'Koikatsu is very limited' thing than anything else. I see similarities, but look at her thighs just below the bottom orange stripe on her jacket, your picture doesn't have side pockets, but her pants do.
Give it time. This isn't gonna be a happy ending for Rin.
HOPEfully, this girl needs all the help she can get. I just hope she doesn't fall to the Denpa genre DDLC style before then.
soooo....
why does nodoka have to figure out what kind of familial relationship kirin and sensei have for her short stories when kirin already calls him daddy
LMAO
Because she's weird like that, remember, this is the girl who came into the game with haikus left and right to Wakana's chagrin, mostly of a sexually explicit nature.